Saved??? From what???

[Setyoufree]

Let's explore what it means "to be saved". In order to be saved you must be delivered from something. What is that something???

In Romans 10:9 Paul states that "If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved"....

Again, saved from what?

 

[Ceridwen]

Believers are saved from the sternness of God, from his act of cutting off the non-believer.

Romans 11:20-22 (New International Version)
Branches were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

 

[bornofGod888]

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." - Matthew 1:21

Jesus saves us FROM our sins...as unpopular a message as that is today...especially here.

 

[Setyoufree]

Believers are saved from the sternness of God, from his act of cutting off the non-believer.

Okay...what does it mean to be "cut off"?

 

[Setyoufree]

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." - Matthew 1:21

Jesus saves us FROM our sins.....

Read Gal 3:19 "What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. 21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."

According to the Bible God gave the law, not as a means of salvation (what some term the Old Covenant), but instead to expose our sin(s)!

Go Romans 11:32 "For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all."

Now read Romans 5:18 "the result of one trespass (Adam's) was condemnation for all men"....verse 20: "The law was added so that the trespass might increase"

Did you get that? The law was given (added after sin) not to improve mankind's position, but to make matters worse. As Paul states in Romans 7:13, "so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful."

So the law doesn't make us better...in fact it makes things worse.

So if Jesus came to save us from our sins - from sinners to people of perfection & holiness - then none will be saved!

After all none are living Christ's life and His life answered the law in every detail. Hence, just as both Christ and Paul stated, "there is none righteous, no, not even one."

So Christ came to save us from our sins, yes...but in what respect? What is it that condemns of us sin? That's what Christ came to save us from!

Any ideas?

 

[Setyoufree]

So Christ came to save us from our sins, yes...but in what respect? What is it that condemns of us sin? That's what Christ came to save us from!

Any ideas?

Let me quote the Apostle Paul:

Romans 7:7 "I would not have known what sin was except through the law."

Now what does the law demand of sinners?

Gal 3:10 "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Now go to Gal 3: 23 Before the faith (Jesus) came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until the faith (Jesus) should be revealed. 24 So the law was put in charge until Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that the faith (Jesus) has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

So the law demands our death because of our sins. Christ came to save us from the penalty of our sins, i.e., death! Not any death, but instead the 2nd death, which is goodbye to life forever!!!

 

[bornofGod888]

Any ideas?

Yeah...you should reread your Bible...all of it.

Hey, you asked.

 

[Setyoufree]

Yeah...you should reread your Bible...all of it.

Hey, you asked.

Are you without sin?

After all that is what the law demands!

To state you are without sin is to say you are as righteous as Jesus Christ. According to the Apostle John such a claim would make one a deceived!

Let's read that:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves" [1 John 1:8]

So "no", none of us are living Christ's life....We might by His grace be growing in grace, but that cannot add to what Christ did 2000 years ago. If it does then salvation is partially by law and partially by faith.

But let's not turn this into a works debate. Let's answer the question: From what did Christ come to save us?

 

[Wordkeeper]

Acts 7
34'I HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN THE OPPRESSION OF MY PEOPLE IN EGYPT AND HAVE HEARD THEIR GROANS, AND I HAVE COME DOWN TO RESCUE THEM; COME NOW, AND I WILL SEND YOU TO EGYPT.'

Saved from oppression by their slave masters. The world (Egypt) is a slave master, giving you insufficient, perishable payback for the work you do, but so are your desires. Israel escaped oppression from the world, but not from the desires that still enslaved her. In spite of drinking from the Rock :

1 Corinthians 10
7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry."

1 Corinthians 10
1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.

6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.

 

[Setyoufree]

From what did Christ come to save us?

What does Paul say?

Romans 7:4 "So, my brothers, you also died to the law in the body of Christ....6 But now, by dying to what once bound us (in Christ), we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

The KJV says, "But now we are delivered from the law"....

Why?

Romans 4:15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression....



So Christ came to save us not from hell...not from our sins so we would be mini-Christs, but from under law to under grace.

Everyone who rejects Christ is remaining under law and under law you will die the 2nd death.

 

[Setyoufree]

Saved from oppression by their slave masters.

But I'm not a slave under Egyptian rule. You are making an application out of context. Why not go to the clear text, like Romans chapter 5 & 7?

 

[Setyoufree]

Everyone who rejects Christ is remaining under law and under law you will die the 2nd death.

You see Christ didn't come to do away with the law! If Christ did away with the law then in the end nothing can condemn the sinner.

Christ came to do away with us who are bondage to sin (i.e., the whole world). He came to take us into Himself and when He died, our humanity from Adam died. Since we all are Adam's children and since Christ assumed our life when He died we died in Him.

So in Christ Jesus the law has been satisfied. To reject this truth (the gospel) is to reject one's need of Christ's righteousness. He who rejects Christ is self-righteous to the core. He will stand before the law in the judgment and the law will declare him a sinner. The wages of sin is death - the 2nd death.

If you reject Christ you are a legalist of the most vile source. You are claiming to be without sin....If you have Christ then you have accepted your death in Christ to the law. Read Romans 6:6 & Romans 7:4.

 

[bornofGod888]

IOW, welcome to my rant?

Bye...

 

[Setyoufree]

Read Romans 6:6

Romans 6:6 "For we know that our old self (our old life from Adam) was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with...."

Were you alive 2000 years ago when Christ died?

No!

But the humanity Christ assumed as God was your humanity under the curse. He received this life from Mary, a sinner saved by God's grace. The life He took from Mary was our life because we all share one life - the life of Adam after the fall.

That life died in Christ. Since we are all linked to that life we can say that when Christ died our old life from Adam died in Him. This is the gospel and needs to be accepted so we can more from the curse of the law to God's grace.

 

[Setyoufree]

IOW, welcome to my rant?

Bye...

Don't stay gone too long....For the truth will set you free!!! Hence my name.

In Christ,

Setyoufree

 

[Wordkeeper]

Don't know about you, but my desires are hard slave masters. The Egyptians have got nothing on them. Israel found their desires harder to leave than their Egyptian slave masters.

But I'm not a slave under Egyptian rule. You are making an application out of context. Why not go to the clear text, like Romans chapter 5 & 7?

 

[Ceridwen]

Okay...what does it mean to be "cut off"?

The answer is in the Bible. Read it.

 

[Setyoufree]

The answer is in the Bible. Read it.

Can you show me where it is at in the Bible?

Thanks,

SYF

 

[from scratch]

Let's explore what it means "to be saved". In order to be saved you must be delivered from something. What is that something???

In Romans 10:9 Paul states that "If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved"....

Again, saved from what?

After having been here for a while, I see a problem with the terminology. Yes the Bible even uses the same word saved. Some people don't understand the word and it use. I think redeemed might better serve the purpose as alluded to in the thread. I also like the word delivered followed with the word from as used by Paul in Rom 7:6.

The simple answer is we're actually delivered/redeemed/saved from 2 different things - sin which came before the law and the law itself. The law can't change or eliminate evil or wickedness.

 

[Setyoufree]

Can you show me where it is at in the Bible?

Thanks,

SYF

Well, I was having fun....Yes, I'll read my Bible:

Is 53:8 "For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken...."

Christ, as the Son of Man, was cut off. He took the curse. What's the curse?

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed (saved) us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

What happened to Christ on the cross that He experienced the 2nd death (the curse of the law)?

When Christ became a man in the incarnation He had to give up not His divinity, but His divine prerogatives, in other words, the independent use of His divinity. Even His God-consciousness had to be given up. Jesus discovered He was God only by revelation. He was not God-conscious as a baby. He had to grow up in knowledge. He had to grow up in everything because He had given up the independent use of His divinity and was made in all things like unto us (Heb. 2:17).

Therefore, He was totally God-dependent all through His earthly ministry. John 5:30 says, “I can do nothing of myself.” John 6:57 says, “I live by the Father.” See also John 8:28 and John 14:10. All these texts state very clearly that Christ was totally God-dependent. Christ was also depending on His Father for the resurrection!

Do you know what the Father did on the cross? Christ cried out: “Father, Father why have you forsaken me?” What He meant is not “Why are you leaving me for three days?” but, “Why have You abandoned Me?” Do you know what that meant to Christ? It meant that the hope of the resurrection went with that abandonment. That is the curse of God!