Science Doesn't Work

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Fair enough...

Here is what I am talking about: Brainwave entrainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brainwave entrainment is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state (for example, to induce sleep), usually attempted with the use of specialized software. It purportedly depends upon a "frequency following" response on the assumption that the human brain has a tendency to change its dominant EEG frequency towards the frequency of a dominant external stimulus.[citation needed] Such a stimulus is often aural, as in the case of binaural or monaural beats and isochronic tones, or else photic (visual), as with a dreamachine, a combination of the two with a mind machine, or even electromagnetic radiation.

Hemispheric synchronization, a potential and generally desired result of brainwave entrainment, refers to a state when the brainwave pattern of the right and left hemispheres become alike. A person with similar activity in both hemispheres is alleged (typically by companies trying to sell a product) to be happier, more optimistic, more emotionally stable and less prone to mental illness. Increased levels of synchronization are found naturally in people who meditate regularly and people who are very content with their lives in general.[1]

There have been numerous peer-reviewed studies relating to the frequency following response (FFR) within the brain as related to brainwave entrainment. Many tests have been performed on the effects of brainwave entrainment,[2][unreliable source?] however there does need to be more research performed before the absolute efficacy of brainwave entrainment as a therapeutic tool can be determined.

Entrainment (physics): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(physics)

Entrainment has been used to refer to the process of mode locking of coupled driven oscillators, which is the process whereby two interacting oscillating systems, which have different periods when they function independently, assume a common period. The two oscillators may fall into synchrony, but other phase relationships are also possible. The system with the greater frequency slows down, and the other speeds up.

Schumann resonances: Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth's surface and the ionosphere.

This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonances occur because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning. Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental


Brain Waves And States of The Mind

Our brain has a unique set of brain waves.

In neuroscience, there are five distinct brain wave frequencies, namely Beta, Alpha, Theta, Delta and the lesser known Gamma.

Learning mind control at the deeper states of consciousness opens you up to the world of your subconscious mind where you can create your reality at will and with exact precision.

Each frequency, measured in cycles per second (Hz), has its own set of characteristics representing a specific level of brain activity and hence a unique state of consciousness.


1. Beta (14-40Hz): Beta brain waves are associated with normal waking consciousness and a heightened state of alertness, logic and critical reasoning. As you go about your daily activities you are at Beta. Although important for effectively functioning in everyday life, higher Beta levels translate into stress, anxiety and restlessness. With the majority of adults primarily operating at Beta during their waking hours it is little wonder that stress is today's most common health problem.


The voice of Beta is the little nagging chatterbox of your inner critic, which becomes louder and more relentless the higher you go in the range.


2. Alpha (7.5-14Hz): Alpha brain waves are present in deep relaxation with the eyes usually closed and while day-dreaming. The relaxed detached awareness achieved during light meditation is characteristic of Alpha and is optimal for programming your mind for success. Alpha heightens your imagination, visualization, memory, learning and concentration. It lies at the base of your conscious awareness and is the gateway to your subconscious mind. The renowned Silva Method by Jose Silva is premised on the power of Alpha.


The voice of Alpha is your intuition, which becomes clearer and more profound the closer you get to 7.5Hz.


3. Theta (4-7.5Hz): Theta brain waves are present during deep meditation and light sleep, including the REM dream state. Theta is the realm of your subconscious mind. It is also known as the twilight state as it is normally only momentarily experienced as you drift off to sleep (from Alpha) and arise from deep sleep (from Delta). A sense of deep spiritual connection and oneness with the Universe can be experienced at Theta. Vivid visualizations, great inspiration, profound creativity, exceptional insight as well as your mind's most deep-seated programs are all at Theta.


The Alpha-Theta border, from 7 to 8Hz, is the optimal range for visualization, mind programming and using the creative power of your mind. It is the mental state at which you consciously create your reality. At this frequency of mind control you are conscious of your surroundings but your body is in deep relaxation. To learn how to access this level of mind at will you must first learn how to relax.

The voice of Theta is silence.






The first major entrainment level larger than the chatter of the ego is the 7.8ish Schumann resonant peak of the entire earth. When our brain wave frequency slows down/enlarges, it then becomes the same wave as the earth's main body of resonance. Information can then transfer in both directions. Sympathetic resonance between similar structures. Your structure is your EM field.


It's like there is a constant background harmonic information signal but most people's satellite dishes are too small to receive it. Sitting still, slowing down, lengthening in frequency and perceiving with the mind and the heart together is required to participate. You are then able to upload and download information from the planetary mind.

Like the planet to large is tuned to "E" and is the large string with various harmonic frequencies traveling along the carrier wave of "E". We are like a small "E" string only many people are E sharps or even F's! This is a result of the high frequency infotainment "culture" we find ourselves in.






To sum it all up: Fast from the world and pray....and listen...and commune. The Kingdom of heaven is within and all around you, and invisible, and very quite.

The sampler taste experience of this entrainment phenomenon is how good you feel once you finally get out in the woods and mountains on a day hike.

It is the song of Life. Entrainment is taking the time and space to listen and hear....then you can sing along in harmony.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here is what I am talking about: Brainwave entrainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brainwave entrainment is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state (for example, to induce sleep), usually attempted with the use of specialized software. It purportedly depends upon a "frequency following" response on the assumption that the human brain has a tendency to change its dominant EEG frequency towards the frequency of a dominant external stimulus.[citation needed] Such a stimulus is often aural, as in the case of binaural or monaural beats and isochronic tones, or else photic (visual), as with a dreamachine, a combination of the two with a mind machine, or even electromagnetic radiation.

Hemispheric synchronization, a potential and generally desired result of brainwave entrainment, refers to a state when the brainwave pattern of the right and left hemispheres become alike. A person with similar activity in both hemispheres is alleged (typically by companies trying to sell a product) to be happier, more optimistic, more emotionally stable and less prone to mental illness. Increased levels of synchronization are found naturally in people who meditate regularly and people who are very content with their lives in general.[1]

There have been numerous peer-reviewed studies relating to the frequency following response (FFR) within the brain as related to brainwave entrainment. Many tests have been performed on the effects of brainwave entrainment,[2][unreliable source?] however there does need to be more research performed before the absolute efficacy of brainwave entrainment as a therapeutic tool can be determined.

Entrainment (physics): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(physics)

Entrainment has been used to refer to the process of mode locking of coupled driven oscillators, which is the process whereby two interacting oscillating systems, which have different periods when they function independently, assume a common period. The two oscillators may fall into synchrony, but other phase relationships are also possible. The system with the greater frequency slows down, and the other speeds up.

Schumann resonances: Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth's surface and the ionosphere.

This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonances occur because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning. Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental


Brain Waves And States of The Mind

Our brain has a unique set of brain waves.

In neuroscience, there are five distinct brain wave frequencies, namely Beta, Alpha, Theta, Delta and the lesser known Gamma.

Learning mind control at the deeper states of consciousness opens you up to the world of your subconscious mind where you can create your reality at will and with exact precision.

Each frequency, measured in cycles per second (Hz), has its own set of characteristics representing a specific level of brain activity and hence a unique state of consciousness.


1. Beta (14-40Hz): Beta brain waves are associated with normal waking consciousness and a heightened state of alertness, logic and critical reasoning. As you go about your daily activities you are at Beta. Although important for effectively functioning in everyday life, higher Beta levels translate into stress, anxiety and restlessness. With the majority of adults primarily operating at Beta during their waking hours it is little wonder that stress is today's most common health problem.


The voice of Beta is the little nagging chatterbox of your inner critic, which becomes louder and more relentless the higher you go in the range.


2. Alpha (7.5-14Hz): Alpha brain waves are present in deep relaxation with the eyes usually closed and while day-dreaming. The relaxed detached awareness achieved during light meditation is characteristic of Alpha and is optimal for programming your mind for success. Alpha heightens your imagination, visualization, memory, learning and concentration. It lies at the base of your conscious awareness and is the gateway to your subconscious mind. The renowned Silva Method by Jose Silva is premised on the power of Alpha.


The voice of Alpha is your intuition, which becomes clearer and more profound the closer you get to 7.5Hz.


3. Theta (4-7.5Hz): Theta brain waves are present during deep meditation and light sleep, including the REM dream state. Theta is the realm of your subconscious mind. It is also known as the twilight state as it is normally only momentarily experienced as you drift off to sleep (from Alpha) and arise from deep sleep (from Delta). A sense of deep spiritual connection and oneness with the Universe can be experienced at Theta. Vivid visualizations, great inspiration, profound creativity, exceptional insight as well as your mind's most deep-seated programs are all at Theta.


The Alpha-Theta border, from 7 to 8Hz, is the optimal range for visualization, mind programming and using the creative power of your mind. It is the mental state at which you consciously create your reality. At this frequency of mind control you are conscious of your surroundings but your body is in deep relaxation. To learn how to access this level of mind at will you must first learn how to relax.

The voice of Theta is silence.






The first major entrainment level larger than the chatter of the ego is the 7.8ish Schumann resonant peak of the entire earth. When our brain wave frequency slows down/enlarges, it then becomes the same wave as the earth's main body of resonance. Information can then transfer in both directions. Sympathetic resonance between similar structures. Your structure is your EM field.


It's like there is a constant background harmonic information signal but most people's satellite dishes are too small to receive it. Sitting still, slowing down, lengthening in frequency and perceiving with the mind and the heart together is required to participate. You are then able to upload and download information from the planetary mind.

Like the planet to large is tuned to "E" and is the large string with various harmonic frequencies traveling along the carrier wave of "E". We are like a small "E" string only many people are E sharps or even F's! This is a result of the high frequency infotainment "culture" we find ourselves in.






To sum it all up: Fast from the world and pray....and listen...and commune. The Kingdom of heaven is within and all around you, and invisible, and very quite.

The sampler taste experience of this entrainment phenomenon is how good you feel once you finally get out in the woods and mountains on a day hike.

It is the song of Life. Entrainment is taking the time and space to listen and hear....then you can sing along in harmony.

Here's an interesting sentence...

"Learning mind control at the deeper states of consciousness opens you up to the world of your subconscious mind where you can create your reality at will and with exact precision."

I'm curious how you think you can be aware of your subconscious mind and....supposing that you were....how you would tell it apart from your conscious mind?

Also...to what extent have you tried altering your own brain chemistry? You need not go into any great detail...you could say, "a little bit" or "dangerously".

 

[KCfromNC]

Oh, you, you, you, and you. (Is that what you were looking for?)

Actually, there's no relevance here. I see it. You see it with other applications.

Maybe in some fields of theology this sort of diversion would be convincing, but I doubt it would fly at a scientific conference. Just more examples of the vast differences between the two approaches.

 

[GforPerplexed]

I thought it was an excellent piece of information from Usus Vox Tractus right up until the "To sum it all up:" point.

Also...to what extent have you tried altering your own brain chemistry? You need not go into any great detail...you could say, "a little bit" or "dangerously".

Thoroughly.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Here's an interesting sentence...

"Learning mind control at the deeper states of consciousness opens you up to the world of your subconscious mind where you can create your reality at will and with exact precision."

I'm curious how you think you can be aware of your subconscious mind and....supposing that you were....how you would tell it apart from your conscious mind?

Also...to what extent have you tried altering your own brain chemistry? You need not go into any great detail...you could say, "a little bit" or "dangerously".

I'm not a "create you own reality" subscriber. But I do create and tend my own relationship to it.

I understand the subconscious as an information accumulation of "earth and water" meaning bodily changes and emotional storage. My subconscious I can feel when I am paying attention. Conscious I understand as "air and fire", the airy space and ephemeral winds of thought and the concentrated motive power of will.

Subconscious information is received, conscious information is generated. I know the difference by knowing what I am doing at the time I am doing it.

If you are referring to LSD, a few mild trips 18 years ago. I've had maybe 4 very mild mushroom evenings since then. Nothing mind launching. My hallucinogenic drug experience is barely a 2 on a scale from 1-10.



In fact the fastest I ever got into a fully entrained state was after about an hour of free form kung fu and power breathing. I had gathered enough chi and popped into a full astral state in about 10 seconds after laying down.

In that state the visible/material world is much more pliable and interactive. There I have asked parts of my subcon to come up to be dealt with.

For instance: Another time getting into the astral state (full entrainment with earth) I decided to "go to the temple and repent". I was feeling shame and remorse for a number of past actions done in haste and ignorance. So in the astral state and by my intention to "go to the temple" I traveled out into some woods and there appears an old rocky temple.

I enter the temple and the back wall is covered in newspaper clippings stories about me and the people I have affected. I kneel in front of this wall and read and wept and acknowledged it all. Then a great wind blew through the temple and the pieces of paper flew off the wall, turned into a flock of birds and flew away. Where there use to be old dirty news paper stories was now a white blank wall.

I felt the energetic release quit distinctly and woke up in tears of joy. My heart was no longer clenched and burdened.


I use it as a space for the con and subcon to have dialogue and resolution. A way to harmonically collapse over accumulated energies within me.

There are many other uses too.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I thought it was an excellent piece of information from Usus Vox Tractus right up until the "To sum it all up:" point.



Thoroughly.

Really? I thought I fit like a glove!

What specifically do you take issue with?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not a "create you own reality" subscriber. But I do create and tend my own relationship to it.

I understand the subconscious as an information accumulation of "earth and water" meaning bodily changes and emotional storage. My subconscious I can feel when I am paying attention. Conscious I understand as "air and fire", the airy space and ephemeral winds of thought and the concentrated motive power of will.

Subconscious information is received, conscious information is generated. I know the difference by knowing what I am doing at the time I am doing it.

If you are referring to LSD, a few mild trips 18 years ago. I've had maybe 4 very mild mushroom evenings since then. Nothing mind launching. My hallucinogenic drug experience is barely a 2 on a scale from 1-10.



In fact the fastest I ever got into a fully entrained state was after about an hour of free form kung fu and power breathing. I had gathered enough chi and popped into a full astral state in about 10 seconds after laying down.

In that state the visible/material world is much more pliable and interactive. There I have asked parts of my subcon to come up to be dealt with.

For instance: Another time getting into the astral state (full entrainment with earth) I decided to "go to the temple and repent". I was feeling shame and remorse for a number of past actions done in haste and ignorance. So in the astral state and by my intention to "go to the temple" I traveled out into some woods and there appears an old rocky temple.

I enter the temple and the back wall is covered in newspaper clippings stories about me and the people I have affected. I kneel in front of this wall and read and wept and acknowledged it all. Then a great wind blew through the temple and the pieces of paper flew off the wall, turned into a flock of birds and flew away. Where there use to be old dirty news paper stories was now a white blank wall.

I felt the energetic release quit distinctly and woke up in tears of joy. My heart was no longer clenched and burdened.


I use it as a space for the con and subcon to have dialogue and resolution. A way to harmonically collapse over accumulated energies within me.

There are many other uses too.

It's not really important "what" you did and or how often you did it. The important thing is that you did something that altered your emotions/perceptions....even if only a tiny bit.

Realizing that such things can be done chemically... without any appeal to some outside supernatural force....why would you think any change in your emotional/perceptual state is from anything other than the chemicals in your own body? For example...this feeling you described here from "gathering chi" doesn't seem much different than maybe a runners' high. Couldn't all just be chemical and in your head and nothing else?

 

[Received]

Maybe in some fields of theology this sort of diversion would be convincing, but I doubt it would fly at a scientific conference. Just more examples of the vast differences between the two approaches.

That's because at scientific conferences you tend to have people who are simultaneously scientific geniuses and philosophical idiots.

 

[Received]

I'm not sure that all reasoning is necessarily biased. And even slightly biased thinking can be at least less biased than that of others.

Well, I'm not talking specifically about reasoning, but making choices based on reasoning. Those are biased things, given that we exclude all other options.

True... I think I considered theism reasonably, and figured out that's there's no justifying evidence for it.

I think if you were lucky enough to be exposed to the guys I read, you probably would have remained a theist. Just like I would likely be an atheist if it wasn't for these guys.

Fair enough. Don't you wonder about stuff like that though? If it doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps it makes no sense at all... because there is no God.

That's like saying, "because I don't know how the cosmic toaster works, it must not exist at all." And I do wonder, for sure. I can even pinpoint a few necessary variables for any metaphysical discussion. But in proportion to how much I delve into metaphysical problems on a huge scale, the more variables come into play, and I can barely walk and chew gum simultaneously.

No... I care about the truth.

You seem to care about falsifiable truth. When truth isn't falsifiable, you can't really know in a firm way if it is in fact true; you lean more and more on your intuition. And when you're at this point, truth basically becomes theoretical: whatever can tie together the most in a most consistent and neat way wins. IMO.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

It's not really important "what" you did and or how often you did it. The important thing is that you did something that altered your emotions/perceptions....even if only a tiny bit.

Realizing that such things can be done chemically... without any appeal to some outside supernatural force....why would you think any change in your emotional/perceptual state is from anything other than the chemicals in your own body? For example...this feeling you described here from "gathering chi" doesn't seem much different than maybe a runners' high. Couldn't all just be chemical and in your head and nothing else?

I did it electromagnetically with my will and body. The body to produced the necessary chemicals to support whole brain entrainment with the larger wavelengths of energy and information we are constantly awash in.

I am not appealing to any "supernatural forces". Everything I am describing is the natural energetic environment we are submerged in and how information is shared across similar wave lengths at octave scales.

Do the laws of physics stop at our skins, our the "borders" of our minds?

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Theology does have an epistemology.

You're welcome to be the first person in history to actually provide one. Outline the means and methodology by which theological truth is gleaned and demonstrate its effectiveness.

Complete your analogy. What are the theological analogs to hypotheses, theoretical models, experimentation, falsifiability, data corroboration, peer review, etc., and what information have they gleaned?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I did it electromagnetically with my will and body. The body to produced the necessary chemicals to support whole brain entrainment with the larger wavelengths of energy and information we are constantly awash in.

I am not appealing to any "supernatural forces". Everything I am describing is the natural energetic environment we are submerged in and how information is shared across similar wave lengths at octave scales.

Do the laws of physics stop at our skins, our the "borders" of our minds?

To some degree, yes. As far as I know, an M R I doesn't alter perceptions in the least. Thousands of brains have been subjected to "electromagnetic" fields without incident.

Is your claim that you can create a perception-altering field from electromagnetic forces that's stronger than an M R I?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

To some degree, yes. As far as I know, an M R I doesn't alter perceptions in the least. Thousands of brains have been subjected to "electromagnetic" fields without incident.

Is your claim that you can create a perception-altering field from electromagnetic forces that's stronger than an M R I?

God helmet: God helmet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The "God Helmet" refers to an experimental apparatus originally called the "Koren helmet" after its inventor Stanley Koren. It was developed by Koren and neuroscientist Michael Persinger to study creativity and the effects of subtle stimulation of the temporal lobes.[1] Reports by participants of a "sensed presence" while wearing the God helmet brought public attention and resulted in several TV documentaries.[2] The device has been used in Persinger's research in the field of neurotheology, the study of the neural correlates of religion and spirituality. The apparatus, placed on the head of an experimental subject, generates very weak fluctuating magnetic fields, that Persinger refers to as "complex." These fields are approximately as strong as those generated by a land line telephone handset or an ordinary hair dryer, but far weaker than that of an ordinary refrigerator magnet and approximately a million times weaker than transcranial magnetic stimulation.[3]

Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet.



I can create a reception increasing nested field using a magnetic device over 5000 times stronger than my brain. My heart.



Technology of the Heart: Heart is the strongest generator of both electrical and magnetic fields
HEART IS THE STRONGEST ELECTRO-MAGNETIC FIELD GENERATOR IN THE BODY


The human Heart is now documented as the strongest generator of both electrical and magnetic fields in the body.

Important, because we've always been taught that the brain is where all of the action is. While the brain does have an electrical & a magnetic field, they are both relatively weak compared to the Heart. The Heart is about 100,000 times stronger electrically & up to 5,000 times stronger magnetically than the brain. Important, because the physical world - as we know it - is made of those 2 fields: electrical & magnetic fields of Energy.

Physics now tells us that if we can change either the magnetic field or the electrical field of the atom, we literally change that atom and its elements within our body and this world. The human Heart is designed to do BOTH.

~ David Math

 

[Ana the Ist]

God helmet: God helmet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The "God Helmet" refers to an experimental apparatus originally called the "Koren helmet" after its inventor Stanley Koren. It was developed by Koren and neuroscientist Michael Persinger to study creativity and the effects of subtle stimulation of the temporal lobes.[1] Reports by participants of a "sensed presence" while wearing the God helmet brought public attention and resulted in several TV documentaries.[2] The device has been used in Persinger's research in the field of neurotheology, the study of the neural correlates of religion and spirituality. The apparatus, placed on the head of an experimental subject, generates very weak fluctuating magnetic fields, that Persinger refers to as "complex." These fields are approximately as strong as those generated by a land line telephone handset or an ordinary hair dryer, but far weaker than that of an ordinary refrigerator magnet and approximately a million times weaker than transcranial magnetic stimulation.[3]

Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet.



I can create a reception increasing nested field using a magnetic device over 5000 times stronger than my brain. My heart.



Technology of the Heart: Heart is the strongest generator of both electrical and magnetic fields
HEART IS THE STRONGEST ELECTRO-MAGNETIC FIELD GENERATOR IN THE BODY


The human Heart is now documented as the strongest generator of both electrical and magnetic fields in the body.

Important, because we've always been taught that the brain is where all of the action is. While the brain does have an electrical & a magnetic field, they are both relatively weak compared to the Heart. The Heart is about 100,000 times stronger electrically & up to 5,000 times stronger magnetically than the brain. Important, because the physical world - as we know it - is made of those 2 fields: electrical & magnetic fields of Energy.

Physics now tells us that if we can change either the magnetic field or the electrical field of the atom, we literally change that atom and its elements within our body and this world. The human Heart is designed to do BOTH.

~ David Math

I'm not entirely sure why you posted this....

Do you think it confirms what you're saying in earlier statements? If a feeling of being connected to a "presence" can be duplicated by wearing a magnetic helmet, it would seem to me that, at best, spiritual revelation is a cheap and easily replicated feeling.

A helmet makes for a poor god.

Also this.....

http://www.skepdic.com/godhelmet.html

Seems to be a difficult experiment to reproduce. It would seem the subject needs to be aware of what to "expect" which, of course, lends itself to all sorts of purely psychological explanations. It seems others wondered what I did, if such small magnetic force could create such effects...why not something substantially more powerful like an M R I?

At this point your experience seems more imagination than reality.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not entirely sure why you posted this....

Do you think it confirms what you're saying in earlier statements? If a feeling of being connected to a "presence" can be duplicated by wearing a magnetic helmet, it would seem to me that, at best, spiritual revelation is a cheap and easily replicated feeling.

A helmet makes for a poor god.

Precisely.

The dude that did this research, is basically claiming, religious experiences can be duplicated by stimulating parts of the brain, just like emotions can be stimulated by triggering other parts of the brain.

This guys research, also is another means to debunk near death experiences, because the brain tends to have abnormal electrical activity when it is deprived of oxygen.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I'm not entirely sure why you posted this....

Do you think it confirms what you're saying in earlier statements? If a feeling of being connected to a "presence" can be duplicated by wearing a magnetic helmet, it would seem to me that, at best, spiritual revelation is a cheap and easily replicated feeling.

A helmet makes for a poor god.

I proves an external patterned magnetic presence can be felt by the human mind....whether a machine simulates it (like TV simulates a talking person in your home) or whether it is caused by an actual electromagnetic being that is invisible....like the entire magnetic field of the earth.

 

[bhsmte]

I proves an external patterned magnetic presence can be felt by the human mind....whether a machine simulates it (like TV simulates a talking person in your home) or whether it is caused by an actual electromagnetic being that is invisible....like the entire magnetic field of the earth.

If I were you, I would read up a bit more on this guy's research and since he is the neuropsychologist, listen to what he has to say about it.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

If I were you, I would read up a bit more on this guy's research and since he is the neuropsychologist, listen to what he has to say about it.

I will.

Here's what Dr. Perisinger had to say about it all: The God Helmet - How it works.

The God Helmet is a popular name given to a laboratory apparatus originally called the "Koren Helmet", after Stanley Koren of Laurentian University's Neuroscience Department, who built it according to specifications provided by Dr. M.A. Persinger, it's director.

The attribution towards along a devil to angel continuum appears strongly related to the affect (pleasant-terror) associated with the experience. I suspect most people would call the "vague, all-around-me" sensations "God" but they are reluctant to employ the label in a laboratory. The implicit is obvious. If the equipment and the experiment produced the presence that was God, then the extrapersonal, unreachable and independent characteristics of the god definition might be challenged."

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Also from that link,

The God Helmet is a misleading name. It gives the impression that it can produce the experience of God on demand. In fact, only one percent of the subjects had the experience. In contrast to the one percent who saw God, 80% of the subjects felt a presence of some kind, but did not call it God. Of course, there were probably some subjects who experienced an appearance of God, but were shy about saying they had seen God in a laboratory. That kind of thing is not only intensely personal, but can also get you ridiculed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Also from that link,

The God Helmet is a misleading name. It gives the impression that it can produce the experience of God on demand. In fact, only one percent of the subjects had the experience. In contrast to the one percent who saw God, 80% of the subjects felt a presence of some kind, but did not call it God. Of course, there were probably some subjects who experienced an appearance of God, but were shy about saying they had seen God in a laboratory. That kind of thing is not only intensely personal, but can also get you ridiculed.

Sorry, I edited my earlier reply after you already responded. Again...

the god helmet - The Skeptic's Dictionary

From that link...

"In contrast to the results from Persinger and others, the team found that the magnetism had no discernible effects. Two out of the three participants in the Swedish study that reported strong spiritual experiences during the study belonged to the control group, as did 11 out of the 22 who reported subtle experiences.

Granqvist acknowledges that this seems to be quite a high level of spiritual experiences overall, but says that it matches the level that Persinger saw in his control groups.

The researchers say they do not know what neurological mechanism could be generating the experiences. However, using personality tests they did find that people with an orientation toward unorthodox spirituality were more likely to feel a supernatural presence, as were those who were, in general, more suggestible."