Sabbath

[Searching_for_Christ]

I just wanted to know what arguments and reasons there are for your continuation of the Sabbath? I'm not here to argue, only learn, and I hope anyone not agreeing with this view of the sabbath just respect this and not cause confrontations

 

[Avonia]

I just wanted to know what arguments and reasons there are for your continuation of the Sabbath? I'm not here to argue, only learn, and I hope anyone not agreeing with this view of the sabbath just respect this and not cause confrontations

Just look back and you will see lots of threads on this.

 

[Joe67]

I just wanted to know what arguments and reasons there are for your continuation of the Sabbath? I'm not here to argue, only learn, and I hope anyone not agreeing with this view of the sabbath just respect this and not cause confrontations

Searching,

Your witness from Luther's witness is a concise summary of the sabbath work and rest from working.

"Six days you shall labor and do ALL your work..." Luther witnessed that he had held many things in his hands.

"...the 7th day... in it you shall not do any work..." Luther witnessed that what he had committed unto the Lord was that only which would endure.

Our Lord and Savior said, "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit." He was ceasing from his own labors. In John 17, in his prayer, he declared that he had finished the work that the Father had given him.

It appears that you are young. The full scope of this truth in body, mind, soul and spirit will not be revealed to you all at one moment. Begin walking in what you are given and the Lord will increase your faith, grace and experience.

If you transgress against your knowledge, his justification is of many offenses unto life. If you confess your sins, he will be faithful and just to forgive your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness, day by day.

Do not let the sun go down on your wrath. Make peace with God, each morning and evening, in Jesus Christ.

Joe

 

[sentipente]

I'm not here to argue, only learn, and I hope anyone not agreeing with this view of the sabbath just respect this and not cause confrontations

Which view of the Sabbath?

 

[AzA]

Searching.

I'm sabbatarian -- that is, I acknowledge the sabbath as religious practice -- in part because I have no sense that this contradicts my liberty in Christ. I also have no sense that I will cease to acknowledge that space/time in the foreseeable future. And it is helpful to me.

I enjoy jumping off the treadmill as a consistent practice, and then using that weekly jump-off to help me re-examine my 6-day treadmill speed and running style. For me, the sabbath is the rest between activity cycles. I have found that both activity and rest are necessary for my health and a clear perspective on the world and my role in it as one of God's children.

Others' mileage on this varies. In this subforum, several of the Adventists are progressives, which means that they are unlikely to observe the sabbath out of a sense of legal or other obligation. For a different view of this, you may want to ask your question in the Traditional Adventist subforum.

Peace and love.

 

[Avonia]

I'm sabbatarian -- that is, I acknowledge the sabbath as religious practice -- in part because I have no sense that this contradicts my liberty in Christ. I also have no sense that I will cease to acknowledge that space/time in the foreseeable future. And it is helpful to me.

Others' mileage on this varies. In this subforum, several of the Adventists are progressives, which means that they are unlikely to observe the sabbath out of a sense of legal or other obligation.

What a lovely post. I also find Sabbath a valuable symbol/ritual/practice. Although I clearly wouldn't pass the "observance test" of most traditionalists. To say the least.

I also think there's some value in an evolving relationship with the religious tradition of your birth.

And there's value in joining new communities.

I've done a bit of both. But I've been in conditions that have made this much easier for me than for some people. For sure.

 

[StormyOne]

I know some may find this strange but on sabbath I find that I am at peace when detailing my car.... I also find that I am most peaceful when I am cleaning something, be it house, car, dog, or whatever... I am not sure if it is tied to a performance religion thing or a everything is being put in its place, or what, I just know that I do.... some of my best moments of clarity have occurred when I have been cleaning... go figure...

For me the sabbath issue is a non-issue. The sabbath is not a litmus test of a true follower, I do not subscribe to the end time scenario of sabbath keepers being persecuted for sabbath observance.... so it is a good time to fellowship, or engage in discussions about the bible, etc... Not to mention a good potluck dinner every now and again....

 

[Sophia7]

I know some may find this strange but on sabbath I find that I am at peace when detailing my car.... I also find that I am most peaceful when I am cleaning something, be it house, car, dog, or whatever... I am not sure if it is tied to a performance religion thing or a everything is being put in its place, or what, I just know that I do.... some of my best moments of clarity have occurred when I have been cleaning... go figure...

For me the sabbath issue is a non-issue. The sabbath is not a litmus test of a true follower, I do not subscribe to the end time scenario of sabbath keepers being persecuted for sabbath observance.... so it is a good time to fellowship, or engage in discussions about the bible, etc... Not to mention a good potluck dinner every now and again....

Wow, Stormy. I definitely don't consider cleaning restful or peaceful on any day, but I'm glad you enjoy it.

There are aspects of Sabbath ritual that I see as having value although as a former sabbatarian, I believe that the blessings that many people experience on the Sabbath don't have to be limited to one day of the week. I agree with you that Sabbath observance doesn't determine who is a true believer.

My view is that people shouldn't judge each other either way on this. Those who observe the Sabbath are free to do so, and those who don't are free to regard every day alike, as the Bible says:

Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
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[StormyOne]

Wow, Stormy. I definitely don't consider cleaning restful or peaceful on any day, but I'm glad you enjoy it.

LOL told ya it was strange... but as I said it's peaceful for me...

 

[AzA]

LOL told ya it was strange... but as I said it's peaceful for me...

Is cleaning part of your weeklong workload?
(Remember the Mr. Deity skit when you answer. )

Doing an exceptional activity on an exceptional basis contributes to one's sense of its uniqueness. What if you cleaned the car, house, or dog every day?

 

[AzA]

I also find Sabbath a valuable symbol/ritual/practice. Although I clearly wouldn't pass the "observance test" of most traditionalists. To say the least.

I also think there's some value in an evolving relationship with the religious tradition of your birth.

And there's value in joining new communities.

Yes, I agree... more so -- I think there's value in evolving relationships, period. None of us are static creatures. I can't imagine still feeling in parity with the brother-friend I first met in 2002 because we've both had 8 years to grow up.

And I think the same is true in a religious context. Unfortunately, not all organizations are structured to grow well or adjust to participants' growth.

 

[AzA]

As a comparison point, organizational policy suggests that my denomination would prefer me to freeze in place at 1996, when I joined, or leave.

 

[StormyOne]

Is cleaning part of your weeklong workload?
(Remember the Mr. Deity skit when you answer. )

Doing an exceptional activity on an exceptional basis contributes to one's sense of its uniqueness. What if you cleaned the car, house, or dog every day?

hmmmm perhaps there is a touch of OCD because I do clean parts of the car daily... the house every other day... the dog, every blue moon...lol

Having said that, there have been times when I have super cleaned either the house or the car on sabbath and felt it was exceptional in that it was not something done daily...

 

[Laodicean]

I just wanted to know what arguments and reasons there are for your continuation of the Sabbath? I'm not here to argue, only learn, and I hope anyone not agreeing with this view of the sabbath just respect this and not cause confrontations

"Searching," my only argument for continuing to keep the seventh-day Sabbath as a day of remembrance of creation is that it is found listed among the ten commandments. And since I do not believe that the ten commandments have been done away with, and that we are still expected to keep them through God's power, then that means the fourth commandment also should be kept through God's enabling power. If God tells us not to steal, we refrain from stealing, through His enabling power. And if God asks us to remember the seventh day as a reminder of creation, we should also abide by this request, through God's enabling power. This is how I see it, anyway.

It doesn't compute, to me, to say that nine out of the ten commandments are good and should be observed, but one commandment no longer applies. That is inconsistent. Break one, you break all.

Some have gotten around the fourth commandment by saying that none of the commandments should be or can be kept. But nobody will actually come right out and say that the other nine commandments should not be kept.

Those who accept Jesus into their lives follow the invitation, "If you love me, keep my commandments," and I believe the commandments to which He refers are the ten commandments.

So that is why I continue to be a Sabbath keeper. Because I love God and I want to keep His commandments, not just nine of them, but all ten.

If you have further questions about aspects of Sabbathkeeping that I have not covered, please feel free to ask again. I'll throw in my two-cents worth

 

[k4c]

You go from rejecting truth to out right mocking God...Hmmmm you're on a slippery slope.

The seventh day is a blessed and sanctified day. It was set apart by God at its creation even before sin was in the world. He even protected the day by putting it in His Law.

He commands people to keep it holy by ceasing labor on the day in recognition of its holiness.

God commands us, along with our sons and daughters, employess, working animals and even the stanger within our gates to cease labor in recognition of the day's holiness. To say the day only refers to your personal peace is pretty self-centered.

Just because God uses the Sabbath day to help us understand His completed work in Jesus' sacrifice does not mean He does away with the sacredness of the seventh day. It would be like saying marraige is done away with because God uses marriage to help us understand our relationship with Him.

The Sabbath is still holy time set aside for God and His people of which Jesus is Lord of so remember to keep it holy just as God commands.

 

[Joe67]

You go from rejecting truth to out right mocking God...Hmmmm you're on a slippery slope.

The seventh day is a blessed and sanctified day. It was set apart by God at its creation even before sin was in the world. He even protected the day by putting it in His Law.

He commands people to keep it holy by ceasing labor on the day in recognition of its holiness.

God commands us, along with our sons and daughters, employess, working animals and even the stanger within our gates to cease labor in recognition of the day's holiness. To say the day only refers to your personal peace is pretty self-centered.

Just because God uses the Sabbath day to help us understand His completed work in Jesus' sacrifice does not mean He does away with the sacredness of the seventh day. It would be like saying marraige is done away with because God uses marriage to help us understand our relationship with Him.

The Sabbath is still holy time set aside for God and His people of which Jesus is Lord of so remember to keep it holy just as God commands.

k4c,

It is in my memory that you stated recently on a post that you would play golf with your buddies on sabbath, if it did not conflict with a church function.

You have been brought to see the bodily function of formal church processes on the 7th day just 3 or 4 years ago. The Lord sent Paul down to Arabia for 3 years as the Lord was reworking Paul's understanding. Then he kept him around his home area for a period of time before he sent Barnabas to get Paul to come to fellowship with the brethren at Antioch.

Paul/Saul thought he was ready to teach the brethren at Jerusalem when he first came back from Damascus. But the Lord knew better and told him to leave Jerusalem or else he would be killed.

Later Paul wrote to the Corinthians that we all have known Christ after the flesh. This is a very important thing to understand so that we do not present Christ/sabbath through contention and strife.

Christ is all and in all. Sabbath as a "works of the law" separate from our faith in Jesus leads us to fall from grace. The sabbath must needs be understood IN Jesus Christ. The son of man is Lord of the sabbath. Moses is not lord of the sabbath to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Sabbath and grace are the same quality IN Jesus Christ.

If election is of grace, then it is no more of the "works of the law." If it is of the "works of the law" then it is no more of grace.

We are of all men most miserable, unless we are "elected." Election brings our "works" under the grace of God in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, without evening and mornings, without human parenthood.

IN the resurrected Jesus Christ, both measured time and biological marriage cease.

Joe

 

[StormyOne]

You go from rejecting truth to out right mocking God...Hmmmm you're on a slippery slope.

The seventh day is a blessed and sanctified day. It was set apart by God at its creation even before sin was in the world. He even protected the day by putting it in His Law.

He commands people to keep it holy by ceasing labor on the day in recognition of its holiness.

God commands us, along with our sons and daughters, employess, working animals and even the stanger within our gates to cease labor in recognition of the day's holiness. To say the day only refers to your personal peace is pretty self-centered.

Just because God uses the Sabbath day to help us understand His completed work in Jesus' sacrifice does not mean He does away with the sacredness of the seventh day. It would be like saying marraige is done away with because God uses marriage to help us understand our relationship with Him.

The Sabbath is still holy time set aside for God and His people of which Jesus is Lord of so remember to keep it holy just as God commands.

you too are consistent... wrong but consistent... thanks for weighing in, I think there are several threads that have shown your view to be in error regarding the sabbath.... take care...

 

[AzA]

Searching -- so you can see the range of convictions here.

How do you feel about the sabbath?

 

[k4c]

you too are consistent... wrong but consistent... thanks for weighing in, I think there are several threads that have shown your view to be in error regarding the sabbath.... take care...

Only in your mind...

 

[k4c]

k4c,

It is in my memory that you stated recently on a post that you would play golf with your buddies on sabbath, if it did not conflict with a church function.

You have been brought to see the bodily function of formal church processes on the 7th day just 3 or 4 years ago. The Lord sent Paul down to Arabia for 3 years as the Lord was reworking Paul's understanding. Then he kept him around his home area for a period of time before he sent Barnabas to get Paul to come to fellowship with the brethren at Antioch.

Paul/Saul thought he was ready to teach the brethren at Jerusalem when he first came back from Damascus. But the Lord knew better and told him to leave Jerusalem or else he would be killed.

Later Paul wrote to the Corinthians that we all have known Christ after the flesh. This is a very important thing to understand so that we do not present Christ/sabbath through contention and strife.

Christ is all and in all. Sabbath as a "works of the law" separate from our faith in Jesus leads us to fall from grace. The sabbath must needs be understood IN Jesus Christ. The son of man is Lord of the sabbath. Moses is not lord of the sabbath to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Sabbath and grace are the same quality IN Jesus Christ.

If election is of grace, then it is no more of the "works of the law." If it is of the "works of the law" then it is no more of grace.

We are of all men most miserable, unless we are "elected." Election brings our "works" under the grace of God in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, without evening and mornings, without human parenthood.

IN the resurrected Jesus Christ, both measured time and biological marriage cease.

Joe

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