I said:
"What I've proven from Scripture is that once a person believes and receives eternal life, they shall never perish. Which really seems to gall you, doesn't it."
You have not proven any such thing.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem then?
Jesus Himself SAID that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. John 10:28.
If you are unable to comprehend that verse, that's your own problem. But that verse proves my claim is true. Because Jesus SAID it.
A believer receives eternal life, yes, and a believer shall never perish.
Now you're just twisting Jesus' words. You're guilty of putting the concept of continuing to believe as a CONDITION for never perishing.
But Jesus SAID NO SUCH THING. He said, in very clear and plain language, that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.
You are guilty of putting a CONDITION on the recipient for never perishing.
Yet, Jesus puts NO SUCH CONDITION on recipients.
You are failing to read the verse correctly. No excuse. He was quite clear enough.
But unless you take into account the many verses that say one must endure to the end, that the faithless will not enter the kingdom, that many will fall away from the faith, you're left with a false teaching.
Again, I CHALLENGE you to provide any verse that in plain language says that salvation can be lost, or that a saved person can perish. Your sentence here is just vague. No actual Scripture.
And the bit about it galling me is silly.
I think it's silly too.
See? We CAN agree occasionally.
If God said that he would accept anybody, in any condition, with faith or without, I would be happy to proclaim that. He's the one in charge.. he can set any condition he wishes.
But He NEVER said that. He said those who have believed are given eternal life and shall never perish.
But you KEEP MISSTATING what the Bible says. Why is that?
You want to pretend wicked people who oppose the gospel are going to be welcomed in, as if they would even want to be in the presence of God, just because they once believed.
What bothers you seems to be the "once believed" words. Well, you need to get over it, because the Bible says JUST THAT. And not just once, either.
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because
they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned
who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Because NEITHER of these verses gives any kind of limitations of time, "have not" means "NEVER", as I proved previously in explaining how your poor examples needed a time limitation, and were NOT parallel to these verses.
I've never eaten snails. So I can say that I have not eaten snails.
However, if I EVER DID eat a snail, I CANNOT say that I have not eaten snails.
I CAN say I have not eaten snails
in the past 10 years.
Do you see the difference? The red words provide a limitation to the statement.
But the Bible doesn't provide any limitations to "have not believed". That MEANS have NEVER believed".
But you don't want to believe that. So you will continue to push your false narrative.
You are talking nonsense. God is not going to call the one who opposes him to his face a good and faithful servant.
The nonsense is your extremely faulty conclusion.
I absolutely AGREE with you that God will NOT say that to a rebellious child, who WILL BE let into the kingdom, as He promises.
What you are bringing up is the issue of eternal rewards. And NO rebellious child will be rewarded. They will have forfeited and LOST eternal reward.
Here's an example:
2 Tim 2:12 -
if we endure, we will also reign with him.
If we deny him, he will also deny us;
The red words refer to an eternal reward; reigning with Christ. That's not entering heaven, but reigning with Christ IN heaven.
The blue words are the result of not enduring, or denying Him. He WILL DENY the non enduring child the privilege of reigning with Christ IN heaven.
I know how Arminians understand this verse, but it isn't about being saved, or losing salvation. Not even close.
My explanation is logical, and reasonable. And eternal reward is mentioned throughout the NT. So don't blow it off.
Same principle is seen in Rom 8:17
Now
if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and
co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
The red words refer to the FACT that God's children will get into heaven, just on the basis of being His children. No conditions. Just being His children.
The blue words refer to eternal rewards for "sharing in Christ's sufferings". This would be the same as "enduring" in 2 Tim 2:12. And "sharing in His glory" refer to "reigning with Him" in 2 Tim 2:12.
I've given a lot of explanations of verses by color coding words and explaining them.
Yet, you've never even tried to unpack my color coded explanations. I want you to know that I take your inaction as an inability to do so.
Know this: truth cannot be refuted. It can be denied, rejected, ignored, etc. But NOT refuted.
Truth REFUTES all lies.
I have been color coding my refutations of your views.
You've done no such thing.
Think on these things.
