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[Nadiine]

Folks, someone is hurting and asking for help here...
Can we put our own issues aside for a bit?

I had none Criada... someone else obviously did.

 

[3girls2dogs]

Folks, someone is hurting and asking for help here...
Can we put our own issues aside for a bit?

I stand by my call to koban to get RL help. Once you do, Koban, you will be able to see through the darkness enough to accept more help, which breaks through even more, and then you will see that God is there, and He is waiting for you to notice Him.

These treatments, these counselors, these medications, anything you can find in real life to help you, these are God's miracles for you. He wants you to reach for them.

 

[BelindaP]

Amen, sister. God gave us professionals for a reason. Please take advantage of their help. In fact, there are many organizations that have professional counselors who are also ministers if you would like help with a faith-based bent.

 

[Nadiine]

I stand by my call to koban to get RL help. Once you do, Koban, you will be able to see through the darkness enough to accept more help, which breaks through even more, and then you will see that God is there, and He is waiting for you to notice Him.

These treatments, these counselors, these medications, anything you can find in real life to help you, these are God's miracles for you. He wants you to reach for them.

amen 3girls. Some things are best left to REAL people in REAL life.

I remember I was being helped by a Pastor that my parents knew and called in to help me. He had a heavy background in psychology and spiritual warfare.
His first question to me was what ended up pinpointing most of my issues.
I was amazed. People here on a forum can only bring so much - or hinder more (depending on what side of the fence you sit on) when they can go back and forth with what they agree & disagree on being helpful.

"you're help isn't good enough, let me help" etc.

There's lots of good church pastors/counselors and professionals in psychology even Christian psychology.

 

[koban4max]

Wish it worked like that, brother!
But - we have free-will.
And God doesn't force anyone to do, or not to do anything.

So my free will is to hate my brothers and sisters.

 

[koban4max]

Here is what I'm reading in your post:
1) You are angry at Christians for not being better people
2) You are angry at God for not making people feel better when they are hurting
3) You don't understand why God doesn't make us perfect and happy even if we believe in Him

This is just how I'm reading it. Please correct me if I'm wrong in any of these assumptions. I would like to respond, but I feel I first need to make sure I understand what you're saying. Is this what you're feeing? Thanks.

It's like this... I don't seem to fit in a catagory of "Christian." They seem to look down on me and some of the brothers and sisters that I've talked to.

 

[koban4max]

Ok, I am having so much trouble posting today. I'm going to try this again.

I was not referring to any of the regular members here in my earlier post. I was mostly referring to all the new lurkers and posters that I see up in the little box up there so often lately, who are not members, but seem to be very interested in what goes on here.

To Koban4max: I really think you need to get some help. I understand how difficult feeling this way is, and God has given us the means to get help and to help ourselves. You have to accept it.

If anyone feels they would like to know what I had originally posted, (people I trust, of course) feel free to PM me.

You're right.

 

[koban4max]

This is sad: We can't even counsel a hurting member of 4U without bringing up what's wrong with CC.

koban4max, the answers aren't easy. Depression and despair are some of the consquences of sin entering the world. Many people, including Christians, suffer the same as nonbelievers. I know that I've struggled with depression all my life.

One of the worst effects of depression is that it causes one to feel completely separated from God. Let me assure you that He is there, and He loves you very much. Even though it is very hard to find your way through the haze of depression to God, rest-assured that He does want what's best for you.

People are often cold and unkind to one another because they are sinners. That includes Christians, too. Even though we are forgiven, we screw up. Thankfully, God is always there to help pick us up when we fall.

Do you have anything specific that is bothering you? We would be happy to help you find your way.

I seem to hate christians.

 

[tkoman]

And yet you call yourself Christian. What does that tell you?

 

[Lisa0315]

The guy is being sarcastic and using the same phrases that others have used about him. He is repeating what has been said about him here. He is "being" what people have said he was.

Just an FYI from your friendly ex-member.

Lisa

 

[Nadiine]

maybe the 2 persons that hasstled me about my posts being harsh can stop by and see why I replied the way I did earlier.....

You're right...i accepted that I hate you too.

Here's what John says about the fruit of a Christian:

1 John 3:14
13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.
We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren.
He who does not love abides in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. ​

A Christian will have an automatic LOVE of the family of God - their brethren. That is the hallmark of a believer, because in context, John is addressing Christians, telling them that the world will naturally HATE them (as Jesus also taught - they hate you because they hated Me first. No servant is greater than his master) - it's the Believers that LOVE their family in Christ.​

 

[Nadiine]

The guy is being sarcastic and using the same phrases that others have used about him. He is repeating what has been said about him here. He is "being" what people have said he was.

Just an FYI from your friendly ex-member.

Lisa

First off, how do you KNOW these things actually WERE said to him?? You don't. For all anyone knows, he's making up fake statements and flames that never even happened.

Secondly, if this is what he's doing, am I his little lab experiment to manipulate in a thread & play some game with... to "TEACH" me something? I am not GUILTY of what someone else may or may not have said or done. He obviously lumps us all together as his post revealed and as his 'teaching experiment' goes (if it is the case).

We have told him to get Real Life help for his issues - and I am not inclined to sit here and be his little toy to mess around with to "teach" me anything about other so-called hateful Christians. (namely when he can't prove to me the horrible things were actually said or done).
I've seen pagans & atheists do this type of thing - so I'm not inclined to find it helpful or beneficial here.

Lastly, he was given kind help and answers to the sources he seeks - that seems to continue being ignored.

All I learn from this "lesson" (if it is in fact meant as one) is that a so called Christian shouldn't be 'setting up', stereotyping or accusing the brethren. But using edification and exhortation to build us up; NOT tear us down.
If I learn anything by this, it's what NOT to do and how NOT to do it.

 

[free2be]

A lot of it depends on which thread you go to and what situations you are sharing. There are so many threads/sections to go to. If you are needing help or just compassion - I would go to one of the ministry threads. Or if I feel wounded and vulnerable, I would not want to go to an area that seems to have more conflict than most areas...and it doesn't take much to see if there is too much conflict in an area for the mood/ability you have at the time. I have been grieving the loss of my stepson. Most of the time I'm in the Blessing Exchange area and the ministry area for grief. On good days when my dander gets up, I go to the political or debate areas. I also check out threads in this area when I'm doing ok and just want to be social. I guess I'm just saying to meet your needs wisely....and pray, pray, pray! May God Bless you brother!

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, ladyt! God bless you, sis.

koban, regardless of you attitude here to push people away or turn people off or anger/hurt people, there's a reason for it...a reason that needs prayer. Praying for you.

 

[Lisa0315]

I'd apologize except attacking ALL Christians as not dealing with other people's depressions & issues is just a false accusation - one he can't even make since he doesn't know "ALL" Christians to begin with.

I also don't even KNOW anyone in depression personally -- so how can that accusation even fit me. It does not.

Attack of the saints isn't what Christians are about and it's very possible that that's what this thread is actually intended to do rather than actually seek why bad things happen to people.
Both comments are negatives against God and then Believers. The source of it is completely accusatory.

.

 

[desmalia]

It's like this... I don't seem to fit in a catagory of "Christian." They seem to look down on me and some of the brothers and sisters that I've talked to.

I know that it will mean offering personal information, but can you share what makes you feel that you don't fit in a category of "Christian"? Is there something you do, or don't do, or believe, or don't believe, etc. that the Christians around you disagree on? And even before we get to that, I would like to ask this first. And I only ask because I don't know you or your story at all. Do you believe that you are a Christian? Please know that I have no interest in judging you, no matter what your answers are. I'm just looking for a starting point for the discussion.