Sandy Hook hoax

[Edial]

If your daughter is murdered this morning and you laugh and joke and then "get into the role" before the cameras, how would you interpret it?

That whole case certainly looks like a hoax packed with actors from top to bottom.

We lie way too much.

 

[LastSeven]

I agree that it's one of those cases with a lot of important contradictions being reported, and an extreme lack of evidence in the form of videos or photos being presented to the public, as well as reports of standard procedures not being followed and inexplicable denials to first responders to follow their own procedures, and the very limited yet strange interviews we've seen, that makes this entire thing look extremely suspicious.

Here's a good summary of the problems with this case.
http://memoryholeblog.com/2012/12/2...unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/

 

[The Cadet]

Obligatory counterpoint: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-sandy-hook-newtown-conspiracy-hoax.t1074/

Also, cui bono? What purpose does this shooting serve? To take our guns? Mass shootings have a notoriously lousy track record of convincing the supreme court to overturn their rulings.

 

[Edial]

Obligatory counterpoint: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-sandy-hook-newtown-conspiracy-hoax.t1074/

Also, cui bono? What purpose does this shooting serve? To take our guns? Mass shootings have a notoriously lousy track record of convincing the supreme court to overturn their rulings.

Actually it is impossible to debunk Sandy Hook because what the debunk sites do is pick a certain point (like a man in the woods), shoot if full of holes and proclaim that the whole Sandy Hook is a gospel.
It does not work this way.
If you and I would be a part of jury, there is no evidence any of this took place and every step that media claimed happened collapses by itself.

It is like saying one believes that the passport of a 911 hijacker was found at 911 site while the whole plane disintegrated. I am not making fun of anyone believing the 911 passport finds, since I was one of the people who used to believe it.

What is the purpose of this hoax? To take the guns away? I do not think so. Such things actually encourage purchasing more guns.
I would say it is a type of a governmental training.
Real, live training where the population needs to think events actually are what they are claimed to be by the media. A TV reality show where we are given an impression of a reality while actors know that the cameras are rolling.
There is also controlled violence that is allowed to be done by fringe elements.

Ferguson was packed with actors, Boston marathon ...

In my opinion, of course.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Chicken Little]

talk about conspiracy theories that turned out to be true.... of all the theories that could have turned out to be true . these will scare the poop out of you. yes " scientist and their pet guberment are only in it "for your good"! 8(

my bones by bones.. the treacherous dealers have dealt treachery.

 

[The Cadet]

Actually it is impossible to debunk Sandy Hook because what the debunk sites do is pick a certain point (like a man in the woods), shoot if full of holes and proclaim that the whole Sandy Hook is a gospel.
It does not work this way.

That's exactly backwards, at least from my experience.

The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is taking the "official story" and pointing to a handful of little issues that don't seem to add up. Rarely if ever is a coherent alternative presented and evidenced - it is merely taken as a given that if the official story is falsified, the preferred alternative must be true. I mean, look how you started the thread: merely a video ostensibly showing someone laughing. Debunking these sorts of disparate points is absolutely valid in addressing conspiracy theories.

It is like saying one believes that the passport of a 911 hijacker was found at 911 site while the whole plane disintegrated. I am not making fun of anyone believing the 911 passport finds, since I was one of the people who used to believe it.

They found relatively unharmed seats as well, and other paper documents. It's unlikely but not unrealistic.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I will have to put on a tin foil hat on this Sandy Hill deal, because I watched a few documentaries on this one just this past week. And did so for no rhyme or reason other than I just so happen to fall upon one. And after my curiousity was peeked at the strangeness of the whole ordeal and as youtube goes I was led to other vids and that was it for me.

It was also weird that DHS was in the neighborhood that day doing a drill for the endangerment of children.

Havent they been in the neighborhood before when other some stuff has ironically gone wrong? Or had supposedly?

The one video I had watched, I forget which though (it was a couple of hours long) had pointed that out and the other times and I thought, wow, yeah, that had been pointed out at other times.

A few of you might know what I am talking about better then me, because I never looked into this one, I would have never of thought there was anything suspicious about it (because I wasnt paying that close attention to it).

I'm still in shock mode so I wont be great contributer to the conversation or anything, but I was like, wow, wow, wow...with quite a few no way's through the whole thing.

 

[Ironhold]

Snopes.com search results for "Sandy Hook"

Yeah - a lot of conspiracies about Sandy Hook have since been debunked.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Post away the debunks, I'll graze them

 

[Chicken Little]

and you believe snopes..

 

[Fireinfolding]

Is that a question?

 

[LastSeven]

Just because you can't prove an alternative to the official story, doesn't mean the official story is true.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Snopes brought in a few I hadnt even heard of yet, and adressed a few I didnt see as that important (but added to the overall of the thing) except for the rifle in the vehicle part and one other one I was curious about. Their lousy coverage of the whole thing deserved all the hassle they got (if you ask me).

These are the two longer ones I watched just this week (which I thought were well done) for the most part, I could definately see where the questions come in through them.

And a more recent one

There were a few more shorter ones I watched after searching on a few other questions I was curious about.

 

[Btodd]

Just because you can't prove an alternative to the official story, doesn't mean the official story is true.

While this is technically true, it is also the bane of conspiracy theories, including this one. If the 'official' story isn't proven to one's personal satisfaction, on every single piece of the story, then it's a conspiracy.

But the conspiracy theory doesn't have to be proven at all. It's just accepted blindly, no questions asked.


Btodd

 

[Edial]

While this is technically true, it is also the bane of conspiracy theories, including this one. If the 'official' story isn't proven to one's personal satisfaction, on every single piece of the story, then it's a conspiracy.

But the conspiracy theory doesn't have to be proven at all. It's just accepted blindly, no questions asked.
Btodd

Not necessarily. Some people do believe that whenever things go boom at night it has to be a conspiracy.
but then there are really weird things and you just like ... what?
For example ... take Boston Marathon bombing.
This is an ABC video that had extra blood added by their computer animation ...
We can certainly say that there at least a media conspiracy ... quality HD video and just ignore the suspense music.

or FOXNews admitting that beheading videos were probably fake because the shadows did not match ...
and then even saying that all of them were probably made in the same studio ...
I am not saying there were no beheadings, I am saying the videos were a staged fake.

 

[Btodd]

Not necessarily. Some people do believe that whenever things go boom at night it has to be a conspiracy.
but then there are really weird things and you just like ... what?
For example ... take Boston Marathon bombing.
This is an ABC video that had extra blood added by their computer animation ...
We can certainly say that there at least a media conspiracy ... quality HD video and just ignore the suspense music.

That's quite obviously a piece of red cloth or paper...not supposed to be blood, doesn't look like blood, and not claimed to be blood. YOU (or at least first, the makers of that video) claimed that.

Which makes my point. Conspiracy theorists have an enormous double-standard on how much evidence is needed to affirm an 'official' story, as opposed to how little evidence is needed to conclude, 'Giant conspiracy complete with paid crisis actors'. How about taking that skepticism and applying it evenly to both sides?

I didn't watch the Fox News one yet, but I have no problem with the idea that ISIS would use beheading videos as propaganda for their cause.

So, remember what I pointed out in my now locked thread about conspiracy theories...the biggest indicator of believing in one is believing in others. It's a worldview moreso than it is a reaction to one particular event. Earlier in this thread, we can see a quote that lumps the Boston Bombing, Sandy Hook and Aurora events all in the same category...False Flag. It's merely making every major atrocity fit the narrative, after the fact. Confirmation bias.


Btodd

 

[morningstar2651]

That whole case certainly looks like a hoax packed with actors from top to bottom.

Are you saying that Adam Lanza did not fatally shoot 20 children and 6 staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

 

[morningstar2651]

I'd prefer to let Edial explain his position in his own words - it may be a miscommunication.

Adam Lanza murdered over 20 people before taking his own life, and he left behind grieving families that had to bury their dead children. Accusing grieving families of participating in a hoax where they faked the murder of their children is insensitive.

It reminds me of a conspiracy theorist I met some years ago on a Pagan forum that was convinced that the 9/11 terror attacks never happened and that everyone who had died was actually alive and just hidden. I assured him that I had been to ground zero and seen the wreckage with my own eyes, but that only convinced him I was in on the conspiracy.

 

[Edial]

Are you saying that Adam Lanza did not fatally shoot 20 children and 6 staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

There is a way of mixing a truth with a lie and that what conspiracies are doing.
There is no longer such a thing that a TV report may be taken at face value.

At my opening post I showed an Robbie Parker laughing and joking just hours after his child was supposedly murdered in a most gruesome way.
And then as the cameras started rolling he was clearly, clearly getting into a role of a grieving parent.

Conspiracies are exposing the lies or inconsistencies within events.
Conspiracies are not saying things did not happen.

I cannot say Adam Lanza did not kill anyone unless I can show Adan Lanza was a fictitious character in that event. Then it is someone else who killed them.
I also cannot say that all those children died based on what we have. Since some parents are acting completely abnormal and some actual actors were found.
We also cannot say they did not die.
Media told us they died and showed only one photo of a small group of children leaving the school while there was supposed to be an evacuation of 600 children.

We all know today that Kennedy was killed with more than one bullet, yet even today, including reporters like Brian Williams and even anchors were commenting that he was killed with 1 bullet and one shooter.

Malaysian 370 disappearance. A photo was found of a CNN reporter chatting with that same pilot in a cockpit of a plane months before the event.
And then that same reporter covered the disappearance of Malaysian 370.
When CNN was approached - co-incidence, they said.
Co-insidence? What are the odds of a CNN United States based reporter having a chat with the same Malaysian Airlines pilot in a plane 2 months prior to disappearance of 370 and then covering the event?
One in a billion? Trillion?

The whole world is a stage, Shakespeare said.
I would rephrase it - the whole world is a reality show with cameras rolling.

 

[Ironhold]

What are the odds that one human being, in their lifetime, will:

*Be the first one on the scene at two catastrophic drunk-driving accidents, one of which yielded a fatality

*Be on the scene to save their neighbors from a fire

*Be the first one on the scene after a falling tree takes down an electrical ground wire

*Narrowly avoid getting hit by a train

*Become the target of a counter-cult ministry

*Rack up a string of contacts that includes both a prominent religion reporter *and* a prominent super model

*Single-handedly push a car up a hill

*Single-handedly pull a Humvee out of a ditch

*Have a popular webcomic artist take a shot at you in one of their comic strips

*Get a reporter to knuckle under with a single e-mail pointing out how outdated their research is on a topic



The simple truth of the matter is that things happen. Coincidences are far more common than people believe. In this case, it's not that hard to believe that a reporter who was tasked with covering a specific set of topics kept crossing paths with the same person.