Salvation is an Experience

[servant7777]

Yes! so consider that seriously for yourself! But the real point is, as 1 Cor 13 states, when understood correctly, you just don't yet know now as you will then. So get over yourself. God has way more in store for you than you can even begin to imagine.

You can keep denying what happened in the flesh, it is good to clear things.

 

[servant7777]

You have shown such clarity of your stance, now all that is needed are any Christians ( any at all if there might be one or two) to see what you are denying, and why.

 

[servant7777]

just because no one supports your distorted theology.

Do you think that people supporting your theology means it is not distorted.

 

[fhansen]

You have shown such clarity of your stance, now all that is needed are any Christians ( any at all if there might be one or two) to see what you are denying, and why.

Just goo incubate for awhile longer please. Then come back. At least you have zeal.

 

[fhansen]

Do you think that people supporting your theology means it is not distorted.

Nope, but yours is anyway. And lots of people oppose mine, or parts of it.

 

[servant7777]

This is the time when the correct word of God is exchanged for fables.

If you think you speak a lot of Gods words and not fables) good for you.


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[servant7777]

Just goo incubate for awhile longer please. Then come back. At least you have zeal.

Zeal is to clear all the evil away ( not be perfectly wicked)


2 Corinthians 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

 

[servant7777]

Nope, but yours is anyway. And lots of people oppose mine, or parts of it.

Scripture spoke well enough to show what you deny ( that which is perfect has come) is denying Christ came in the flesh ( distorted according to you is to deny that and confess Christ who is perfect came in the flesh)

 

[servant7777]

If people on the forum wont recognize your denial, too bad...



fhansen:

"Yes! so consider that seriously for yourself! But the real point is, as 1 Cor 13 states, when understood correctly, you just don't yet know now as you will then. So get over yourself. God has way more in store for you than you can even begin to imagine."




That which is perfect came, antichrist spirit deceiver denies it



1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[fhansen]

Scripture spoke well enough to show what you deny ( that which is perfect has come) is denying Christ came in the flesh ( distorted according to you is to deny that and confess Christ who is perfect came in the flesh)

When/how/where did I deny Christ come in the flesh??? You're some kind of self-appointed neo-Paul the pharisee persecuting Christians.

 

[fhansen]

If people on the forum wont recognize your denial, too bad...



fhansen:

"Yes! so consider that seriously for yourself! But the real point is, as 1 Cor 13 states, when understood correctly, you just don't yet know now as you will then. So get over yourself. God has way more in store for you than you can even begin to imagine."




That which is perfect came, antichrist spirit deceiver denies it



1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The problem isn't with Him!!! It's with you-thinking you're perfect. Everyone knows He's perfect. Like I said, more incubation time. Get off your horse.

 

[servant7777]

If we know that Jesus is righteous, we know that every one that does righteousness is born of Him.

Every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself, even as He is pure.

No man deceive us, he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

 

[fhansen]

If we know that Jesus is righteous, we know that every one that does righteousness is born of Him.

Every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself, even as He is pure.

No man deceive us, he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

Thats true. Perfect righteousness for us? That’s another story. But righteousness is the road we must be on and grave sin, breaking of the commandments and deeds of the flesh as listed in Scripture as acts that keep us from heaven, will eternally separate us from God.

 

[servant7777]

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

 

[fhansen]

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Great, glad to know you do that perfectly, always and everywhere, never a slip.

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Matt 7:2

 

[Ligurian]

So are you folks actually claiming that you're perfect, that you love perfectly, that you possess full and perfect justice/righteousness/holiness, that you're perfectly sinless, that you fully love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength, that your obedience is uncompromised, that you worship in Spirit and truth, etc, etc?

Who are "you folks" supposed to be?
Personally, I believe what Ιησους teaches about repentance and forgiveness.
Don't you?

Matthew 5:22-24 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.[23] Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;[24] Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you:[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[Ligurian]

Great, glad to know you do that perfectly, always and everywhere, never a slip.

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Matt 7:2

Quoting verses out of context doesn't help.
That verse is about judging someone guilty of the same crime you're doing.

 

[fhansen]

Who are "you folks" supposed to be?
Personally, I believe what Ιησους teaches about repentance and forgiveness.
Don't you?

Matthew 5:22-24 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.[23] Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;[24] Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you:[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Quoting verses out of context doesn't help.
That verse is about judging someone guilty of the same crime you're doing.

The continuous question has been about whether or not we can and must love perfectly in this life, which would equate to perfect sinlessness. And, if someone holds another to that standard, they'll most likely be judged by the same. As it is the church, historically, has taught that, while we must overcome sin and practice righteousness and not be engaged in the kinds of sin that leads to death, that keeps us from heaven, many of which are listed in Sculpture, absolute perfection is probably not possible in this life. I wasn't sure about your own position, and so asked the question.

 

[Ligurian]

[...]Isaiah 59:21 And this shall be My Covenant with them, said the Lord: My Spirit which is upon Thee, and the words which I have put in Thy mouth shall never fail from Thy mouth, nor from the mouth of Thy seed, for the Lord has spoken it henceforth and for ever.LXX Deuteronomy 18:18-19,
John 12:48-50, Matthew 24:35

Following just the book of Revelations and the old testament is not you following Christ.
[...]

[...]
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Matthew 10:1-7 And when He had called unto Him His Twelve Disciples, He gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.[2] Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter and Andrew his brother, James [the son] of Zebedee and John his brother,[3] Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, James [the son] of Alphaeus and Lebbaeus whose surname was Thaddaeus,[4] Simon the Canaanite and Judas Iscariot who also betrayed him.[5] These Twelve Ιησους sent forth and Commanded them,
saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,
and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

[...]
1 Peter 1 along with every single word of the entire scriptures is for the Gentiles, ( Israel has no light and are in darkness right now/unbelief of Christ who is light but the men of Israel love darkness evidently)

1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
John 4:45 Then when He was come into Galilee, the Galilaeans received Him, having seen all the things that He did at Jerusalem at the feast: for they also went unto the feast.

1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets,

Matthew 21:37-39 But last of all He sent unto them His Son saying, They will reverence My Son.[38] But when the husbandmen saw the Son they said among themselves, This is the heir: come, let us kill Him and let us seize on His inheritance.[39] And they caught Him and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him]. ...[45] And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them.*

Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,[30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.[31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.[32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.[33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
[34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:[35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the Earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias...
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* John 11:48 If we let Him thus alone, all men will believe on Him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
(ethnos = a race, a tribe, nation, people.)

 

[fhansen]

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