Sanders VS Clinton

[Armoured]

It is actually thou shall not commit murder. God orders plenty of people to kill other's. He even dishes out some genocide both through people and by his own hand.

As a soldier who has actually killed people, I find the dogmatic misrepresentation of the fifth commandment to be "thou shalt not kill" deeply offensive, upsetting, and bordering on what SJWs might refer to as "triggering"

But who cares about stuff like that when you need to claim a Biblical mandate for a political wedge issue?

 

[Armoured]

Interestingly enough, the Bible itself shows that causing an accidental miscarriage doesn't carry the same penalty as causing an accidental death.

Which is the ultimate inconvenient fact to those who claim "abortion is wrong because the Bible SAYS!"

I agree abortion is wrong. But the Bible doesn't say that.

 

[LoAmmi]

Which is the ultimate inconvenient fact to those who claim "abortion is wrong because the Bible SAYS!"

I agree abortion is wrong. But the Bible doesn't say that.

It's actually why Jews don't call abortion murder, though traditional Judaism does oppose abortion. Since an accidental miscarriage doesn't carry the same penalty as an accidental death, then logically it isn't seen as an accidental death. It's seen as something else.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Well as for my use of kill instead of murder it was unintentional, english is my third language forgive me.

There are those who interpret the bible in order to live with themselves without converting wholeheartedly to Christ.
Off the top of my head alongside abortion I come to think of euthanasia, homosexual unions, divorced and Remarried, adulterers of different stripes and brands.

This is nothing new.
Even through heavy hermeneutics these things are pretty straight forward if one reads a christ centered heart.
If one are reading to find loopholes on the other hand there are very few limits as to how much one may twist the biblical truth.

 

[bhsmte]

Well as for my use of kill instead of murder it was unintentional, english is my third language forgive me.

There are those who interpret the bible in order to live with themselves without converting wholeheartedly to Christ.
Off the top of my head alongside abortion I come to think of euthanasia, homosexual unions, divorced and Remarried, adulterers of different stripes and brands.

This is nothing new.
Even through heavy hermeneutics its these things are pretty straight forward if one reads a christened heart.
If one are reading to find loopholes on the other hand there are very few limits as to how much one may twist the biblical truth.

And do you feel your personal interpretation of the bible to be the correct one?

 

[Armoured]

I guess that's as close to an apology as I'll get.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

And do you feel your personal interpretation of the bible to be the correct one?

I cannot claim that honor I'm afraid.
I'm standing on the shoulders of the ecclesiastical tradition, greater minds that any mind one may stumble upon on a random internet forum.

 

[bhsmte]

I cannot claim that honor I'm afraid.
I'm standing on the shoulders of the ecclesiastical tradition, greater minds that any mind one may stumble upon on a random internet forum.

Many different biblical interpretations exist, which is why you have so many denominations of christianity. It can be quite entertaining, watching some claim they have the right one and everyone else is misled.

 

[Vylo]

Well as for my use of kill instead of murder it was unintentional, english is my third language forgive me.

There are those who interpret the bible in order to live with themselves without converting wholeheartedly to Christ.
Off the top of my head alongside abortion I come to think of euthanasia, homosexual unions, divorced and Remarried, adulterers of different stripes and brands.

This is nothing new.
Even through heavy hermeneutics these things are pretty straight forward if one reads a christ centered heart.
If one are reading to find loopholes on the other hand there are very few limits as to how much one may twist the biblical truth.

Thing is, Jesus himself doesn't make a peep about homosexuality, that's old testament, and you have a whole lot of people to stoned to death if old testament still applies.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Thing is, Jesus himself doesn't make a peep about homosexuality, that's old testament, and you have a whole lot of people to stoned to death if old testament still applies.

The distinction your advocating for is the same as the one Markion pushed for in the early church you know.

He claimed that the OT preached a different and vengeful God whereby the NT preach a all loving God.
His solution was to dump the OT and only make use of the new.
Needless to say the church condemned him and his heresy and referred to Christ's own words where the Lord explicitly says that he has fulfilled the law not lifted it.

It's the same God revealing himself in both testaments and the moral laws still applies.
The cult centred rituals are the ones that no longer applies.

Do you believe that God who ruined Sodom and Gomorrah suddenly endorse the same sins that got him so mad in the past?

 

[LoAmmi]

Do you believe that God who ruined Sodom and Gomorrah suddenly endorse the same sins that got him so mad in the past?

The sin of Sodom, according to the Prophets, was being inhospitable. He entirely fails to mention homosexuality.

 

[Armoured]

Do you believe that God who ruined Sodom and Gomorrah suddenly endorse the same sins that got him so mad in the past?

The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah Ezekiel 16:49 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy"

 

[Vylo]

The distinction your advocating for is the same as the one Markion pushed for in the early church you know.

He claimed that the OT preached a different and vengeful God whereby the NT preach a all loving God.
His solution was to dump the OT and only make use of the new.
Needless to say the church condemned him and his heresy and referred to Christ's own words where the Lord explicitly says that he has fulfilled the law not lifted it.

It's the same God revealing himself in both testaments and the moral laws still applies.
The cult centred rituals are the ones that no longer applies.

Do you believe that God who ruined Sodom and Gomorrah suddenly endorse the same sins that got him so mad in the past?

If the old laws remain then, you got some stoning to do, and don't you dare wear mixed fabrics. Also be prepared to kill your wife if she accidentally hits another guy in the groin.

The old testament is pretty crazy IMO. The new testament is starkly different, and it seems odd that if many of these things were still in place, that he never discussed them. He seems to go pretty in depth on a lot of topics in the gospels.

 

[brinny]

Neither.

In the end, he was just another Clinton.

That's why he betrayed his supporters and endorsed her.

 

[LoAmmi]

Neither.

In the end, he was just another Clinton.

That's why he betrayed his supporters and endorsed her.

Who should Sanders have endorsed?

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

The old testament is pretty crazy IMO. The new testament is starkly different

So you're with Markion then.

 

[LoAmmi]

The old testament is pretty crazy IMO.

A lot of it has to do with how you are to understand what the purpose of a lot of those "crazy" things was. Hint: Food safety was not the reason I am not allowed to eat a rabbit.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Well to address the post there are single cases which should disqualify candidates in the eyes of Christian voters.

One cannot vote pro child murder and still confess God as almighty the ruler of heaven and earth, the creator of all life without being a huge hypocrite.

This kind of dualism has absolutely zero foundation in the Christian tradition or in scripture for that matter.

There's more than one way to kill a baby. The new guy has taken steps to block our accepting of Syrian refugees and continually trumpets policies that increase the likelihood of war. Are dead babies only significant if they're aborted?

 

[Cearbhall]

I thought the DNC was making a smart choice because I was sure a self-proclaimed socialist could never win in the general election. Now, though, looking at the ammo they used against Hillary and the states that swung the election, I think Bernie would have been a better choice.

 

[LoAmmi]

I thought the DNC was making a smart choice because I was sure a self-proclaimed socialist could never win in the general election. Now, though, looking at the ammo they used against Hillary and the states that swung the election, I think Bernie would have been a better choice.

The thing is, the only piece of ammo Trump would have had on Sanders is socialist and when Sanders laid out his policies, I think a lot of people would have gone that way.

Well, Trump might have pointed out, subtly of course, that Sanders was, you know... Jewish