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Saved by grace, but whom are Jesus' warnings directed to? (And the other warnings)

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I appreciate your reply. Thank you. May the Lord bless you
 
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It's fairly simple; grace is intended to produce something, to produce a response of faith in us first of all. But that isn't guaranteed; we can resist and reject Gods overtures; He does not force us or override our wills, not with Adam, and not with us now.

By the same token we can reject faith after "tasting of the heavenly gift", we can live faithlessly, we can turn back away from God at any step along the way. Salvation is not universal, and man is drawn, not forced, to act.
 
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How could Eph 2:8-9 be saying that? The verses are quite plainly stated. It seems you've conflated several verses into your question. The "working out their salvation" comes from Phil 2:12 refers to the "present tense" aspect of salvation, or our sanctification process. Or, spiritual growth.

If one must work out their salvation by forgiving others and not living in sin, that makes our salvation dependent upon what we do, when, in fact, our salvation is based upon what our Savior already did for us. Which is grace. If your question were true, then salvation could not be by grace at all. Rather, by works instead of grace.

How can I really know that Jesus' warnings about not forgiving (as in Matthew 18) is directed towards christians for example?
It is directed towards believers. As a believer, we are forgiven of our ongoing sins by confession, per 1 John 1:9. Regarding that chapter, count the number of times John used the word "fellowship" and that is what confession is for; ongoing fellowship.

So, Matt 18 is about being forgiven as a means of fellowship. iow, how can any believer be in fellowship with the Lord if they are not being forgiving towards others?

Or His warning about servants that started drinking and beating the other servants of Christ (Matthew 24)? Or Paul in Galatians 5, 1 Corinthians 6 and Ephesians 5 warning that those who do "this, this, this" will not inherit God's kingdom.
These 3 passages are parallel. In 1 Cor 6 and Gal 5, the phrase is "will not inherit the kingdom", but in Eph 5, the phrase is "have no inheritance in the kingdom".

It would be a mistake to think that "not inheriting the kingdom" means "not entering the kingdom". There is no equality between "inherit" and "enter". One can enter the kingdom but have no inheritance in the kingdom.
 
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