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And your point is?
Right. More like metamorphosis.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
YOu have still not proved that Gods wrath on unbelievers is corrective, especially in light of the fact that believers were selected at the beginning of the world!
The bible shows God often and intentionally afflicts humans! Often the nation of Israel was sent into captivity and cruel punishment by God! Starvation, deprivation, torture and death and enslavement!
And if you are implying that aionion life is a quality of life- that is simply a lie created by UR people with either ignorance of the word or intentional deception to fool those who have not studied Greek.
Once again the 2nd person pronoun addressing the Church at Corinth. Paul also wrote the following to the Corinthians.2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
What are the promises?
Once again the 2nd person pronoun addressing the Church at Corinth. Paul also wrote the following to the Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
What are the promises?
Wrong, see above, plural promises not one single promise.Irrelevant. The point of me quoting that passage was to show that the promise of salvation and the process of purification are mutually exclusive.
2 Corinthians 6:16-18What promises "these promises," plural, something near not distant. See vss. 17-18, 6 promises.
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for [1] ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,[2] I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and [3] I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and [4] I will receive you,
18 And [5] will be a Father unto you, and [6] ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 7:1
1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Wrong, see above, plural promises not one single promise.
Acts of the apostles 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts of the apostles 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Another makeshift theory is the theory of salvation by INNOCENCE. Most Christians today, including the so-called "Fundamentalists" who claim to believe the whole unadulterated Word of God, believe this lie. They tell us that a baby that dies in infancy, or a small child that dies before reaching the "age of accountability," whatever that is, is alright, automatically covered by the blood of Jesus-SAVED! This evidently becomes a SECOND WAY to salvation, since it is apart from FAITH in Jesus Christ. "Oh," they glibly recite, "the little child is INNOCENT, and therefore free from the guilt of any sin." Is that so! The Scripture says otherwise. "Behold, I was shaped in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Ps. 51:5). In this verse David was not attempting to prove that his mother was having an adulterous affair at the time of his conception, but states the true inner condition of his own nature from his mother's womb. Again, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon ALL MEN, for that ALL HAVE SINNED" (Rom. 5:12). "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). "For God has concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all" (Rom. 11:32).
If even one infant is saved without personally believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, then there IS INDEED A-N-O-T-H-E-R W-A-Y! "He that believes shall be saved" is the unceasing and unalterable testimony of God's Word. Some of the basic ingredients in salvation are repentance, faith, and confession. No infant can do any of these things! "Ah," you say, then you believe that all the little babies that have died are burning in hell!" What I am saying is what the Bible says, that all men are BORN SINNERS, and that faith in Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY OF SALVATION. "As many as RECEIVED HIM, to THEM gave He authority to become the children of God, even to them that BELIEVE on His name" (Jn. 1: 12). The child who dies goes into the loving hands of God who watches over the souls of all men, who is the Saviour of all, and who deals with all out of His heart of infinite love, drawing each in the perfect timing ordained by His wisdom and omniscience. WE CAN TRUST HIM WITH THE FATE AND DESTINY OF OUR LITTLE ONES, for the Judge of all the earth shall DO RIGHT, but He does not cancel His redemptive process for any offspring of Adam, all must come the same route, the infant included.
Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
What I think is interesting about the J. Preston Eby quotation in post#1110 is this.The age of accountability. One day under: bliss. One day over: misery.
Good Old Noli: From the beginning of Adam1 the entire race of mankind has been broken and lost sinners, by heredity, "not by any choice of its own, but by reason of HIM who made it so".
Your grasp = Abba loses nearly all of His creation (minus a few choice believers.)
God is Lord & owner of men.
All men, by right, belong to God.
“Behold, all souls are mine,” says the Lord.
“As the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine.” (Ezek. 18:4).
God will not give up what belongs to him, to the dominion of sin and Satan forever.
All men are God’s by creation; he made them all.
They are his by preservation; he sustains them all.
They were his at first, and they always have remained in his care.
“The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dell therein.” That God, who says to men, “If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel,” can never abandon his own creatures.
He will ever exercise a gracious care over them. -Thomas Whittemore-
The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases: EVER !
Another makeshift theory is the theory of salvation by INNOCENCE. Most Christians today, including the so-called "Fundamentalists" who claim to believe the whole unadulterated Word of God, believe this lie. They tell us that a baby that dies in infancy, or a small child that dies before reaching the "age of accountability," whatever that is, is alright, automatically covered by the blood of Jesus-SAVED! This evidently becomes a SECOND WAY to salvation, since it is apart from FAITH in Jesus Christ. "Oh," they glibly recite, "the little child is INNOCENT, and therefore free from the guilt of any sin." Is that so! The Scripture says otherwise. "Behold, I was shaped in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Ps. 51:5). In this verse David was not attempting to prove that his mother was having an adulterous affair at the time of his conception, but states the true inner condition of his own nature from his mother's womb. Again, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon ALL MEN, for that ALL HAVE SINNED" (Rom. 5:12). "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). "For God has concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all" (Rom. 11:32).
If even one infant is saved without personally believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, then there IS INDEED A-N-O-T-H-E-R W-A-Y! "He that believes shall be saved" is the unceasing and unalterable testimony of God's Word. Some of the basic ingredients in salvation are repentance, faith, and confession. No infant can do any of these things! "Ah," you say, then you believe that all the little babies that have died are burning in hell!" What I am saying is what the Bible says, that all men are BORN SINNERS, and that faith in Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY OF SALVATION. "As many as RECEIVED HIM, to THEM gave He authority to become the children of God, even to them that BELIEVE on His name" (Jn. 1: 12). The child who dies goes into the loving hands of God who watches over the souls of all men, who is the Saviour of all, and who deals with all out of His heart of infinite love, drawing each in the perfect timing ordained by His wisdom and omniscience. WE CAN TRUST HIM WITH THE FATE AND DESTINY OF OUR LITTLE ONES, for the Judge of all the earth shall DO RIGHT, but He does not cancel His redemptive process for any offspring of Adam, all must come the same route, the infant included.
Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
So? Does that mean He is indifferent to human sufferings or cannot sympathize or empathize? Compare:
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin."
Another makeshift theory is the theory of salvation by INNOCENCE. Most Christians today, including the so-called "Fundamentalists" who claim to believe the whole unadulterated Word of God, believe this lie. They tell us that a baby that dies in infancy, or a small child that dies before reaching the "age of accountability," whatever that is, is alright, automatically covered by the blood of Jesus-SAVED! This evidently becomes a SECOND WAY to salvation, since it is apart from FAITH in Jesus Christ. "Oh," they glibly recite, "the little child is INNOCENT, and therefore free from the guilt of any sin." Is that so! The Scripture says otherwise. "Behold, I was shaped in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Ps. 51:5). In this verse David was not attempting to prove that his mother was having an adulterous affair at the time of his conception, but states the true inner condition of his own nature from his mother's womb. Again, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon ALL MEN, for that ALL HAVE SINNED" (Rom. 5:12). "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). "For God has concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all" (Rom. 11:32).
If even one infant is saved without personally believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, then there IS INDEED A-N-O-T-H-E-R W-A-Y! "He that believes shall be saved" is the unceasing and unalterable testimony of God's Word. Some of the basic ingredients in salvation are repentance, faith, and confession. No infant can do any of these things! "Ah," you say, then you believe that all the little babies that have died are burning in hell!" What I am saying is what the Bible says, that all men are BORN SINNERS, and that faith in Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY OF SALVATION. "As many as RECEIVED HIM, to THEM gave He authority to become the children of God, even to them that BELIEVE on His name" (Jn. 1: 12). The child who dies goes into the loving hands of God who watches over the souls of all men, who is the Saviour of all, and who deals with all out of His heart of infinite love, drawing each in the perfect timing ordained by His wisdom and omniscience. WE CAN TRUST HIM WITH THE FATE AND DESTINY OF OUR LITTLE ONES, for the Judge of all the earth shall DO RIGHT, but He does not cancel His redemptive process for any offspring of Adam, all must come the same route, the infant included.
Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
Well given that God does not know the unbeliever- they are "off His scope" so to speak!
What in my post ever gave you that idea?
Though i'm quite sure there are plenty of scholars who would agree that there is a qualitative aspect to "aionion life".
Your other remarks have been answered in my posts already.
The age of accountability. One day under: bliss. One day over: misery.
Children, infants, the mentally handicapped etc?Teh super majority of teh external chruch believes that children are saved by innocence until the "age of accountability"> Even many fundamental churches do as well. But this is an error!
Where did it come from? No less than the Roman church! And it was passed down to nearly all denominations after the reformation except for Calvin. Many sects and indiviuals as time went on and the Bible grew to be held by more and more people found this to be in error.
But as a UR I would think you would be ambivalent about this false doctrine. After all you beleive they will make it no matter what!
You big silly!
1. God is the Creator of all men.
2. God is the Father of all men.
3. God is the Owner of all men.
4. All mankind is committed to Christ's care.
5. God gave all beings to Christ to save them.
6. Jesus Christ will save all given to Him.
7. It is the will of God ALL mankind will be saved.
8. We pray for the salvation of all men.
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