Saddam captured?

[datan]

NOPE!

2 John 1
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

God Bless America is best since it's not God Bless Americans...............

ok...
what about
"The Lord bless you and keep you"?

Anyway, if you want to say God bless America/God bless Americans, say it in your own country, not someone else's, especially not someone else's that you are occupying, and especially not at a press conference with both local and international press.

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

One anyalist is saying we should listen carefully to what North Korea, Syria and Iran have to say about it. Seeing a dictator in custody sends the message that if you brutalize you own people the United States may lead a coallition to come in, outst you from power and capture you. haha.. It would be so cool if this scared the axis of evil straight.

I doubt it will. We aren't invading N Korea, that would be very messy. Iran, doubtful. Syria would probabbly be the next target since they're the easiest and we already have troops nearby.

There are sooooooooooo many countries that have Iraq caliber cruelty though. It would take decades of constant fighting get them all.

This is the problem I was talking about with precedence. What now? Do we hold every country to the same standards as Iraq? If so we now have dozens of countries on our "to do" list, some of which are much more fortified than Iraq.

 

[datan]

I doubt it will. We aren't invading N Korea, that would be very messy. Iran, doubtful. Syria would probabbly be the next target since they're the easiest and we already have troops nearby.

There are sooooooooooo many countries that have Iraq caliber cruelty though. It would take decades of constant fighting get them all.

This is the problem I was talking about with precedence. What now? Do we hold every country to the same standards as Iraq? If so we now have dozens of countries on our "to do" list, some of which are much more fortified than Iraq.

come on!
Do you really believe that the human rights issue was the reason for the invasion?

 

[alonesoldier]

Iraq was numbered 5th militarily and He is the worst dictator or was on earth at the time we pushed him from power. Number one mass murder of muslims in history. He was certainly special for lots of reasons.

 

[alonesoldier]

Im going to bed, It's 8am and I haven't slept yet. I believe it was done for human rights and national security. But thats just me....

night.

 

[Yobi]

just a minor gripe, but I was quite happy throughout the news conference until the general closed with "God bless America".

I was like, what the?

Isn't this supposed to be about Iraq, and not about America?

ok, just a minor gripe, but it really shows what the good general is concerned about first and foremost: definitely not Iraq.

There's a reason why he is a military general, not a diplomate. I thought it was unpolite as well but I doubt it will ruin the moment for Iraqis.

 

[datan]

Iraq was numbered 5th militarily and He is the worst dictator or was on earth at the time we pushed him from power. Number one mass murder of muslims in history. He was certainly special for lots of reasons.

I don't think he was the worst.

I think some of the African countries were pretty bad.
Remember the Rwanda massacres?
Or N Korea--millions die from starvation due to their economic policies.

My point is: let's not pretend he was invaded because of his cruelty.
He was invaded because he fit a certain theory by some idealogues.

 

[datan]

There's a reason why he is a military general, not a diplomate. I thought it was unpolite as well but I doubt it will ruin the moment for Iraqis.

I think an analogy is like addressing a congregation at a church and saying "Allahu Akbar!"

ok, let's not continue this topic...

 

[Yobi]

I doubt it will. We aren't invading N Korea, that would be very messy. Iran, doubtful. Syria would probabbly be the next target since they're the easiest and we already have troops nearby.

There are sooooooooooo many countries that have Iraq caliber cruelty though. It would take decades of constant fighting get them all.

This is the problem I was talking about with precedence. What now? Do we hold every country to the same standards as Iraq? If so we now have dozens of countries on our "to do" list, some of which are much more fortified than Iraq.

We should try the best we can with Iraq's security first, till UN comes in and contributes great efforts in rebuilding. Then we should send our troops back to Afghanistan, that's a place that really need us there. NK should go 6-way talk and I bet NK will be a lot more willing now. I believe Iran has been friendly although they still hold nuclear weapon as a very high symbolic value and great assets for national security against Israel. But we'll need to convince them we'll not attack them, and also convince them nuclear is not the way and will be punished.

 

[datan]

define "punished"...

 

[raptor13]

But we'll need to convince them we'll not attack them, and also convince them nuclear is not the way and will be punished.

Thats gonna be pretty hard to do peacefully. Especially with all our troops near that area. It's like pointing a gun to someone's head, while telling them guns are bad.

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

@ Datan, no I don't. It did start out with WMD and 9/11 links, it's not like one day we just said "Hey, let's bring democracy to Iraq!". At the last minute Iraq was willing to make concessions, one of which was to hold free elections, when they realized we were serious. We ignored that chance at a peaceful solution and went ahead.

The reasons we did it for vary with the timeline, but that's another thread. Point is that we are there now and what it started as is irrelevant as to how we use this as precedence to judge other countries. Question is, using the reasons we now cite of overthrowing an oppressive regime, enough to warrant a full scale invasion of a country?

 

[Yobi]

define "punished"...

Economic punishment, then engage in same kind of multi-nation talk like NK situation, security guarantee from their neighbors. Like right now they have NK, SK, Japan, US, China, Russia. With China and Russia possibly provide NK security guarantee. Iran could get same kind of guarantee from Iraq, Saudi, etc, thou it will be a harder situation since those neighors are not really super power nor that particular friendly. But Russia is pretty friendly with Iran.

 

[InnerPhyre]

The Iraqi people deserve the honor of disposing of this scum. Turn him over to an Iraqi Tribunal. My, how the proud have fallen.....

 

[datan]

Economic punishment,

you mean US trade sanctions?
doesn't the US already have sanctions on Iran?

 

[oworm]

Task Force 21 captured him, that is that borderless group that is chasing bin laden also, it has only existed for a month. I think?? Is that Task Force 21.. their is a new group doing that.

Go Special Forces, Go CIA, Go 4th Infantry!

Ahem !! Dont forget our SAS!! It may infact have been them that done the deed and passed on the glory prefering to melt away into the background like they do.

 

[Yobi]

I don't think he was the worst.

I think some of the African countries were pretty bad.
Remember the Rwanda massacres?
Or N Korea--millions die from starvation due to their economic policies.

My point is: let's not pretend he was invaded because of his cruelty.
He was invaded because he fit a certain theory by some idealogues.

I believe Chinese Communist Party is one of the worst ever, and the most stupid, idealistic, plus incompetent. Reduced a population of millions of monks into mere thousands. Even today the many Tibetans and Muslims are still labled by them as terrorists, others such Falun Gong labed as evil-cults and prosecuted, families threatened. Starved and murdered about 50 million Chinese people since their regime. But that dude Chinese Primier came on CNN TV interview to condemn Taiwan. LOL.

 

[Silvio Dante]

Congratulations to:

1. The Khurdish fighters in Northern Iraq who's Intel resulted in Saddam's capture...

2. The American Servicemen/women who carried out the assault.

No doubt it is a good day for both the Iraqi People, the Allied Military people on the ground and of course the political leaders of the US and Britain.

It still leaves many questions as to the effect this will have on resistance to the Allied occupation. But these thoughts are for another thread i'll put up at a later date....

 

[Yobi]

You see how important this really is thou? Capturing Saddam, look at how Iraqi reacted. That was why I just such a negative feelings about us not capturing OBL, we couldn't bring any historical closure for our victims and to make all Americans happy the way Iraqi's feel.

 

[Silvio Dante]

True there was celebration on the streets. As there was when his two sons were killed back in July(?).

However there is still the fundamental fact that an Islamic country is being occupied by Western forces. Saddams capture will have little effect on dissaffected Islamic Fundamentalists who have flocked to Iraq in recent months knowing they have a chance to have a pop at the 'Evil' American Satan(as they see it)....