Colossians 3:17
All whatsoever you do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
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Colossians 3:17
All whatsoever you do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
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I agree that my bottom line is not the same as the Catholic Church.
While there was correction to what I posted on salvation, I do not believe I stated anything outside what the Catholic Church believes. I certainly did not intend to do so.
As far as to the order of the Churches I listed, a time I posted, I don't think I did intend anything by the order. However, as I look at the order again, I see that it reflects my personal view of the order of schisms after 787. I meant no slight or offense by the order.
Originally Posted by mark1
While there was correction to what I posted on salvation, I do not believe I stated anything outside what the Catholic Church believes. I certainly did not intend to do so.
As far as to the order of the Churches I listed, a time I posted, I don't think I did intend anything by the order. However, as I look at the order again, I see that it reflects my personal view of the order of schisms after 787. I meant no slight or offense by the order.
Originally Posted by mark1
MY BOTTOM LINE
There is one true Church and faith. It has been defined by the Holy Spirit. It is clearly stated in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and in the 7 councils of the unified Church. My view is not popular, by I do agree with many Anglicans of the last century that the true Church is divided. In many sense, there is indeed true Church in all the apostolic churches. So, the Church is divided EO, RCC, Anglican and apostolic Protestant (primarily Lutheran).
There is one true Church and faith. It has been defined by the Holy Spirit. It is clearly stated in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and in the 7 councils of the unified Church. My view is not popular, by I do agree with many Anglicans of the last century that the true Church is divided. In many sense, there is indeed true Church in all the apostolic churches. So, the Church is divided EO, RCC, Anglican and apostolic Protestant (primarily Lutheran).
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Rhamiel
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Mark, this is a Catholic forum, you can not preach or teach
you are more then welcome to fellowship and to ask questions to learn about the Catholic faith
I do not say this with bitterness of hate, but this is the only part of the forum that is Catholic and I would like to keep it that way
you are more then welcome to fellowship and to ask questions to learn about the Catholic faith
I do not say this with bitterness of hate, but this is the only part of the forum that is Catholic and I would like to keep it that way
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I agree that my bottom line is not the same as the Catholic Church.
While there was correction to what I posted on salvation, I do not believe I stated anything outside what the Catholic Church believes. I certainly did not intend to do so.
As far as to the order of the Churches I listed, a time I posted, I don't think I did intend anything by the order. However, as I look at the order again, I see that it reflects my personal view of the order of schisms after 787. I meant no slight or offense by the order.
Originally Posted by mark1
MY BOTTOM LINE
There is one true Church and faith. It has been defined by the Holy Spirit. It is clearly stated in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and in the 7 councils of the unified Church. My view is not popular, by I do agree with many Anglicans of the last century that the true Church is divided. In many sense, there is indeed true Church in all the apostolic churches. So, the Church is divided EO, RCC, Anglican and apostolic Protestant (primarily Lutheran).
As to whats bolded. None slight or offense taken and thats what I thought the order might have presumed.
As your "bottom line":
There can be no disunity in the true Church without sin. ~ Bishop Kalistos Ware.
Disparity and division is not of God, so not of the true Church. There is no disparity in heaven or between members of the Trinity.
Divisions we experieince are mans own doing. Its helpful to keep the perspective that the true Church is no different than the body of Christ and if you will, there can be no division from him. Only rejection of him.
Parts that are divided have cut themselves off.
The true Church remains one and is never defined by who is in it or has left it, but only in he who it comes from who alone is perfect and deserving of all our love.
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Meepy
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yes, inspired and helped through. In a way, good works become filled with grace, and thus they become supernatural works, especially with regards to the sacraments. They are not mere human works. But supernatural works since they are infused with God's grace or are helped and guided by it. No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Since God's grace is the starting point of good works, good works obviously have great involvement within the scope of salvation since they are all connected to God's saving grace and the uplifting of the Holy Spirit.
Saying works are just a human fruit of faith was anathematized in the council of Trent.
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