Satan is defeated or not?

[ToBeLoved]

Is this guy twisting scripture by claiming Satan still dwells in the heavens. Not saying I agree with him, just looking fro an opinion from someone smarter on the subject than me.

God's Word tells us that Satan and the other fallen angels were cast out of heaven to the earth.

Stand on God's Word, always.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Well think of it this way. There is God, angels and humans. Satan was the highest angel and led the rebellion against God and was cast out of heaven along with the other fallen angels and cast to earth.

God is perfect and could not have done it. Adam and Eve were perfect when created and could not have done it, so who is left?

Also, they were specifically cast out of heaven to the earth and God calls them His enemies. So I think we can all agree on what happened, IMHO.

There's no mention that Satan was the highest angel or anything of the sort. The two sections that people claim to use as support for such things in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 is clearly cherry-picking from proverbs that were specifically addressed at the Kings of Babylon and Tyre. It's all metaphor and none of it refers to Satan in any way.

 

[ToBeLoved]

There's no mention that Satan was the highest angel or anything of the sort. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 is clearly cherry-picking from proverbs that were specifically addressed at the Kings of Babylon and Tyre. It's all metaphor and none of it refers to Satan in any way.

I think this verse makes it clear. It may not use the word 'Satan' but I think any angel that thinks they are going to rise above God is what we call Satan.

Isaiah 14:13–14
13 You said in your heart,

f‘I will ascend to heaven;

above the stars of God

gI will set my throne on high;

I will sit on the mount of assembly

in the far reaches of the north;3

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High.’

Satan was created as a holy angel. Isaiah 14:12 possibly gives Satan’s pre-fall name as Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:12-14 describes Satan as having been created a cherub, apparently the highest created angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status and decided he wanted to sit on a throne above that of God (Isaiah 14:13-14; Ezekiel 28:15; 1 Timothy 3:6). Satan’s pride led to his fall. Notice the many “I will” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Because of his sin, God permanently removed Satan from his exalted position and role.

Satan became the ruler of this world and the prince of the power of the air (John 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 2:2). He is an accuser (Revelation 12:10), a tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5), and a deceiver (Genesis 3; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:3). His very name means “adversary” or “one who opposes.” Another of his titles, the devil, means “slanderer.”

Who is Satan? Who is the devil?

Please show me in scripture that this is talking to a King of Tyre or whatever you say it is?

 

[Ron Gurley]

The devil and his works were given a deathblow at the cross. He is like a snake with his head cut off. He is allowed to writhe around and create mischief.

 

[Ron Gurley]

HEB 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence/misthapodosia of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, ye might receive the promise.

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And He is moved by you doing something to be 'recompenced/rewarded' with that grace.

1JO 4:19 We love, because he first loved us.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1PE 5:5 ...for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. :6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

I know this verses above kind of are an egg in the face of orthodoxy's definition of grace being unmerited favor, but hey these 2 verses above are bible and I'm kind of stuck on it over the traditions of men. [/QUOTE]

 

[Ron Gurley]

HEB 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence/misthapodosia of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, ye might receive the promise.

3405 misthapodosia [/



And He is moved by you doing something to be 'recompenced/rewarded' with that grace.

1JO 4:19 We love, because he first loved us.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1PE 5:5 ...for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. :6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

I know this verses above kind of are an egg in the face of orthodoxy's definition of grace being unmerited favor, but hey these 2 verses above are bible and I'm kind of stuck on it over the traditions of men.

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