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jtroth

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I am wanting to see what others think about Santa Clause. I grew up with doing the whole Santa Clause bit but also knowing the true meaning of Christmas. But my husband never did the Santa Clause bit in his family and not that it really bugs me but yet it does becaue he is saying that wehn we have kids we won't be doing the Santa Clause bit at all. To me I feel that you can do both as long as you emphasize on the true meaning of Christmas. To me it builds imagination with kids and we let them imagion other things so why not this?

Just wanting to see what others feel, and say about it.:confused: :pink:
 

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Methinks you may have opened a large can of worms with this question, however going by what you wrote here:

jtroth said:
To me I feel that you can do both as long as you emphasize on the true meaning of Christmas.
I'd have to say I agree with you.

JMHO,

Durango
 
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I agree what a can of worms you have opened ! But here is my two cents worth.
We do not celebrate Santa Clause at all. :cry: It took a long time for me to get to that point but a few years ago I eliminated all Santa's from the house. Why? Because I want my very young children to learn that we live by the truth in every aspect of our life. Christmas shouldn't be shared with another. It would be like sharing your birthday with someone unrelated to you every year.
Someone might think it is a little over the top to go that far but Jesus wants us completly to Himself and it would be a distraction to the kids if we hyped the Santa thing.
I think another reason we have is because of the political efforts to eliminate Christ out of the holidays. The edification of my children to become useful to the Lord is the greatest priority to us..not feeding them with meaningless clutter that will have no eternal value.

You asked and there it is!
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I agree with you jonah, we do not do santa at our house either. We do not want to take away from Jesus' day at all, we celebrate Christmas as Jesus bday and the gift he gave to us, we do little gifts before the day. My friends who do the whole deal, are so stressed out and broke how can that be good or fun. Jesus love is best.
 
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Santa Claus is just a stupid concept and I don't know why people indulge in it. Then again, I don't know why they spend hundreds of dollars in a desperate panic to purchase just the right expensive, obligatory gift, lest their relatives and friends stop loving them. If I was a Christian I'd be disgusted that Christmas equals commercialism. At least Jewish, Wiccan, Islamic and other holidays aren't being made into meaningless commercial events.
 
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I love to celebrate Christmas with Santa Claus, and all the traditional trappings. I'm not stressed about it, broke, or a chicken with my head cut off. We decorate the tree, sip hot chocolate, watch our daughter play with all orniments. It's a good time, very positive.

And we don't forget the reason for the season, either. I recognize it as celebrating the birth of Jesus, and the winter solstice (thus, the days start to get longer) and the modern, secular aspect as well. I celebrate ALL of it, and it's a wonderful thing indeed.
 
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feral said:
Santa Claus is just a stupid concept and I don't know why people indulge in it. Then again, I don't know why they spend hundreds of dollars in a desperate panic to purchase just the right expensive, obligatory gift, lest their relatives and friends stop loving them. If I was a Christian I'd be disgusted that Christmas equals commercialism. At least Jewish, Wiccan, Islamic and other holidays aren't being made into meaningless commercial events.
what about halloween, and hanukah, give it time, all holidays tend to get commericalized in time, I hate that easter is but anyway back to the topic.

Santa Claus isn't a lie, he was a real person, now you can also be santa claus to your kids, because that is who they are, so santa claus is just another name for you, but your kids don't know that.

But the true meaning of Christmas and should always be emphasized
 
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I've been struggling with that myself. I am pagan, as is fairly obvious I'm told, and we celebrate the Solstice as Yule. I don't have children yet, but when I do I wonder how much of a problem it will be to incoproate Santa (who I too loved believing in as a child and I still believe in the spirit of his legend) into the celebrations without taking away from the true reason to celebrate (for us pagans) the turning of the year and the return of the sun...

I'm very interested to see what comes of this thread.
 
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Mylinkay Asdara said:
I've been struggling with that myself. I am pagan, as is fairly obvious I'm told, and we celebrate the Solstice as Yule. I don't have children yet, but when I do I wonder how much of a problem it will be to incoproate Santa (who I too loved believing in as a child and I still believe in the spirit of his legend) into the celebrations without taking away from the true reason to celebrate (for us pagans) the turning of the year and the return of the sun...

I'm very interested to see what comes of this thread.
To me Santa Claus is represented of the spirit of Saint Nicholas, who had a spirit that all Christians should have, and it comes from loving God and his people. So to me Santa is a christian concept of chrisitian fantasy, and Saint Nick was who he was represented by.

Now if you can fit that into Yule then I see nothing wrong with that
 
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Kids understand pretend, but I think it's cruel to convince a trusting child that Santa is real. What a sick hoax. Santa will be everywhere soon, so you can't deny Santa's existance. Of curse he exists, he's on TV... but he's not "real." St. Nick is dead, Jesus is alive.
 
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TwinCrier: Thats just stupid. Covincing a kid Santa is real doesn't do any harm to them. It's not a typical lie. It's no different then reading them a story or something.


Anyways since I don't believe in Jesus, and even if I did I wouldn't wanna celebrate his birthday, I'll give my kids presents from Santa.

Seriously for those of you who are not doing it for your kids, you dunno what you've deprived them of.
 
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The Santa Claus myth is a cruel falsehood – a fanciful, destructive lie perpetuated by parents who tell their children not to lie. Are we justified in lying simply because a child enjoys the lie? Is the Santa myth simply a good white lie of no consequence? The Word of God quite plainly affirms, "Lying lips are abomination to Yahweh" (Prov. 12:22). We read that God hates "a lying tongue" (Prov. 6:16,17). Paul tells us to lay aside "lying" and to "speak…truth" (Ephesians 4:25). God assures us that "all liars" will have their part in the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8).

Furthermore Santa is not simply an overweight, white-bearded, jolly old man dressed in a red suit that lives at the North Pole. To many, he is elevated to the level of Deity. In effect, he has become a god. Notice the characteristics of God attributed to this supernatural figure:

  • Santa is omniscient like God – knowing whether every child has been "bad or good" (to use the thought from the popular song).
  • Santa is omnipresent like God – he can be everywhere in the world during the same night of the year!
  • Santa is omnipotent like God – flying through the skies with his supernatural reindeer, carrying toys!
  • Santa is a moral judge like God – rewarding good little children and refusing to reward the bad ones.
  • Santa is served by others like God is – he has his group of elves at his beck and call.
  • Santa personifies love, good will, and giving – just as God does.
  • Santa is revered by his worshipful subjects – a response suitable for our exalted Creator alone!
In these and other ways, the mythical Santa Claus has become a god, since he has superhuman attributes. This constitutes an offense against the true and living God. "Yahweh is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols: but Yahweh made the heavens" (Ps. 96:4,5). If parents tell their children to believe in both Santa Claus and Jesus Christ, and then later reveal that Santa is not real, could their faith in Jesus be undermined? Could they possibly place Jesus in the same category as a mythological Santa?

Nothing eternal is to be gained in believing a lie except eventual disillusionment. Nothing is more precious than truth. Let’s remember the virtue of honesty at Christmas-time.

 
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So, honesty. It is supposedly the best policy. What's wrong with a little illusion though? Would your deprive your children of the joy of Farie Tales because they are 'lies'? How about their love of the (ew) Teletubbies? Do you tell them that they are justmen in suits? How far do you (are you) willing to go to not lie to your children?


Better yet, how about when they ask where babies come from? You'd tell them that Ginny the Gerbil died being eaten by the cat, or possibly substitue something less graphic?
 
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What do you mean there is no santa claus! sob sob.

But seriously, 1 John 5 .3, your arguments could easily be used to put down Jesus' use of parables.

My Children are 7 & 9, it is brilliant. They have stopped believing but, they dont let us know they have. Well not openly.

There is glint in our eyes and a rye smile on our faces, which betrays the fact that we both know the truth.

Anyway, God used loads of lies in the furtherence of his will.

Look at how the 2 jewish midwives, lied to Pharoh about how they were unable to kill the jewish infants at birth. Thus ensuring Moses and eventually Jesus would be born.

There are more if you would like me to look them up.

God wants us to celebrate the birth of his son, and this is how our culture has developed this celebration,
I value my roots and traditions.
 
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Here is the true account of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker:​

6/19 December​
Holy Hierarch Nicholas the Wonderworker, Archbishop of Myra in Lycia, was glorified as a great saint of God. He was born in the city of Patara in Lycia (on the southern coast of the peninsula of Asia Minor). He was the only son of the pious Theophanes and Nona, who had promised to dedicate him to God. The child Nicholas, fruit of prolonged prayer offered to the Lord by the childless couple, shone forth to the people his future glory as a great miracle-worker. Immediately after giving birth to him, his mother Nona was healed of sickness. From infancy, St. Nicholas set out on a life of fasting. On Wednesdays and Fridays, he accepted his mother’s milk only once, after his parents’ evening prayers.
From childhood, Nicholas became accomplished in learning Divine Scripture. During the day, he did not leave the church, and at night he prayed and read books, building within himself a worthy home for the Holy Spirit. His uncle, Bishop Nicholas of Patara, rejoiced in his spiritual accomplishments. He tonsured Nicholas as a reader, then elevated him to the priesthood, and made him his assistant, assigning him to educate the flock. In serving the Lord, the youth was on fire with the Spirit. In his proficiency with respect to questions of faith, he was like an elder and evoked amazement and profound respect on the part of the faithful. Constantly working and vigilant, remaining in prayer without ceasing, the presbyter Nicholas showed great charity toward his flock, coming to the aid of the suffering, and giving all he possessed to the poor. Hearing of the bitter need and poverty of a formerly wealthy resident of his city, St. Nicholas saved him from committing a great sin. The despondent parent of three adult daughters was contemplating giving them over to a life of fornication in order to stave off starvation. Sorrowing over the perishing sinner, the Holy Hierarch secretly threw three bags of gold through his window during the night, and thereby saved the family from degradation and spiritual ruin. Holy Hierarch Nicholas always strove to do acts of charity in secret, and to hide his acts of kindness.
Upon setting out to venerate the holy sites in Jerusalem, the bishop of Patara entrusted the administration of his flock to St. Nicholas, who assiduously carried out his assignment with love. When the bishop returned, St. Nicholas in turn asked his blessing to travel to the Holy Land. Along the way, the saint predicted the coming of a storm which would put the ship in danger of sinking, for he had seen the devil himself board the ship. In answer to the pleas of the despairing travelers, he used his prayer to calm the waves. By his prayers, a ship’s crewmember who sustained fatal injuries in a fall from the mast was restored to health.


At the ancient city of Jerusalem, St. Nicholas ascended Golgotha and gave thanks to the Savior of mankind. He bowed down and prayed at all of the holy sites. At night, upon the approach of the great pilgrim, the locked doors of the church on Mt. Zion opened by themselves. Having gone to all of the holy sites connected with the earthly service of the Son of God, St. Nicholas decided to go off into the dessert. He was stopped by a Divine voice which directed that he return to his homeland. Drawn to a life of silence, upon his return to Lycia the saint joined the brotherhood of a monastery known as Holy Zion. However, the Lord once again announced to him that a different path awaited him: “Nicholas, this is not field from which I expect you to bring forth My expected fruit. Turn and go back into the world, that My Name will be glorified in you.” In a vision, the Lord gave him the Gospels, bound in a richly decorated cover, and the Most-Holy Mother of God gave him an omophorion.
 
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(cont.)

And so it came to pass: After the death of Archbishop John, one of the bishops in the Council deciding who was to chosen to be the new archbishop was shown in a vision that the chosen one of God was St. Nicholas; thereafter, he was chosen to be bishop of Myra in Lycia. Called to shepherd the Church of God in the dignity of a hierarch, Holy Hierarch Nicholas remained the same great spiritual struggler, manifesting to his flock the image of meekness, mildness and love towards man. This was especially valuable to the Church of Lycia during the period of persecution of Christians in the reign of emperor Diocletian (284-305). Bishop Nicholas, locked up in prison together with other Christians, lent them support, and exhorted them to firmly endure their bonds, trials and torture. The Lord kept him from harm. After the coronation of the Equal-to-the-Apostles Constantine, Nicholas was returned to his flock, which joyously greeted its teacher and intercessor. Despite his great meekness of spirit and purity of heart, Holy Hierarch Nicholas was a zealous and courageous warrior of the Church of Christ. Doing battle with the spirits of evil, the Holy Hierarch visited the pagan temples of the city of Myra and the surrounding area, smashing the idols and turning their temples into rubble. In 325, Holy Hierarch Nicholas was a participant in the 1st Ecumenical Council, at which the Nicene Creed was adopted, and along with Sts. Sylvester, Pope of Rome, Alexander of Alexandria, Spyridon of Trimethus, and others among the 318 Holy Fathers of the Council, he took up arms against the heretic Arius.
Burning with zeal for the Lord, and in the heat of denouncing Arius, the Holy Hierarch Nicholas even boxed the ears of the teacher of false doctrine. For this, he was stripped of his episcopal omophorion and placed under guard. However, several of the holy fathers had a vision in which the Lord Himself and the Mother of God consecrated the Saint a bishop, handing him the Gospels and the omophorion. The Fathers of the Council, perceiving that the Holy Hierarch’s zeal and daring were pleasing to God, glorified God, and restored His Saint to his episcopal rank. Returning to his diocese, the Holy Hierarch brought to it peace and blessing, sowing the word of Truth, cutting off at the roots incorrect thinking and vain philosophizing, denouncing entrenched heretics and tending to those who had unknowingly fallen and turned away from the path. He was truly a light for the world and the salt of the earth, for his life was bright and his word was permeated with the salt of wisdom.

During his lifetime, the Holy Hierarch worked many miracles. From among them, he garnered the most fame for saving from death three men unjustly condemned by a greedy town governor. The Holy Hierarch bravely approached the executioner and held back the sword, which was already raised over the heads of the condemned. Having his injustice unmasked by Holy Hierarch Nicholas, the town governor repented and asked his forgiveness. Three military leaders sent by Emperor Constantine to Phrygia were also present. They could not yet have imagined that, having been slandered before the Emperor and condemned to death, they would soon likewise seek the intercession of Holy Hierarch Nicholas. Holy Hierarch Nicholas appeared to Equal-to-the-Apostles Constantine and challenged him to release the unjustly condemned military leaders who, lying in prison, were prayerfully entreating the Saint for his help. He worked many other miracles during the long years of his service. By the prayers of the Holy Hierarch, the city of Myra was saved from a great famine. He appeared to a certain Italian merchant, and giving him three gold coins (which, upon awaking, the merchant found in his hand), he asked the merchant to bring his ship to Myra, and there sell his grain. On many occasions, the Holy Hierarch saved those drowning at sea, and set free those in prisons and dungeons.

Having lived to a very old age, Holy Hierarch Nicholas peacefully departed to the Lord (+345-351). His honorable and incorrupt relics were kept in the local cathedral church and exuded health-giving myrrh, from which many received healings. In 1087, his relics were translated to the Italian city of Bari, where they remain to this day (see 9 May for an account of the translation.)
 
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