saints of this and that (moved from GT)

[Rhamiel]

It is all rewally kinda spooky, talking to dead people. Mary is dead too.

She was and Adamite.

Peter did not seem to mind when he saw Moses and Elijah next to Jesus

 

[Gnarwhal]

I always find your posts amusing, but that may be because I read them in an evil villain voice.

Any voice in particular? I go back and forth between Heath Ledgers Joker and Agent Smith from The Matrix.

 

[Lion King]

Tradition is whatever the Roman Catholic church makes it to be, just like most "christian" denominations in circulation today. The followers of the Roman Catholic pope, Ellen White, Joseph Smith etc all claim that their doctrines have been handed to them personally by Jesus Christ even though they clearly go against the Father's teachings.

For example, the RCC use the greetings of the angel Gabriel to Mary as their reason for bowing down and offering prayers to Mary- actions reserved only for the MOST HIGH. Yes, Mary is blessed and is the mother of our LORD-Jesus Christ, but even more blessed are those who do God's will.

"And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Luke 11:27-28

All those who say that Jesus Christ instructed Christians to pray to Mary and other dead people are liars, and no truth is in them. This is pagan tradition which has slowly inflitrated a church that once belonged to God, and it's such a pity when some people can't even recognize such filth anymore. Bowing down and offering your prayers to the statue of the woman called the queen of heaven is evil and detestable before the LORD, just as it was in the days of Jeremiah...nothing has changed.

“As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! 17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble." Jeremiah 44:16-17

Have you ever noticed that most people who preach this so-called christian tradition appeal to human wisdom and logic, instead of Scripture for their teachings?

Like I said earlier, the spirits behind this will pay the dearest cost for they have already been judged.

 

[Rick Otto]

I know this thread will be contentious, but I will ask it anyway.

In the area of professions and the like, some professions have a patron saint that oversees their workers.

Is this, in truth, no different from the pagan concept of household gods?


Steve

Yeah, no different in the same sense that going to a building once a week on the day of the sun is like pagans attending a temple.

 

[Sarcalogos Deus]

Any voice in particular? I go back and forth between Heath Ledgers Joker and Agent Smith from The Matrix.

Agent Smith and Professor Farnsworth are my favorites.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

St.Brendan had a lot of trips by boat, so sailors pray to him because he has a connection to what they are doing

kinda like in many Protestant churches there are mens share groups or womens share groups or young adult share groups

St. Anne is the patron saint of miners. As far as I can tell, she was never a miner.




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[Rhamiel]

St. Anne is the patron saint of miners. As far as I can tell, she was never a miner.




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well yes, some of them seem to be very random choice
I do not pray to saints like that, I try to stick to stuff that they were known for

 

[Dorothea]

Pray for and not to one another. You would do well to remember that.

Christ knows those who are alive in Him, you dont (except those written in Scripture already, but this does not give anyone license to "talk" to them). Pray to the LORD only, nobody else.

Whatever. I ask those in heaven to pray for my family just like I ask those on earth to do so. I see no difference, only the ones in heaven have finished the race and intensity of prayer is stronger.

God bless.

 

[Dorothea]

With all due respect, the veil theme you have chosen really does not apply. That is for living men, to be connected with God, it really is not about talking to the departed having conversations with us. Thanks.

Again, I don't limit those alive in Christ. We're all One Body.

That's fine if you don't ask those in heaven to pray for you or others. Nobody is asking you to.

I started to do so back in 2008 regarding my son's health that's ongoing. It brought me nothing but peace and a burden was lifted from me as their prayers are powerful and righteous.

I do not limit the work of the Holy Spirit, of God in any way.

So, do as you please, and I will continue to ask the Saints to pray for my son and my family, as well as praying to God that I do daily, many times a day.

Good afternoon.

 

[plmarquette]

INTERCESSION.... the sea of glass the saints at the throne of God, Jesus the new High Priest.....why are their prayer chains, prayer groups, why do you ask pastor to pray or go to a healing meeting?

Ask some one who is at the throne to put in a good word for you...,which probably do anyway... mat 7.7-9, the function of the high priest in the old covenant, to make sacrifice for the people, the day of atonement...

instead of picking up on 1-5% of odd things others do, what about the 95-97% of what we all do, agreement, edify...start doing God's work, Matthew 5 the peace makers, rather than the accuser of the brethren or the seat of the scornful

 

[Incariol]

All those who say that Jesus Christ instructed Christians to pray to Mary and other dead people are liars, and no truth is in them.

I agree, the people who say that Roman Catholics pray to dead people are lying through their teeth.

This is pagan tradition which has slowly inflitrated a church that once belonged to God, and it's such a pity when some people can't even recognize such filth anymore.

I haven't seen any cases of people praying to dead people in Church.

Bowing down and offering your prayers to the statue of the woman called the queen of heaven is evil and detestable before the LORD, just as it was in the days of Jeremiah...nothing has changed.

Good thing no one prays to the statue then.

 

[Jipsah]

I would never ask a dead person to pray for me.

Why not? To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, right? So why not ask a saint who's present with the Lord to put in a word for you? I would (and have, in fact) asked an old chundosah to pray for me when I see 'em at church, so why is it wrong to ask a departed saint to pray for me? If I can ask old Sister Kim to remember me to the Lord, why can't I ask St. Joseph for the same favor?

See, you can technical with the word "pray" all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that the LORD instructed us to pray only to Him.

Zat mean that I can't ask old Sister Kim to pray for me? I'll miss that, 'cause that old sister can pray!

 

[Jipsah]

For example, the RCC use the greetings of the angel Gabriel to Mary as their reason for bowing down and offering prayers to Mary- actions reserved only for the MOST HIGH.

Waitaminit, we're not allowed to bow now? Dang, that must mean that all us Korean types are doomed, then, 'cause we "bow down" to pretty much everybody we meet in the hallway at church.

How am I gonna break this to the old folks?

 

[Rick Otto]

Who is the patron saint of patron saints?

I agree, the people who say that Roman Catholics pray to dead people are lying through their teeth.

And I agree that people who say Roman Catholics don't pray to people who are deceased speak with forked tongues ( and then I spit off to one side for effect )

Good thing no one prays to the statue then.

Even better thing if people not praying to statues wouldn't act as if they were while they weren't.

 

[Rick Otto]

Waitaminit, we're not allowed to bow now? Dang, that must mean that all us Korean types are doomed, then, 'cause we "bow down" to pretty much everybody we meet in the hallway at church.

How am I gonna break this to the old folks?

It jes ain't a matter of "allowed to" anymore, that's the whole point of us bein' brothers instead of a pack of pecking ordered cow-towers. (I suspected you are Korean!)

 

[sunlover1]

Why not? To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, right? So why not ask a saint who's present with the Lord to put in a word for you?

Why not put in a word for yourself?
That effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availath much!
YOU can move mountains!!
Besides, the "saint present with God", isn't privy to your voice.
Or didja think that present with the lord meant omniscient?

 

[Incariol]

Why not put in a word for yourself?
That effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availath much!
YOU can move mountains!!

Its actually somewhat insulting that you think people don't.

Besides, the "saint present with God", isn't privy to your voice.

The Biblical evidence is actually contrary, but oh well.

Or didja think that present with the lord meant omniscient?

That would be unnecessary.

 

[Jipsah]

(I suspected you are Korean!)

The screen name is a pretty good clue. And I'm actually only half; mom's Korean, dad's American (or, more to his liking, Southern.) Most of the churches I've attended have been Korean, and I came by the titles "jipsah", deacon, and "sonsang", teacher, honestly. Whether I actually deserved those titles or not is a separate discussion...

 

[Jipsah]

Why not put in a word for yourself?

Dang, why didn't I think of that! But seriously, the point isn't simply getting others to do my praying for me, it's getting others to pray with me. Yeah, you betcher old tin-type I'll be praying, but I'd like the preacher and old sister Kim and Saint Catherine all praying with me.

Besides, the "saint present with God", isn't privy to your voice.

There are differences of opinion on that and I don't really have a firm opinion on it one way or another. But I'm not adverse to asking the Mother of our Lord or one of the other saints to jine in with me on important stuff just in case.

Or didja think that present with the lord meant omniscient?

No, but then again I'm not omniscient (although it may seem so from time to time, nyuk nyuk) but I can manage to hear people talking to me now and then when the wind is just right.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Incariol;Its actually somewhat insulting that you think people don't.

lol, Good thing you're the forgiving kind!
It might've been insulting to think that she thinks people don't.

The Biblical evidence is actually contrary, but oh well.

Only if you read it with a vivid imagination because there isn't ONE example of either Jesus or another apostle praying to anyone other than God, much less a deceased person, not to mention at least one bad example in the bible of Saul trying to communicate with Samuel.
oh well.

I respect that there are differences of opinion.
I'm just averse to letting my imagination color them.