Lilly of the Valley said:
Why blame God for man willfully taking satan's bait to begin w/ and choosing him and his perverse way despite knowing truth? Yes, God allows satan some freedom, but again, man doesn't have to do anything satan tries to make him/her...that's our own choice...and God even is willing to help us at that and man still rejects it.
If Christianity were the one true faith, and iut's god the one true god, then it would be 100% gods fault.
If it were to be true, than acording to it, all that existed was this same God,before time and space, before energy or matter, before anything period. God existed in a void of nothing all by gods self.
Then God created.
Thus, logically we could deduce, if this is the case, that not only did this very God create us and the angels that fell, but the "choices" themselves, the very energy that concieves thoughts of so-called wrongdooing exist as something that said God concieved of and created, and it all came froth from w/in this very Gods inner beeing-or else it could not exist. Hence, the very things,idea/conceptions,actions, or beeings deemed as 'sinful"/"evil"/etc exist only because they pre-existed in this deity and therefore this deity always was both good and evil and everything inbetween and purposefully made the energy/material universe and all the ingredients that cause any intelligent beeing to concieve of good or evil thoughts or deeeds out of this deities own nature and inner beeing.
Hence, this veyr god would be condemning and condemning to hell eternal it's own creations{the so-called fallen angels included} for baring the stigma of beeing of the exact same nature and essense as it itself is,was and ever shall be, something they cannot help but be anymore than it itself can.
Hence, it's either that this god is to blame 100%, or that it and it's own created extensions are hapless victims of the way thing simply are.
Or, as the case may be, the theistic god does not exist.
That said, it should be made knwon that the popular fallen angel conception of Satan is relatively new. The Jewisnh Scriptures and faith never contained a fallen angel-Satan. In the Jewish scriptures, Satan was simply a word that meant in their language "adversary/opposition/etc", not a proper name, but a title. It was a title given in the Tankah scriptures to ANY non-fallen angel that YhWh{G-d/tetragramaton} sent out to oppose somehting the humans were dooing that YhWh did'nt like. There was a specific Satan in the book of Job, whom in the Jewish tradition was NOT fallen, but was acting in YhWhs heavanly courts as a sort of court prosecuter{not an evil nemesis of the judge-YhWh}.
Sometime shortly before the alledged time of Jesus{w/in several hundred years} "SOME" jews came into contact with concepts from peoples and religions that had fallen or evil gods/demi-god type beeings in their mythologies, and they borrowed the concept over time{for example, it is thought probable that Pre-Islamic/Persian Zoroastrianism probably played a role- the enemy of their God Ahura Mazda, also Mazdas shadow side in some traditions I believe, was "Ahriman"-the god of destruction/death/etc; Egypts "Set" may also have ;layed a role, so and so forth}.
Eventually, the early Christians misintrpreted a couple verses in the Jewish scriptures, especially some verses in Isaiah referring to the fall of a babylonian king whose poetic title was "son of morning/etc" and the poetic prose used, and thoyght it referred to THEIR Satan, furtermore centuries after the alledged time of Jesus, the christians/church added this misintrpretation to a misintrpretation of a couple N.T. verses and connecte dthem erroneously= "I saw satan fall from heavan like LIGHTning" and "Satan appears as an angel of LIGHT"{amongst a couple others of similar phraseology} and connected this to the fall of the babylonian king they thought was then Satan, they mixed this Satan w/the Roman word "Lux' "Ferre" or "Lucifer"-meaning "light, to bear; lighbearer", this vision of Satan/Lucifer was used a bit some centuries after Jesus time, but became particularly popular and use din the western world after John Milton wrote his epic poem "Paradise Lost", And the rest is history. Semantics errnoeously mixed and confused.
Furthermore, one take of some people of Promethean mindset is to see Satan or Lucifer{erroneously mixed and concieved as this mythological entity may be} as a sort of peoples champion hero and bringe rof liberty and enlightenment in symbolic/metaphorical terms{like the Greeks Prometheus}; the Christians own O.T. and N.T. Bible gives precedence for this hero intrpretation. To read the O.T. partciularly w/humane heart and unbiased reason-one sees YhWh as quite a cruel,childihs,hypocritical entity, and he is still so{though a little less so} in the N.T., and the fallen Satan/Lucifer of Christian myth hardly ever gets a wor din edgewise-except for in most of the few instances where he is written to speak- as someone bringing enlightenment; so he can be seen as a peoples champion against tyranny,hypocrisy,ignorance,etc.
The above is metaphorical of course. But the facts spoken about the origins of the Christian devils/satan/lucifer are verifibaly true and factual, and irrefutablly how the so-called "evil rebel angel, opposer of a good god' came to be, furthemore my analysis of the Alpha/Omega god of christianity/monotheism beeing fully responsible for so-called "evil" in nature or beeings, is a logically irrefutable argument.
In Reason:
The very Irreverand: Bill
