I said:
"No, you are the one who claims that believers don't sin, and therefore, only unbelievers are sinners. Yet Paul stated in the clearest of terms that He was the worst of sinners, and he used the PRESENT TENSE, in 1 Tim 1:15."
I clearly remember you posting that you knew unbelievers commit sin.
Of course I have acknowledged that unbelievers commit sin. Where did I say they don't?
I also said that believers sin. As Paul clearly notes in Romans 6 and 7.
btw, how come you won't address 1 Tim 1:15 and the present tense, without any of your favorite "historical present" evidence??
Was Jesus or His apostles ever forced to labor for the Romans?
If this is your best argument that the Jewish nation was NOT under Romans rule, that's pretty pathetic. Forced labor isn't the only way one can be under the thumb of someone else.
Jesus said..." But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Matt 6:23-24)
You are saying slaves of sin CAN also serve God..contrary to what Jesus said.
Not contrary to what Jesus said. Contrary to your confused mind.
A believer CHOOSES at any given moment to whom he will serve. That's exactly what Romans 6 tells us.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
Even though our old self was crucified with Christ, the point is that we SHOULD NO LONGER be slaves to sin. But you just want to ignore that obvious FACT.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
This verse doesn't say we ARE dead to sin, but that we are to consider ourselves dead to sin. This is an attitude, not a FACT.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.
v.12 is a direct command about what the believer is NOT SUPPOSED to do; that is, "let sin reign in your body so that you obey its evil desires." This is a choice. Obviously.
v.13 is the same thing; a direct command about what NOT to do; that is, "do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness". And Paul gives the positive command about what the believer IS SUPPOSED TO DO; that is, offer yourselves to God.
So, you see (if your eyes are open and your mind is clear) that the Christian life is faced with on-going choices about who to obey; sin or righteousness. As the following verse very clearly says:
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
You attempted to show me...your misunderstanding of baptism, one that saddles men with two natures.
I proved if from Scripture. The Scripture that you are ignorant of.
Your "neo" bibles may have changed the intention of the writer, but my KJV didn't.
So you're one of "those" people, who think the KJ VERSION is inspired by God, and no other is. Yeah, right.
What you seem to forget that the original Greek is freely available online and so are lexicons, so that we can actually study what the original language of Scripture says.
btw, it's the original autograph that is inspired. Not ANY translation.
As the flood separated the wicked from the just, so does water baptism separate those walking after the flesh from those walking in the Spirit.
OK, go with that bit of fantasy. Water baptism is SYMBOLIC. 1 Pet 3:21 says so.
It does nothing except to get someone WET and maybe remove some dirt.
1 Pet 3:21 and
this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
So, the "baptism that now saves you" is SYMBOLIZED BY "this water"; namely literal water.
How?
By killing the flesh at its "immersion" into Christ's death. (Rom 6:6-7)
If true, then your body should be dead and in a grave some where. That's what "killing the flesh" means.
No, the flesh isn't killed, as you assume. The Greek word for 'baptize' does mean "immersion" as the physical act, but it was used to denote IDENTIFICATION. iow, when something or someone is baptized, they are now IDENTIFIED with something or someone else.
And that is exactly what the baptism with the Holy Spirit does. It IDENTIFIES the believer as God's possession.
Eph 1-
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is
a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of
those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Would you please address the blue words and explain how these words don't really mean eternal security. iow, prove that a biblical guarantee isn't really a guarantee.
And then address and explain the red words and what they mean, which is the result of being sealed with the Holy Spirit (baptism of the Holy Spirit).
Again your "neo"bible leads you away from Christ.
You are just as free to examine the actual Greek language and check it against a Greek lexicon to see what was really meant by the words.
And yet Paul layed hands on the twelve at Ephesus and they received the gift of the Holy Ghost?
That is in Acts 19.
Beats me. I wasn't there. You'll have to ask God about that. What I know is that when Cornelius and his household heard and believed the gospel, the "Holy Spirit came on them", just as the Spirit came upon the Jewish believers. Acts 11-
15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘
John baptized with water, but you will be
baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
17 So
if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
The blue words and red words speak to DIFFERENT baptisms.
The green words prove that the gift of the Holy Spirit is a baptism.
Unfortunately, the ones doing evil think they have already been saved amid their wickedness.
To their loss, then.
Nobody can "keep their salvation", as it won't be assured till it is granted at the final judgement.
So you hold to the assumption that actually possessing the gift of eternal life isn't any kind of guarantee for never perishing, huh. Wow.
Well, that isn't even rational. When a person is given eternal life, Jesus SAID they shall never perish. How come you won't admit that is a guarantee of eternal security??
All that remains for all of us is...where will we be spending that eternity?
Depends entirely upon whether you have been given eternal life.
You preach against 2 Cor 5:17, Romans 6:3-7, and Gal 5:24.
No, I teach against your opinions and fantasies about these verses.
You still haven't proven any of your assumptions and opinions from Scripture.
