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So you've changed your mind from your first post above?
No. not at all.

We could go on to argue about turning away from the faith we once recieved and were forgiven by, and returning to our old life of sin with worse judgment that before ever being saved, but then you would disagree with that, and say such never were saved in the first place.

And so, we disagree. I say Living faith in salvation of Christ by grace can become dead, and so nothing more for grace to save through.

However, so long as grace is not believed to be an excuse for sin, then we do agree in the necessity of living a life well-pleasing to God by grace through faith in Jesus.

Which in the end is all that matters, no matter what are personal definitions and understandings may be about grace and sure salvation.
 
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By Scripture, repentance (metanoeo) is absolutely of the mind.
By man's definition. Not by Scripture.

Repentance is the work of righteousness by faith.

No works of repentance, no repentance.

Confession is not a work, but an agreement of the heart and mind with God.
 
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In James 2:21-23, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of his faith, but not insofar as they were earning his justification. So faith works do save insofar as the same faith by which we are saved is also express is doing works. Doing the works described in Titus 2:11-14 is part of the content of God's gift of salvation, not something that we need to do in order to earn our salvation, or something that we will do because we have been saved.

Christ is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is a core part of what Christ is like, and our sanctification is about being made to be like Christ. In John 17:17, it says to sanctify them in truth and that God's word is truth, and it is also true that God's law is God's word, so it is God who sanctifies us and makes us holy and obedience to His word in accordance with Christ's example is what that looks like. Someone who lived in obedience to the Mosaic Law would be indistinguishable from someone who lived in obedience to the greatest two commandments because they would both be following the same example Christ set for us to follow. All of God's commandments hang on the greatest two commandments, so there is no part of the Mosaic Law that is not included as part of the greatest two commandments.
Hello Soyeong.

Here is what you said.

"Christ is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is a core part of what Christ is like, and our sanctification is about being made to be like Christ."

This statement of yours describing the nature of God is not accurate and misleading.

When Jesus obeyed any of the laws in front of the disciples, the disciples would be none the wiser as to the nature of God. For example; when Jesus rested on the Sabbath day, I don't think the disciples were inclined to think, wow, look at Jesus resting on the Sabbath day. To see Jesus resting gives us a deep understanding of the nature of God? Simply because the disciples would be terrified of breaking the Sabbath also, and would have been fully Sabbath compliant.

Here is another example of living in obedience to the law that would not reflect God's nature. Jesus never committed adultery. I don't think that the disciples had any insight into the nature of God, because Jesus did not commit adultery. The disciples themselves probably never committed adultery as that transgression carried the death penalty. So I would not agree that obedience to any of the laws, provides any insight into God's nature whatsoever.

The core of God's nature is love and that was the very nature of Jesus.

1 John 3:16
We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

How do we know God's nature?

By the depth of God's love in that He became like us and then sacrificed Himself for us. That is love beyond comprehension.

God is love and not eating shellfish will not reveal the nature of God to you.
 
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And you know this, how?

Because you are taking a position that love does not fulfill the law by arguing against obeying it.

Does not alter the tautology. . .

I don't see any tautology, but if my position is tautologically true, then why are you not in agreement with it?
 
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Hello Soyeong.

Here is what you said.

"Christ is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is a core part of what Christ is like, and our sanctification is about being made to be like Christ."

This statement of yours describing the nature of God is not accurate and misleading.

When Jesus obeyed any of the laws in front of the disciples, the disciples would be none the wiser as to the nature of God. For example; when Jesus rested on the Sabbath day, I don't think the disciples were inclined to think, wow, look at Jesus resting on the Sabbath day. To see Jesus resting gives us a deep understanding of the nature of God? Simply because the disciples would be terrified of breaking the Sabbath also, and would have been fully Sabbath compliant.

Here is another example of living in obedience to the law that would not reflect God's nature. Jesus never committed adultery. I don't think that the disciples had any insight into the nature of God, because Jesus did not commit adultery. The disciples themselves probably never committed adultery as that transgression carried the death penalty. So I would not agree that obedience to any of the laws, provides any insight into God's nature whatsoever.

The core of God's nature is love and that was the very nature of Jesus.

1 John 3:16
We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

How do we know God's nature?

By the depth of God's love in that He became like us and then sacrificed Himself for us. That is love beyond comprehension.

God is love and not eating shellfish will not reveal the nature of God to you.

If God's laws are not arbitrarily given, then the reasons that God specifically chose to given the commands that He did teaching us something about the nature of who He is. For example, God's righteous laws teach us how to testify about His righteousness. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3), so following those instructions is testifying about God's holiness, while not following those instructions is bearing false witness against God being holy. The disciples might not have been impressed by Jesus keeping the Sabbath holy and they might have already understood that aspect of God's nature, but Jesus nevertheless did testifying about an aspect of God's holiness by keeping the Sabbath holy.

The way that we live shines a light that testifies what we believe about the nature of who God is, which is why our good works bring glory to God (Matthew 5:13-16). So when we do what is righteous or holy or express other aspects of God's nature through our obedience to God's instructions for how to do that found in His law, we are expressing our love for the nature of who God is, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that associate our love for God with our obedience to Him (Deuteronomy 7:9, 11:1, Joshua 22:5, Nehemiah 1:5, John 14:15, 14:21, 15:10, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John 1:6). For example, in Exodus 20:6, God wanted His people to love Him and obey His commandments, so keeping the Sabbath holy in Exodus 20:8-11 is directly connected to what it means to love God.

Likewise, the fact that God commanded against adultery teaches us something about who He is, and Jesus expressed that aspect of who God is by refraining from committing adultery. A God who commanded against adultery has a different nature than a God who was in favor of people committing adultery, so by refraining from adultery in obedience to God, we are making a statement about who God is. If we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, as so forth for all of the other laws that God has given, so all of these commandments make up a correct understanding of what it means to love God and our neighbor. It is not so much that obedience to anything that God could have commanded would have been a way to express our love for God, but that all of the commands that God gave were specifically chosen for the purpose of teaching us how to love who He is. If you don't follow God's instructions for how to testify about His holiness, life not refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), then you are eat shellfish, then that is an aspect of God's nature that you don't love.
 
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Because you are taking a position that love does not fulfill the law by arguing against obeying it.
As are you in arguing against Jesus' commandments fulfilling the law.
 
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As are you in arguing against Jesus' commandments fulfilling the law.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). Love fulfills the law because the purpose of all the commandments that God chose to give is to teach us how to love God and our neighbor. A command can't be fulfilled without correctly doing what it instructs to do, so if someone obedience to the greatest two commandments does not involve correctly obeying what the other laws instruct to do, then they are denying that the greatest two commandments fulfill the other commandments and denying that the other commandments hang on the greatest two.

Jesus expressed his love through how he lived and he lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how we are to love as he loved us. The way Jesus lived can be all summed up by loving God and his neighbor, an a sum is inclusive of all of its parts, so summing the law up in no way diminishes the importance of following all of the other commandments that are all that are part of what it means to love God and our neighbor. Jesus taught how to correctly obey the greatest two commandments by setting an example of how to live in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so if someone rejects parts of his example, then they are not correctly obeying the greatest two commandments.
 
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"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). Love fulfills the law because the purpose of all the commandments that God chose to give is to teach us how to love God and our neighbor. A command can't be fulfilled without correctly doing what it instructs to do, so if someone obedience to the greatest two commandments does not involve correctly obeying what the other laws instruct to do, then they are denying that the greatest two commandments fulfill the other commandments and denying that the other commandments hang on the greatest two.

Jesus expressed his love through how he lived and he lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how we are to love as he loved us. The way Jesus lived can be all summed up by loving God and his neighbor, an a sum is inclusive of all of its parts, so summing the law up in no way diminishes the importance of following all of the other commandments that are all that are part of what it means to love God and our neighbor. Jesus taught how to correctly obey the greatest two commandments by setting an example of how to live in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so if someone rejects parts of his example, then they are not correctly obeying the greatest two commandments.
Previously addressed. . .
 
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So I went for a walk with someone I know from my church for the first time. We eventually got around to talking about Jesus.

He asked me how i came to the faith, and I informed him that i had spent most of my life looking for truth and that i finally came to christianity and found it to be true.

He then went on to say that all religions teach the same thing : do good.
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I'd really like some help with this, as my faith idea of my faith has been shaken.

P.s. i do beleive that Jesus is the son of God and has clear authority given to him from the Father, and therefore whatever he taught, i believe is what i should (try to) follow, and would like to clarify exactly what that is.

Lord Jesus and all the Apostles agree with the following...

Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
KJV



God's offer of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ is NOT by debt from any work. Instead, it is a free gift from God to those who believe on Him and His Son. I see no confusion at all... in that. It's simple.

Paul shows that IF... we could save ourselves through our own 'works', then we could "boast". Yet no man can save themselves through works.
 
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So I went for a walk with someone I know from my church for the first time. We eventually got around to talking about Jesus.


He asked me how i came to the faith, and I informed him that i had spent most of my life looking for truth and that i finally came to christianity and found it to be true.


He then went on to say that all religions teach the same thing : do good.


I said, is that not where Christianity is different: in that we are saved by grace through faith. To which i cannot remember his response.


More was said with which i had an issue, and i soon asked him if he thought Jesus is the son of God, to which he replied: He was born of the spirit.


Now this has thrown me through a loop. I am new to the faith (around 18 months) and he has been going to church a long time.


I figured that everyone who went to church believed that Jesus was the son of God and believed in salvation through faith, and not salvation through works.


I have thought about this and read Matthew's gospel; but only the red letter (what Jesus said).


I found one passage where Jesus mentioned his sacrifice for the remission of sins: Matthew 26:28. Which could be interpreted many ways based upon that one line of text.


To counter the idea of being saved by grace through faith is the concluding text of Matthew 28:18-20. Which i think could be argued that Jesus wants us to do as he taught (leaning more towards deeds over grace through faith).


I know that Paul further went into the theme of salvation through grace (why should i trust Pauls teaching), but if we were to go purely off of just Marks gospel, then could it not fairly be argued that Jesus teaches that we are saved by works rather than grace just like every other religion?


I'd really like some help with this, as my faith idea of my faith has been shaken.


P.s. i do beleive that Jesus is the son of God and has clear authority given to him from the Father, and therefore whatever he taught, i believe is what i should (try to) follow, and would like to clarify exactly what that is.

It will help for you to understand how to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). Most people wrongly divide by using that page that separates the book of Malachi from Matthew.

They think that every book in the OT is truth of Israel but the moment they turn that page, everything from Matthew onwards is truth written to them.

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom in the 4 gospel accounts.

The gospel of the kingdom was based on the identity of Jesus. Israel needed to believe that Jesus Christ is their promised Son of God and Messiah, as promised by God to David in 2 Samuel 7

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Put it simply, Jesus was to be that Son of David that will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem. This was repeated in various times throughout the 4 gospels (Luke 1, Luke 18:36-38 etc)

To show faith in this gospel of the kingdom, you are to acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God. There are at least 3 examples I can think of when his happened

Peter
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Martha
John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Ethiopian Eunuch
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Thus the gospel of the kingdom was based the identity of Christ (John 20:31).

Gospel of the grace of God

Instead of the identity, this gospel is based on believing the finished works of Christ Jesus at the cross, as stated in 1 Cor 15:1-4, this gospel is for Jews and Gentiles.

That is the main difference in the 2 gospel messages.
 
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It will help for you to understand how to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). Most people wrongly divide by using that page that separates the book of Malachi from Matthew.

They think that every book in the OT is truth of Israel but the moment they turn that page, everything from Matthew onwards is truth written to them.

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom in the 4 gospel accounts.

Jesus also preaches the Gospel of the Kingdom in the Revelation, because He tells us about those who believe His Gospel of the Kingdom. His sheep hear His voice, John 10:1-5, and they received and heard, John 14:15-17.

The gospel of the kingdom was based on the identity of Jesus. Israel needed to believe that Jesus Christ is their promised Son of God and Messiah, as promised by God to David in 2 Samuel 7

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

True. The Gospel of the Kingdom does depend upon the identity of the Son... but the words of This Gospel are all about the Father, John 12:44-50, John 18:37, John 17:17... because these are the Father's Commandments. What was done by Jesus fulfills the Prophecies written about Him. What was done for the Son is also an essential part of This Gospel, Matthew 26:13. Matthew 24:14 says the end comes... starting with the abomination of desolation... so this Gospel of the Kingdom (which includes Matthew 26:13) will be preached by the Two Witnesses clothed in sackcloth, IMO... these two are the sacrifice and drink-offering which are taken away by the beast that kills them.

Daniel 9:27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX

This covenant with many, IMO, is the covenant with Death and Hell, Isaiah 28:14-22.

Put it simply, Jesus was to be that Son of David that will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem. This was repeated in various times throughout the 4 gospels (Luke 1, Luke 18:36-38 etc)

To show faith in this gospel of the kingdom, you are to acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God. There are at least 3 examples I can think of when his happened

Peter
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Martha
John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Ethiopian Eunuch
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Thus the gospel of the kingdom was based the identity of Christ (John 20:31).

Jesus came in the Father's name, which is the requirement given and fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise up to them a prophet of their brethren like thee, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them as I shall Command Him. 19 And whatever man shall not hearken to whatsoever words that prophet shall speak in My name, I will take vengeance on him.LXX

John 12:48-50 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.[49] For I have not spoken of Myself, but the Father which sent Me He gave Me a Commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.[50] And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.KJV

John 5:43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me.

John 14:24 He that loveth Me not keepeth not My sayings. And the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto Him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the Truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth My voice.

John 17:9-26 [9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.[17] Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;[25] O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I have known Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent Me.[26] And I have declared unto them Thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith Thou hast loved Me may be in them, and I in them.


Gospel of the grace of God

Instead of the identity, this gospel is based on believing the finished works of Christ Jesus at the cross, as stated in 1 Cor 15:1-4, this gospel is for Jews and Gentiles.

That is the main difference in the 2 gospel messages.

Well... I wouldn't go that far. Paul seems to have told them how Jesus is the Christ.

The difference, IMO, is that Jesus preached the Father, My Father, our Father... This is why Matthew 23:8-10 needed to be taught... so that people wouldn't make themselves gods by calling themselves by these proprietary titles.

Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi, for one is your Master: Christ, and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers, for one is your Teacher: Christ.
 
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Daniel 9:27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX

This covenant with many, IMO, is the covenant with Death and Hell, Isaiah 28:14-22.

The following may agree with you.

Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9?


Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?

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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.


(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.


(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.



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During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?


Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD.


Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”.


Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below?


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)


Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?


We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.


Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled.


Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below?


Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'


Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below?


Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16.


Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels?


In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.


Read the recent book "The 70th Week of Daniel 9 DECODED" by David Wilcoxson for confirmation of the above.

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Matthew 24:14 says the end comes... starting with the abomination of desolation... so this Gospel of the Kingdom (which includes Matthew 26:13) will be preached by the Two Witnesses clothed in sackcloth, IMO... these two are the sacrifice and drink-offering which are taken away by the beast that kills them.
Daniel 9:27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX
This covenant with many, IMO, is the covenant with Death and Hell, Isaiah 28:14-22.

The following may agree with you.

Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9?

I don't think so. Daniel's prophecy is concealed, a bit here, a bit there. The same way that some of the Psalms are written, where part of what seems like one people are being spoken of... only to become all about Iesus in the same sentence. Haven't you noticed that? It's easier to see in the Septuagint... for it's that which Iesus quotes, after all. It's much easier to match the Greek OT with the Greek NT... the same phrases/idoms are being used almost verbatim in both.

For example, drunk and wine come from the same Greek words in Isaiah 28...

Isaiah 28:14-18 [1] Woe to the crown of pride, the hirelings of Ephraim, the flower that has fallen from the glory of the top of the fertile mountain, they that are drunken without wine. ...[14] Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, ye afflicted men, and ye princes of this people that is in Jerusalem.[15] Because ye have said, We have made a Covenant with Hades and agreements with Death: if the rushing storm should pass it shall not come upon us; we have made falsehood our hope and by falsehood shall we be protected.[16] Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on Him shall by no means be ashamed.[17] And I will cause judgment to be for hope, and My compassion shall be for just measures, and ye that trust vainly in falsehood shall fall: for the storm shall by no means pass by you,[18] except it also take away your covenant of Death and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand: if the rushing storm should come upon you, ye shall be beaten down by it.LXX

... that are used in the Revelation...

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the Earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the Earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.KJV

... and more defined here:

Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Iesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.KJV

And the vineyard in Isaiah...

Isaiah 5:1-28 Now I will sing to My beloved a song of My beloved concerning My vineyard. My beloved had a vineyard on a high hill in a fertile place.[2] And I made a hedge round it, and dug a trench, and planted a choice vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and dug a place for the wine-vat in it: and I waited for it to bring forth grapes, and it brought forth thorns.[3] And now, ye dwellers in Jerusalem, and every man of Juda, judge between Me and My vineyard.[4] What shall I do any more to My vineyard, that I have not done to it? Whereas I expected it to bring forth grapes, but it has brought forth thorns.[5] And now I will tell you what I will do to My vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it shall be for a spoil; and I will pull down its walls, and it shall be left to be trodden down.[6] And I will forsake My vineyard; and it shall not be pruned, nor dug, and thorns shall come up upon it as on barren land; and I will command the clouds to rain no rain upon it.[7] For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Juda his beloved plant: I expected it to bring forth judgment, and it brought forth iniquity; and not righteousness, but a cry. ...[26] Therefore shall He lift up a signal to the nations that are afar, and shall hiss for them from the end of the earth; and, behold, they are coming very quickly.[27] They shall not hunger nor be weary, neither shall they slumber nor sleep; neither shall they loose their girdles from their loins, neither shall their shoe-latchets be broken.[28] Whose arrows are sharp, and their bows bent; their horses’ hoofs are counted as solid rock: their chariot-wheels are as a storm.LXX

... matches the vineyard explained in Matthew... so we know what that "cry" is.

Matthew 21:33-45 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:[34] And when the time of the fruit drew near, He sent His servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.[35] And the husbandmen took His servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.[36] Again, He sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.[37] But last of all He sent unto them His Son, saying, They will reverence My Son.[38] But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill Him, and let us seize on His inheritance.[39] And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him].

All of those verses are about the same event... and the consequences thereof.

And if you go back to Deuteronomy 28, you can see the first prophecy about what would come of the failure to keep the Commandments of God...

Deuteronomy Deuteronomy 28:43-52 [47] Because you did not serve [the] LORD your God with gladness and with a good heart, because of the multitude of all these.[48] And you shalt serve your enemies whom the LORD shall send as a successor over you in hunger and in thirst and in nakedness and in the want of all things. And he shall put a collar of iron upon your neck, until whenever he should utterly destroy you.[49] Shall bring upon you [the] LORD a nation far off from [the] end of the earth, as the impulse an eagle, a nation of which you will not hear its voice;[50] a nation impudent in [its] face, who will not admire [the] face of an old man, and for [the] young will not show mercy.[51] And it will devour the progeny of your cattle, and the produce of your land, so as not to leave behind for you grain, wine, olive oil, herds of your oxen, and the flocks of your sheep, until whenever it should destroy you,[52] and should obliterate you in all your cities, until whenever should be demolished your walls--the high and the fortified [ones] upon which you rely upon them in all your land--and it shall afflict you in all your cities, which gave to you [the] LORD your God.

... which matches Daniel 2:43 iron feet of the statue, and Matthew's reference to the same feet crushed into powder, above(not quoted, but referenced).

And that nation of impudent face above, matches the king of the same face below, and the collar thereof.

Daniel 8:23-25 [23] And at [the] last of their kingdom, being full of the sins, shall rise up a king with an impudent face, and perceiving riddles.[24] And [is] fortified his strength, and not by his strength. And wonderfully he shall corrupt and shall prosper, and shall perform, and shall corrupt strong ones and people holy.[25] And the yoke of the collar shall prosper treachery in his hand, and in his heart he shall magnify himself, and by treachery he shall corrupt many, and for a destruction of many he shall establish himself, and as eggs in a hand he shall break.ABP

And Zechariah's man measuring Jerusalem...

Zechariah 2:1-8 And I lifted my eyes, and I beheld, and behold, a man, and in his hand [was] a measuring line of a surveyor.[2] And I said to him, Where do you go? And he said to me, To measure out Jerusalem, and to see how great the width of it is, and how great the length.[3] And behold, the angel speaking with me stopped, and another angel went forth to meet with him.[4] And he said to him, Run and speak to that young man! saying, Fruitfully shall Jerusalem be inhabited because of a multitude of men and cattle in [the] midst of her.[5] And I will be to her, says [the] LORD, a wall of fire round about, and for glory I will be in [the] midst of her. [6] Oh, Oh flee from [the] land of [the] north! says [the] LORD. For from out of the four winds of the heaven I will gather you, says [the] LORD.[7] Unto Zion escape! O ones dwelling with [the] daughter of Babylon.[8] Because, thus says [the] LORD almighty, After glory He has sent Me out unto the nations, the ones despoiling you; for the one touching you [is] as one touching the pupil of His eye.LXX

... becomes John measuring the temple...

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.KJV

... meaning, Jerusalem itself IS the Temple.

And Ephraim's physically rich...

Hosea 12:8 And Ephraim said, But I am rich, I have found respite for myself. All [produce] of his toils shall not be found in him, because of iniquities in which he sinned.LXX

... becomes Laodicea's spiritually poor.

Revelation 3:17-19 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:[18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.[19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

These of course, are the fires of the Great Tribulation.

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Now, I'm not saying that what I think, today, is firmly set in stone... but the more connections like these which can be made, the more set is this concrete base, IMO. I believe that the closer we get to the events of the Revelation, the more these seals will open unto us. Because these are visual clues, many won't see them as such... but will call them metaphors, and thereby miss the revelation thereof.
 
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I don't think so. Daniel's prophecy is concealed, a bit here, a bit there.

Does Daniel chapter 9 reveal what would happen during a 490 year time period, before the second temple was destroyed? Was it proclaimed throughout Judea during the first century?

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
Act 10:35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all—
Act 10:37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached:
Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree.
Act 10:40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
Act 10:41 not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.
Act 10:42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
Act 10:43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins."


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Does Daniel chapter 9 reveal what would happen during a 490 year time period, before the second temple was destroyed? Was it proclaimed throughout Judea during the first century?

Act 10:34

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(shrug) I don't read Acts.
 
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