Sabbatical Year

[sevengreenbeans]

Well Aviv is new year and within a few weeks is barly harvest so with out sowing in previous year there would be no harvest the following year.

See my post at #79.

 

[Shimshon]

Leviticus 25:11 A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you: you shall not sow, neither reap that which grows of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of your vine undressed.

In the Yovel, what may not be sown (which I take to mean the gathering of seed for purposes of planting) or reaped (harvested) is what grows of itself, in the wild.

Leviticus 25:12 For it is the jubilee; it shall be holy unto you: you shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

What is to be eaten during that year is that which has been previously stored up from the cultivated fields.

The sowing that may take place that year is of the cultivated fields.

(laughs to himself) funny I think the opposite. I think that if any sowing was allowed it would be in the wild fields 'not' the cultivated ones. EDITED: Then again I don't think you would sow the wild field...LOL reap maybe.

The way I understand Lev 25:11 you quoted is 'that which grows of itself' does not indicate the wild field but that which grew in the cultivated field that was not sown nor to be reaped. If I let a field go for the year it will produce a harvest, just not a cultivated one. I was under the impression that the field would still produce a crop however not a cultivated one. Like a vineyard, the plants are not yanked up ever year, like tomatoes. They are planted and remain. So when the seventh year comes it will produce grapes, but we are not to reap them. This would be that which grows of itself. The reason I come to this conclusion is because of the entire text.

Look; 'nor gather the grapes in it for your vine undressed'. Undressed vines are unsown vines. That which grows by itself is in direct connection with an undressed vine. Which to me implies an undressed field or unsown cultivated field.

I imagine there are crops that are grown that need sowing, like potatoes and onions, but what about other crops that have tree's or plants that remain year round? These would be undressed, but the fields that had onions would be bare, no? Just a thought.

 

[NannaNae]

LOL all nations hare his, the whole world is his. And all his blessings run through Messiah, who is the redeemer not only of the world, but more importantly the redeemer of Yisrael. If Yisrael did not exist Messiah would never have been born. Torah would not have spoke of him and the law would not have led to him. But God chose Yisrael to set apart as holy so that the nations would be blessed through what he did through us. Namely, bring Messiah into the world. Our savior is the savior of the world. But he can not save the world according to his promise if he is not 'Our' (Yisrael's) savior first and foremost.

I don't think the God of Yisrael is going to honor the land traditions of other nations. BUT I believe he will honor the land promise he mentioned to Abraham, that his descendants would be a numerous as the stars or sands of the sea, and that the land will belong to his physical seed. And all the rest of the nations will be Messiah's, who will rule over them. Not make them physical Yisrael, but rule over them with One law and one heart. All his children though faith as our mutual father Abraham.

all this is true


but Israel is but a promise, it is just a postage stamp now / a city state and he has other land too.

I am not sure exactly how he divides land again as far as details.. .. but He gave it away once .

Deu 32:7
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

Deu 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

TO the nations their inheritance .. just like he divided Israel to the tribes.
. do you think he takes it back and then gives it to completely different nations ? don't you think that what is going on and went on in that postage stamp of a nation will be going on in the rest of the world too ?
so I guess I'm glad someone has it all figured out .. so maybe someday you will explain it to us. because I am sure there is lots of great concepts hiding in this subject someplace..

 

[sevengreenbeans]

(laughs to himself) funny I think the opposite. I think that if any sowing was allowed it would be in the wild fields 'not' the cultivated ones. EDITED: Then again I don't think you would sow the wild field...LOL reap maybe.

The way I understand Lev 25:11 you quoted is 'that which grows of itself' does not indicate the wild field but that which grew in the cultivated field that was not sown nor to be reaped. If I let a field go for the year it will produce a harvest, just not a cultivated one. I was under the impression that the field would still produce a crop however not a cultivated one. Like a vineyard, the plants are not yanked up ever year, like tomatoes. They are planted and remain. So when the seventh year comes it will produce grapes, but we are not to reap them. This would be that which grows of itself. The reason I come to this conclusion is because of the entire text.

Look; 'nor gather the grapes in it for your vine undressed'. Undressed vines are unsown vines. That which grows by itself is in direct connection with an undressed vine. Which to me implies an undressed field or unsown cultivated field.

I imagine there are crops that are grown that need sowing, like potatoes and onions, but what about other crops that have tree's or plants that remain year round? These would be undressed, but the fields that had onions would be bare, no? Just a thought.

All other years, one may sow or reap in the wild fields, but not the Yovel. It is set apart for that which was stored up from the cultivated field. The abundant blessing for observance of the previous seven Sh'mitah years in the 49 year cycle. Giving the land its Shabbat.

Laughing is not necessary. To sow can mean to propagate, graft, breed, to reproduce, etc. Cuttings, or by other means, taking seed or grafting, etc., can be done with what is found in the wild for purposes of cultivation. Reaping is gathering.

 

[rick357]

all this is true

but Israel is but a promise, it is just a postage stamp now / a city state and he has other land too.

I am not sure exactly how he divides land again as far as details.. .. but He gave it away once .

Deu 32:7
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

Deu 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

TO the nations their inheritance .. just like he divided Israel to the tribes.
. do you think he takes it back and then gives it to completely different nations ? don't you think that what is going on and went on in that postage stamp of a nation will be going on in the rest of the world too ?
so I guess I'm glad someone has it all figured out .. so maybe someday you will explain it to us. because I am sure there is lots of great concepts hiding in this subject someplace..

Israel is Israels and they shall be the head nation as to the rest the goat nations will be seperated and dealt their consequence the sheep nations will be set to the boundries given whatever they may be given to the sons of Noah who will bring the fatness of their lands to Israel....personaly I plan to never leave Jerusalem and want no land but his presance.

 

[rick357]

See my post at #79.

Missed it the first time

 

[NannaNae]

Leviticus 25:11 A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you: you shall not sow, neither reap that which grows of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of your vine undressed.

In the Yovel, what may not be sown (which I take to mean the gathering of seed for purposes of planting) or reaped (harvested) is what grows of itself, in the wild.

Leviticus 25:12 For it is the jubilee; it shall be holy unto you: you shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

What is to be eaten during that year is that which has been previously stored up from the cultivated fields.

Leviticus 25:22 And you shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in you shall eat of the old store.

The sowing that may take place that year is of the cultivated fields.

wow so native/ wild fields get a rest only every 50 years but only after they provided everything for all animals and humans for 2 full years in a row .. and the cultivated rests every seventh year .
that makes sense.. seems fair! all gives all..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I don't think the God of Yisrael is going to honor the land traditions of other nations. BUT I believe he will honor the land promise he mentioned to Abraham, that his descendants would be a numerous as the stars or sands of the sea, and that the land will belong to his physical seed. And all the rest of the nations will be Messiah's, who will rule over them.

If I may say..


As said best elsewhere, technically, due to tampering and not practicing good stewardship, we've continually had many moments where things have come back to harm us. God even warned of diaster happening when it came to warning others not to abuse HIS Land that He gave them to steward...as he told them not to abuse it...and if they did, He'd kick them out and use the elements/other factors to get the job done

Leviticus 25
The Sabbath Year
1 The LORD said to Moses on Mount Sinai, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the LORD. 3 For six years sow your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their crops. 4 But in the seventh year the land is to have a sabbath of rest, a sabbath to the LORD. Do not sow your fields or prune your vineyards. 5 Do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the grapes of your untended vines. The land is to have a year of rest. 6 Whatever the land yields during the sabbath year will be food for you—for yourself, your manservant and maidservant, and the hired worker and temporary resident who live among you, 7 as well as for your livestock and the wild animals in your land. Whatever the land produces may be eaten.

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Leviticus 26:30-35
31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.

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All of it interesting to consider....especially when studying history...and seeing how what has happened before will occur again, as Solomon said best in Ecclesiastes 1. The land promises in the OT are not things which I see only applied to Israel since they have often been kept in mind by other great minds and thinkers who ended up saving the culture of their day by remembering the need to honor the land itself. Great scientific minds such as George Washington Carver (one of my all time favorite heros in the faith) were decades ahead of their time when it came to things such as ethanol based on corn syrup---and as he already revolutionized the agriculture of the South/saved it and even made inventions used in car doors via plants, he should have been listened to when he was encouraging others to look into industrial uses from agriculture and biotechnology.

But when it came to his work with crop rotation, it was all done in light of what God had said on the matter with how the land was to be treated.

And seeing what has often occurred when the elements were not respected, I'm reminded of what occurred with the Dust Bowl (i.e. "***** Thirties") where severe dust storms caused major ecological / agricultural damage to American and Canadian prairie lands from 1930 to 1936 and other times. With the Dust Bowl that occurred during the Great Depression Era, its interesting to consider what believers in that time were thinking when it came to mans misuse of the land...leading to a drastic ecological crisis that affected people already in DARK Times.....

Surviving The Dust Bowl - YouTube​

Stinging Dust & Forgotten Lives: The Dust Bowl (Full Video)​

For the Dusk Bowl was caused by severe drought coupled with decades of extensive farming without crop rotation, fallow fields, cover crops or other techniques to prevent erosion. The deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains had killed the natural grasses that normally kept the soil in place and trapped moisture even during periods of drought and high winds.​

With no natural anchors to keep the soil in place, during the unexpected drought of the 1930s, it dried, turned to dust, and blew away eastward and southward in large dark clouds...with the clouds themselves blackening the sky and reaching all the way to East Coast cities such as New York and Washington, D.C.​

Health problems were horrendous during the Dust Bowl...as many children/adults servered from horrible breathing...having to constantly wear masks...and could no longer even commute to schools or work. Many could hardly eat anything, with dust even coming into the homes they lived in. With the area so messed up ECOLOGICALLY, it was no longer sustainable for living..and many had to leave to other states (as was the case with Hurricane Katrina victims)--though many ended up feeling that where they fled to had little to offer them long-term since they could not find work and often were homeless, adding to the effect of the Great Depression.​

Interestingly enough, others who respected the land such as the Native Americans warned farmers to leave the grass/land alone and yet they didn't listen...and this led to diasterous consequences.. (more here ).​

Others around during that time spoke and not many took heed. Again, I'm reminded of George Washington Carver (one of my all time favorite heros in the faith) and his theories of crop rotation that sigle-handedly saved the agricultural economy of the SOuth (admist the Dust Bowl era ) and revolutionized the Food Industry. In the south, monocropping of cotton, a soil-depleting crop, had lead to soil degradation. George Washington Carver, while a teacher at the Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute for Negroes, developed a crop rotation that would help revive the southern soil. Carver advocated that farmers alternate soil-depleting crops, such as cotton, with soil-enriching crops, such as peanuts, peas, soybeans, sweet potatoes, and pecans. Through this cycle the south underwent their own agricultural revolution that renewed their soil and in doing so their connection with the natural processes of the land.​

The legacy behind maintaining diverse topsoil types may be lost if the proper tradition is not passed on.

According to a paper read at the 1994 meeting of the International Society for Systems Sciences, this century is the first time ever that “mineral content available to forest and agricultural root systems is down 25%-40%.” Less forests means less topsoil. In the past 200 years, the U.S. has lost as much as 75% of its topsoil, according to John Robbins in his Pulitzer-nominated work Diet for a New America [4]. To replace one inch of topsoil may take anywhere from 200-1000 years, depending on climate.
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The standard NPK (nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium) fertilizer farmers commonly use is able to restore the soil enough to grow fruits and vegetables which are healthy looking, but may be entirely lacking in trace minerals. The inventor of the entire NPK philosophy, Baron von Leibig, recanted his own theories before he died when he saw the deficiencies his methods were fostering as they became the agricultural standard in both Europe and America.

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• Minerals | The Doctor Within

Humans are intimately connected to the dirt and soil, and the widespread misuse of this common resource is causing problems in food production, desertification, pollution, and global warming. abuse of soil is not a localized issue but is widespread throughout the globe; it affects most cultures and most peoples in one form or another. In first world counties it can be most easily seen though the proliferation of pesticides and the treatment of rain water runoff in cities such as Los Angeles. In the third world the issue of soil misuse is mostly expressed by food shortages and desertification.

The nature of the agribusiness system is to drive efficiency. They increase crop yields by using pesticides and fertilizers that find their way into the water supply and create food that is “empty in nutrients and loaded with toxins.” Increased efficiency is also achieved through the use of Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO’s). These crops are not natural and the effects of using such crops have not been adequately studied. Monoculture crop production depletes the soils of nutrients which are not allowed to naturally replenish. This destroys the nutrient value of the soil and eventually leads to desertification as seen in American Dust Bowl of the 1930’s and is seen around the world today especially in Sub-Saharan Africa.​

Studying the OT can offer much to us in regards to knowing how to do stewardship of the Land - letting the land have rest just as we need rest on the Sabbath in order to thrive....

If interested in more, I just got a book the other day on the issue entitled "Food, Farming and Faith" by Gary W. Fick (a professor of agronomy at Cornell and scientist who is a Christian).

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It addresses the many ways that the theistic worldview requires one to believe that taking care of our world is not a small issues. And it's something that many others have sought to do for some time. Outside of that, on studying the OT,Evangelical culture is a very VAST movement and there are plenty of groups with extensive focus on the matter of ecological stewardship. Shoot, they have groups ranging from the Evangelical Environmental Network (more here) or Julie Clawson of "Everyday Justice" (more at Everyday Justice » Environment )....Flourish Magazine (one of my favorites) - and there's another entitled Sustainable Traditions: Home (here). Made up of people from around the country, especially those into farming and within the Mid West. There are a lot of Evangelicals who are Native American and the issue is not lost upon them.

The OT is there not for the history of Israel - but learning how the HISTORY of Israel and how its environment developed is a mini-demonstration on how the world is to function today. This concepts goes back all the way to what occurred in the Garden with Adam and Eve, as best noted here in In the King’s Garden (Gen 2), part two | internetmonk.com (for brief excerpand http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/creation-tabernacle-new-creationt):

The author mentions four rivers branching out and irrigating Eden. Two are known to us: the Tigris and Euphrates, which puts us in the Fertile Crescent of the Ancient Near East. Two are unknown: the Pishon and the Gihon. A clue in the description of the Gihon leads us west to the region of Egypt and Ethiopia. Thus, we are speaking of a region that stretches from Egypt to Mesopotamia.

A case can be made, therefore, that the Garden in Eden is an early name for the Promised Land. Later descriptions, such as Genesis 15:18—“On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, ‘To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates,’” reinforce this.

If Eden is the Promised Land, this supports John Sailhamer’s interpretation of Genesis 1, that the “six days of creation” do not describe the creation of planet earth, but the preparation of the Promised Land, the land of blessing, the land where God put his first covenant partners, to be his temple in the world.​

In the same way Adam and Eve were called to be gardeners of their territory as priests, it was the case that the Israelites were called as a nation of kings and priests to steward the land well - with Sabbatical years being a means of bringing healing and a general principle.​

 

[rick357]

See my post at #79.

duplicate post

 

[Shimshon]

all this is true


but Israel is but a promise, it is just a postage stamp now / a city state and he has other land too.

I am not sure exactly how he divides land again as far as details.. .. but He gave it away once .

Deu 32:7
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

Deu 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

TO the nations their inheritance .. just like he divided Israel to the tribes.
. do you think he takes it back and then gives it to completely different nations ? don't you think that what is going on and went on in that postage stamp of a nation will be going on in the rest of the world too ?

No I do not believe he will reset the allocation of the nations. I believe they are set. Good scriptural find, I like that.

so I guess I'm glad someone has it all figured out .. so maybe someday you will explain it to us. because I am sure there is lots of great concepts hiding in this subject someplace

?? did I say something to offend? (wouldn't be the first time) Hope I'm reading this wrong. I though I already qualified that I'm in the same boat as all you when it comes to understanding the details. In general I believe God works on his timing, and I believe his timing is on seven year cycles and that it more than likely is still running. I see complete correlations with world events and the shemitah. But the yovel is a sticky wicket. Very hard to pin down. We will probably have to wait till the judgement hits and then pray for Messiah's covering, no? I have faith he will provide!

 

[Shimshon]

All other years, one may sow or reap in the wild fields, but not the Yovel. It is set apart for that which was stored up from the cultivated field. The abundant blessing for observance of the previous seven Sh'mitah years in the 49 year cycle. Giving the land its Shabbat.

This would pattern the shabbat command as given in ex 16 that commanded them NOT to gather on the shabbat. The only way they were going to be fed on shabbat was by trusting God would give them double on the 6th day. NO FOOD FOR YOU! on the seventh, IF you try to get it yourself.

 

[NannaNae]

Israel is Israels and they shall be the head nation as to the rest the goat nations will be seperated and dealt their consequence the sheep nations will be set to the boundries given whatever they may be given to the sons of Noah who will bring the fatness of their lands to Israel....personaly I plan to never leave Jerusalem and want no land but his presance.

hey rick you might want to check it out but there sure is a few nations or tribes of people who weren't really always goats! not that they didn't have their moments and or they had invasions that gave them a bad name.... the bible mentions them though quite clearly .


yep I want those keys of David too.. but for 1000 we all will have something like jobs/ ministrations / administrations to help HIM with probably ..
and let's hope your job/ real ministry before him is everything you ever wanted it to be .

 

[Shimshon]

Israel is Israels and they shall be the head nation as to the rest the goat nations will be seperated and dealt their consequence the sheep nations will be set to the boundries given whatever they may be given to the sons of Noah who will bring the fatness of their lands to Israel....personaly I plan to never leave Jerusalem and want no land but his presance.

Good priest! And you give me pause to think. I previously thought the nations would be set. But you make me ponder if Messiah will reallocate the world nations again? Not completely changing them to nations we have never heard or known, but the boudaries of them. Many have taken land unjustly, or upon the blood of others, and even the native americans have done this to an extent. I too have native blood in me so I am not bias or predjudice to say the least. So while I can understand the nations could be adjusted I also believe they will remain. Like the mention of Egypt in the world to come.

 

[Shimshon]

hey rick you might want to check it out but there sure is a few nations or tribes of people who weren't really always goats! not that they didn't have their moments and or they had invasions that gave them a bad name.... the bible mentions them though quite clearly .


yep I want those keys of David too.. but for 1000 we all will have something like jobs/ ministrations / administrations to help HIM with probably ..
and let's hope your job/ real ministry before him is everything you ever wanted it to be .

 

[rick357]

hey rick you might want to check it out but there sure is a few nations or tribes of people who weren't really always goats! not that they didn't have their moments and or they had invasions that gave them a bad name.... the bible mentions them though quite clearly .

yep I want those keys of David too.. but for 1000 we all will have something like jobs/ ministrations / administrations to help HIM with probably ..
and let's hope your job/ real ministry before him is everything you ever wanted it to be .

That would be covered by the sheep nations being given what was set for them in the sons of Noah...Elohim knew these nations and their boundries while they were yet in their fathers loins. On the seventh day YHWH rested...was he tired no...he was finished...funny thing he works his rest in us....When Yeshua said it is finished...he was done...he is the first high priest to be given a chair his work is done....yet he works his rest in us...all things have been done since before they were seen...this rest is made for us.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Though we have no scripture stating a positive command that gleaning was allowed 'on shabbat', persay. We do have an inferred pattern, one of the shemitah.

Exodus 23:10 And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and gather in the increase thereof;

11 but the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of thy people may eat; and what they leave the beast of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.


12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine ass may have rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

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What this shows me is that Yeshua and his followers were quite just in doing what they were doing, eating from the field as poor (dirty nazarenes from the galil). It's not like they were showing up at Elizar's farm to harvest his produce as it was supposed to lay fallow. They were gleaning as was allowed by Torah. That is if you accept the pattern for verse 11 to hold true for verse 12.

And I imagine they most definitly would be allowed to glean from a wild field. I think the response they received was like going to the corporate farm to glean according to the law and the farmers accused them of 'working/harvesting' the crop. Political symantics. And, unfair balances. To me this is why Messiah responded by saying 'man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man'. The shabbat was to be a time where the poor could eat freely if they so 'pick and choose' (pun intended). But the elite clobbered them with the law, unjustly.

It wasn't as if Yeshua and friends were walking through Jerusalem tearing down trees or the fruit of the land for its own sake as well - there was always to be a balance with how things were done when it came to the environment and the produce it made, with certain years determining what could or could not be taken....

I like how they said it best at Let the Land Rest: Lessons from Shmita, the Sabbatical Year ? Green Zionist Alliance: The Grassroots Campaign for a Sustainable Israel :

The first commandment, that the land “shall rest a Shabbat to Hashem” is mysterious. First and foremost, the Torah-mandated cessation of work provides time for humanity to pursue spirituality, whether through learning Torah or contemplation of the world. However, this commandment is not just focused upon the development of the Jewish People. The great commentator and philosopher Maimonides (Spain, 1135-1204) wrote that some of the laws of the Sabbatical Year “are meant to make the earth more fertile and stronger through letting it lie fallow." Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks comments based on this teaching that “the Israelites were therefore commanded to conserve the soil by giving it periodic fallow years and not pursue short-term gain at the cost of long-term desolation.” Indeed, research on how a one year fallow affects soil quality has indicated that soil quality increases in the subsequent years.

However, the Torah does not merely say, “Let the land rest;” rather, it says “let the land rest a Shabbat to Hashem.” Like the commandment to rest every seven days on Shabbat, shmita not only provides physical benefits but also enables humanity to develop spiritually and experience the unity of Creation. It also seems designed to shift our how we relate the Earth.

The Earth is not merely some resource to be used and abused. If we want to live on the land, it is our responsibility to let it rest. The Torah warns us that if we fail to keep the mitzvah of shmita, “Then the land shall enjoy her Sabbaths” — when we are expelled from it and it lies barren. This is a consequence, for the Earth will rest regardless of our actions. If we want to live on this land and receive sustenance and protection, we must internalize the responsibilities of being in a relationship.​

That said, it is interesting when studying the account of the cursing of the fig tree (Mark 11:12-14 and Mark 11:20-26), which is interrupted by the description of Jesus’ cleansing of the temple (15-19). For I was wondering whether or not that event with the cursing of the fig tree occurred on the Sabbath....and with others seeing him cursing wild life, I wonder if others would have had an issue.

And it is interesting to consider that even Jesus seems to have died during Sabbatical years. In example, the Apostle John mentions three Passovers which occurred during the ministry of Jesus (John 2:13, John 6:4 and John 13:1) - with other Jewish festivals acknowledged as well, in th emiddle of an unknown feast btween the first two Passovers (John 5:1). Additionally, after the second Passover John mentioned the feasts of Tabernacles (John 7:1) and Dedication//Festival of lights (John 10:22). With this in mind, it can be said that these feasts can provide some chronological indications for establishing the proper sequence of years associated with Yeshua’ ministry....and as is already the case, it is fascinating to see how the Jews before and during the time of Jesus were following the Mosaic Law for agricultural inactivity every seventh year in the land of Palestine.

For more reference on where Jesus and other significant events in his life occurred during Sabbatical years, one can go to The Message and the Kingdom: How Jesus and Paul Ignited a Revolution and ... - Richard A. Horsley, Neil Asher Silberman - Google Books

 

[NannaNae]

No I do not believe he will reset the allocation of the nations. I believe they are set. Good scriptural find, I like that.

?? did I say something to offend? (wouldn't be the first time) Hope I'm reading this wrong. I though I already qualified that I'm in the same boat as all you when it comes to understanding the details. In general I believe God works on his timing, and I believe his timing is on seven year cycles and that it more than likely is still running. I see complete correlations with world events and the shemitah. But the yovel is a sticky wicket. Very hard to pin down. We will probably have to wait till the judgement hits and then pray for Messiah's covering, no?



I have faith he will provide!

OH yes..

no I had hoped you could add more maybe in another thread and we all can talk about it later... because it is a huge subject all by itself. right .. like Jubilee is a huge subject .. so foundational.. and the rest of us know lots about bunnies...

 

[NannaNae]

Good priest! And you give me pause to think. I previously thought the nations would be set. But you make me ponder if Messiah will reallocate the world nations again? Not completely changing them to nations we have never heard or known, but the boudaries of them. Many have taken land unjustly, or upon the blood of others, and even the native americans have done this to an extent. I too have native blood in me so I am not bias or predjudice to say the least. So while I can understand the nations could be adjusted I also believe they will remain. Like the mention of Egypt in the world to come.

excellent ! wow this thread has been so much fun!!!!

 

[NannaNae]

oops dupicate

 

[NannaNae]

""And it is interesting to consider that even Jesus seems to have died during Sabbatical years. In example, the Apostle John mentions three Passovers which occurred during the ministry of Jesus (John 2:13, John 6:4 and John 13:1) - with other Jewish festivals acknowledged as well, in th emiddle of an unknown feast btween the first two Passovers (John 5:1). Additionally, after the second Passover John mentioned the feasts of Tabernacles (John 7:1) and Dedication//Festival of lights (John 10:22). With this in mind, it can be said that these feasts can provide some chronological indications for establishing the proper sequence of years associated with Yeshua’ ministry....and as is already the case, it is fascinating to see how the Jews before and during the time of Jesus were following the Mosaic Law for agricultural inactivity every seventh year in the land of Palestine. ""

maybe because an oppressed people are a more praying and more observant and listening people? because they are seeking God to change it..