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if you were talking about the pole or as later Christians since Constatine have called it the cross, your right it is idolatry.Jews call it avodah zarah - idolatry
Yes OK.no, I meant worshiping Christ. (guess I'm practicing avodah zarah). I do have strange mixed feelings about crosses myself. So I understand your views on that as well.
I agree on that as well. Again, not stating otherwise, just saying man's assertion of what makes and breaks salvation is skewed by pride.
It's true because well, it is. I'm not sure why you ask. Everyone knows someone who's faithful only in action and not in heart.
Noah survived because he had a heart for God in a world that did not. Not necessarily strictly because of "obedience" in the proper sense, and CERTAINLY not because he read scripture and understood it. The primary mode of determining ones eternal life is relationship with God. Noah, Moses, etc prove that before the scriptures were set as such.
Ha ah. Sorry I just had to laugh at that statement.
That thread was in a
http://www.christianforums.com/t7421595-54/
About the cross.
Ha, ha my foot. I refuted all your so-called evidence in that thread, at least twice, and you have ignored it every time. For example, you copy/pasted two sources, twice, both of which claimed that the so-called "mystic Tau" was the symbol of Tammuz, in Chaldean and Babylonian religions, and that was supposedly why Christians adopted it. The truth is, which you have ignored, both Chaldean and Babylonian writing was cuneiform, and hieroglyphics. Neither writing system ever had a letter Tau, mystic or any other kind. Also the deity referred to as Tammuz was only called that by the Jews. In Chaldean and Babylonian, his name was Dumuzi.
Der, can you not shrink the posts, I can't read them. (maybe just not quite so small) I'd really appreciate it. (it's a pain in the butt to go back and forth sometimes on posts)
Yes Noah did stay on the path that was pleasing to God. But no other people on the earth at that time, did. Why? It was because Noah did what God wanted. He and his family wee the only ones. Noah talked to the people around him, they could have also helped him. But none did. There was only one way, and Noah and his family were the only ones that followed that.faultless/perfect (tam) - mature in thought and action, whole, finished, completed - better translation is complete not flawless
Righteousness (tesadiyq) - tsadiyq is commonly paralleled with the word "rasha". Rasha is usually translated as "wicked" but has a concrete meaning of "to depart from the path and become lost". From this we can conclude that a tsadiyq is one who remains on the path. The path is the course through life which God has outlined for us
SO... Noah was a man who stayed on the path God outlined for him... (not somehow denying relationship with God nor indicating obedience to rules since really there was a severe lack of rules at that point in biblical history) He proved himself to be mature in thought and action among his contemporaries.... yeah... I'm failing to see where this shows me somehow that Noah wouldn't have been chosen.
He was mature, he had relationship and he did the things that pleased God (and how did he know what pleased God - not scripture because there was none, it was because of relationship which is what I have asserted... not sure why you went off on things unrelated to what I said) Noah showed his faithfulness by building the ark AFTER this was already established.
I.e. the bible is not the only way to know God's will, nor is obedience only found in its pages because in the days of Moses and Noah there was none
I'm not denying study is valuable, but by no means is it essential to know God nor to meet his expectations. I am not sure how this doesn't show that the "work required" does not have to be written down, and in fact, was not written down at the time of many major events in biblical history.
You take this over to the other thread, if you want to contiune that there.
I did it is in the other thread.I have, when are you going to start addressing my evidence? If you want more evidence about Chaldea/Babylon click on the home page of the online Encyclopedia Britannica and read the article on Babylonia. As I said, neither culture had an alphabet, therefore no letter Tau, mystic or any other kind.
I see everyone debating weather God is a Triune or not but this is a discussion I have had before that depending on the place could be very interesting and more off the beaten path in regards to most Trinity discussions. The question is "Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian" meaning must you believe in a Triune Godhead to be saved? Now I don't have much to say on this matter other than NO I don't think a belief in the trinity is nesecary..I believe its perfectly possible to be Christian with no doubt and NOT believe in the Trinity, the Gospel message that is proclaimed that you must believe in order to be considered saved and part of Gods flock is simply this "Trust in Jesus Christ and Lord and Saviour and repent of your sins" nothing about the Triune. But my answer I know isn't that complex and I believe that others can add more to this discussion, Have fun guys.
The Trinity.....
Where should I begin. I appologize for not reading all the previous posts before this one.
In nature, three-in-one does exist. Here are some examples:
1) All are aware that water is "one," yet it is manifested in three forms -- liquid, ice, and vapour.
2) Time is "one," yet it has a three-fold dimension -- past, present, and future.
3) The sun is "one" and yet is has a three-fold manifestation --- light, heat and fire.
4) Electricity is "one" but it too has a three-fold manifestation -- motion, light, and heat.
5) Science tells us that every beam of light has three rays -- the actinic (which is invisible), the luminiferous (which is visible) and the calorific (which gives off heat).
6) The universe is "one" and is composed of three basic elements -- space, matter, and time. Space is composed of three dimensions -- length, breadth, and height. Space is therefore THREE IN ONE. Matter itself is produced by the three-fold manifestation of energy, motion and phenomena.
7) The human personality is "one," but it involves the three-fold use of the will, intellect, and affections. Man's body has three distinct systems in it -- the nervous system, the circulatory system, and the digestive system. Yet these three distinctive systems are each propelled by the one life force. The Bible tells us that man is made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). Consequently man himself is a trinity -- spirit, soul and body (1 Thess 5:23).
That, my friends, was from a book I am currently reading that talks about the Trinity.
And here is my personal take: A person has three ways to refer to himself --- me, myself, and I --- yet they are three in one.
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