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It was a Christian symbol before Haleigh.... and Pagan means any person who doesn't follow Christianity, so your description is not very good.Haleigh said:
That makes me mad when I see pentagrams symbolizing devil-worship.
They are a Pagan/Wiccan symbol for harmony and peace. Also a symbol for feminism and the god Venus. Where did the Devil come out of that?!?!
No actually, I didn't want to go into detail on Crowley and left him out of it. I thought it was superflouous to answering the OP and probably more detail than was wanted.Havoc said:If I had a nickel for everytime someone used the word "fact" to apply to an opinion...
I think you are referring to Crowley. Gardner and Crowley were contemporaries and both were forming their religious concepts at about the same time. There is evidence that they may have corresponded, but that doesn't mean they had the same, or even similar beliefs. The commonality they had was the condemnation of mainstream religions, which can make for the strangest of bedfellows.
Perhaps the situation was different in the UK at the time than in other places. I was simply giving my recollections of the situation at the time. And in the UK, prior to the 80's, there was some interaction between Wiccans and those who followed LaVey....I think it was primarily just one of "hanging tough together" against what they considered to be the establishment.Havoc said:Wicca was already well established by the time LaVey came along, and he has had little or no influence beyond semonstrating that the power of the reigning religion can be broken. LaVeyan Religious concepts are so different from Wiccan concepts that there is little chance he could have had an influence.
I really hope you are not referring to me. It took me awhile to figure who this Warnke person is. I see your point, but it rather hurts my feelings to know that you think I am a liar. I find it interesting that UK Wiccans of my acquaintance and friendship (I'm still friends with several in spite of my return to Christianity) could care less about Christians...they simply view themselves as "non" Christians and don't worry too much about explaining themselves as Americans seem wont to do. Nevertheless, I do hope we can be friendly Havoc.Havoc said:A lot of people confuse Crowley and LaVey. It's a common mistake. What I find interesting is that Christians will believe anyone who claims to have been a former Witch over someone who actually is, even if the "former Witch" displays a complete lack of knowledge of the subject they were supposedly expert in. We call it the "Warnke" syndrome.
Really? It's quite "the thing" in many parts of Europe.Rae said:Erm...there are at best a few thousand practicing Satanists in the United States. It isn't much of a "movement."
Replace the Satanists with any denomination and you'll find people of that denomination who think That way. Hitler's thinking was not satanic... what was his denomination?Libby1 said:Here is a quote from a LaVeyan satanist:
"... personally think that an inferior human is obviously of higher intellegence than a horse due to their human brain's basic functioning. Within the human species however they are an equivalent to the one frog in the group who hops around in circles until he dries up.
We as Satanists are much higher ranking in our species...."
The final statement in the above quote is in itself perturbing. Again, parallel to the thinking of Hitler.
Libby1
Hmmm....I wonder what he was talking about...the hypocrisy and unreason which has reigned for the past 2000 years?.....must be Christianity? I have read his book and i agreed with quite a bit of what he said, when i was a teen. I was going through a stage where i was mad at God for letting the world go on as it is, people dying from no food, wars, etc. Then i started to realize when God started working in my life again that it was not God's fault, it is mans fault, there is plenty of food in this earth to feed everyone, if everyone followed God there would not be any wars, humanity is sinful and we suffer for it. I started to realize that Lavey was truly possesed, everything in the book is against Christianity, imo it is a book of hate and paranoia. And what is he doing calling on all the names for satan if he does not believe in satan? why is he telling people to do rituals in its name if he does not believe in satan? why pray to satan if he is not there? This book was burnt by me. And no i have not burned any other books.Libby1 said:LaVey Satanism
Magus Anton Szandor LaVey was born in Chicago in 1930 (1930-1997). He was the founder of a 'new religion' in 1966, on the night of May Evethe traditional Witches Sabbath LaVey declared the founding of the Church of Satan thus creating..."... a new revolution designed to smash the hypocrisy and unreason which has reigned for the past 2000 years.
Libby1
Well IsisIsis-Astoroth said:Iollain, I burnt the christian bible not long ago, and there may be people here who think what i did is some kind of monostrocity, but i felt the same about the christian bible as you seem to have done with the satanic bible.
I personally don't like LaVey because he turned everyone to believe Satanists don't believe in Satan, which annoys me because it has brought around more ignorance.
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