Sabbath was made for man

[Dunbar]

Do you remember what I posted earlier?

My allusion is to Galatians 5, which comes immediately after the inspired author's instructions to cast off the covenant from Mount Sinai. And, that comes after the same authors note concerning the periodic rites of the Mosaic covenant:

You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
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We aren't commanded to "keep" Sunday. We aren't commanded to "keep" the Sabbath. Paul didn't "keep" the Sabbath, and witness account tells us "This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place" (Acts 21:28), consistent with Paul's epistles.

The 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation not Moses or the Law. There were no Jews in the garden of eden. The 7th day predates Moses. This is a fact of scripture.

 

[Dunbar]

Now, you voice recognition of Paul's admonition against returning to the old covenant. But, that's exactly what you have done.

Keeping the Sabbath as part of the ten commandments would be a return to the old covenant. This is why I always present new covenant reasons for keeping it and as much as you would like to believe the 1st day or Sunday is not part of the new covenant. The days were changed by the Catholics. This is history that they themselves do not deny. Why do you?

 

[VictorC]

The 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation not Moses or the Law. There were no Jews in the garden of eden. The 7th day predates Moses. This is a fact of scripture.

Scripture was already presented in bullet form to make it easily digestible for you. You're contrary to what Moses, the priests with Nehemiah, and Jesus all testify regarding the origin of the Sabbath. What you're calling "fact" simply isn't.

 

[VictorC]

Keeping the Sabbath as part of the ten commandments would be a return to the old covenant. This is why I always present new covenant reasons for keeping it and as much as you would like to believe the 1st day or Sunday is not part of the new covenant. The days were changed by the Catholics. This is history that they themselves do not deny. Why do you?

Answer this: How can the Catholic Church 'change' an ordinance of the old covenant that was taken away by the Hand of God before they even came onto the scene? In order to 'change' an ordinance, it must by necessity exist.
And it doesn't, and Hebrews 10:9 attests to Jesus Christ taking away the first covenant in the perfect tense.

Beyond this, you've now testified that you don't observe the Sabbath. You've replaced it with something noncompliant with the Law that ordained it.

 

[Dunbar]

Scripture was already presented in bullet form to make it easily digestible for you. You're contrary to what Moses, the priests with Nehemiah, and Jesus all testify regarding the origin of the Sabbath. What you're calling "fact" simply isn't.

The Sabbath and the 7th day are the same thing. I know you have worked real hard on this argument but scripture says otherwise. I'm going to have to pass on your scholarship.

 

[Dunbar]

Answer this: How can the Catholic Church 'change' an ordinance of the old covenant that was taken away by the Hand of God before they even came onto the scene? In order to 'change' an ordinance, it must by necessity exist.
And it doesn't, and Hebrews 10:9 attests to Jesus Christ taking away the first covenant in the perfect tense.

Beyond this, you've now testified that you don't observe the Sabbath. You've replaced it with something noncompliant with the Law that ordained it.

I keep the Sabbath in Spirit like John. I often go to the mall and spend lots of money. Sometimes we will travel and go fun places. And sometimes I go to church and try not to get into any arguments. Ah, who am I kidding...it's pretty much just like any other day.

 

[VictorC]

The Sabbath and the 7th day are the same thing. I know you have worked real hard on this argument but scripture says otherwise. I'm going to have to pass on your scholarship.

We've already seen that your opinion can't be reconciled with Scripture. Inserting a logical fallacy in lieu of a Biblical defense isn't going to save your opinion.

 

[VictorC]

I keep the Sabbath in Spirit like John. I often go to the mall and spend lots of money. Sometimes we will travel and go fun places. And sometimes I go to church and try not to get into any arguments. Ah, who am I kidding...it's pretty much just like any other day.

You did not answer the question confronting you:

Answer this: How can the Catholic Church 'change' an ordinance of the old covenant that was taken away by the Hand of God before they even came onto the scene? In order to 'change' an ordinance, it must by necessity exist.
And it doesn't, and Hebrews 10:9 attests to Jesus Christ taking away the first covenant in the perfect tense.

Beyond this, you've now testified that you don't observe the Sabbath. You've replaced it with something noncompliant with the Law that ordained it.

 

[Dunbar]

You did not answer the question confronting you:

I said I keep the Sabbath in Spirit like John. I recognize that it is a special day of rest given to me by my savior. The rest of the Sabbath is learning to believe in Jesus for Salvation and putting no confidence in the flesh. The Catholic church did change the days. Would you like me to spam you all the references like a spiritual noob?

 

[VictorC]

I said I keep the Sabbath in Spirit like John. I recognize that it is a special day of rest given to me by my savior. The rest of the Sabbath is learning to believe in Jesus for Salvation and putting no confidence in the flesh. The Catholic church did change the days. Would you like me to spam you all the references like a spiritual noob?

I'm not interested in your off-topic deflection. If you can't support something that you posted, it become incumbent on you to retract a claim that you know was in error:

Answer this: How can the Catholic Church 'change' an ordinance of the old covenant that was taken away by the Hand of God before they even came onto the scene? In order to 'change' an ordinance, it must by necessity exist.
And it doesn't, and Hebrews 10:9 attests to Jesus Christ taking away the first covenant in the perfect tense.

Beyond this, you've now testified that you don't observe the Sabbath. You've replaced it with something noncompliant with the Law that ordained it.

 

[Dunbar]

The 7th day Sabbath was kept by every member of the early church. Therefore the 7th day Sabbath is part of the new covenant. It was kept by Jesus, all the disciples and Paul and John and no mention is ever made that it was changed or stopped. Would you like to go thru all the Sabbath references in the NT?

 

[VictorC]

I'm not interested in your off-topic deflection. If you can't support something that you posted, it become incumbent on you to retract a claim that you know was in error:

Dunbar, it is clear that you aren't going to support your opinion. Recognize that it is an unsupportable opinion that you should now retract.

Keeping the Sabbath...
The days were changed by the Catholics.

It is not possible for anyone to 'change' anything that doesn't exist within their tenure. Your opinion is dependent on claims you attribute to the RCC, and is in variance with Scripture.

 

[from scratch]

Keeping the Sabbath as part of the ten commandments would be a return to the old covenant. This is why I always present new covenant reasons for keeping it and as much as you would like to believe the 1st day or Sunday is not part of the new covenant. The days were changed by the Catholics. This is history that they themselves do not deny. Why do you?

You need to bone up on history. Even the Bible shows Christians meeting on Sunday prior to the RCC coming to power and even existence.

 

[Dunbar]

You need to bone up on history. Even the Bible shows Christians meeting on Sunday prior to the RCC coming to power and even existence.

The Catholic church traces their origin back to the church at Rome.

 

[LarryP2]

The Catholic church traces their origin back to the church at Rome.

That First Century Christians celebrated the Resurrection on the "Lord's Day" is unanimous, with the Didache (AD 70), the Gospel of St. Thomas (AD 50), St. Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Magnesiums (AD 107), St. Justin Martyr's Dialogues withTrypho (125 AD), and the Epistle of Barnabas;.....ALL denouncing Sabbath Keeping and urging Christians to worship on the "Lord's Day" instead.

You will notice a conspicuous and glaring absence of ANY mention of the Resurrection in the Pro-Sabbatarian posts.

 

[Dunbar]

That First Century Christians celebrated the Resurrection on the "Lord's Day" is unanimous, with the Didache (AD 70), the Gospel of St. Thomas (AD 50), St. Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Magnesiums (AD 107), St. Justin Martyr's Dialogues withTrypho (125 AD), and the Epistle of Barnabas;.....ALL denouncing Sabbath Keeping and urging Christians to worship on the "Lord's Day" instead.

You will notice a conspicuous and glaring absence of ANY mention of the Resurrection in the Pro-Sabbatarian posts.

I talk about the resurrection but the crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for so that's important too. Let's keep Friday in honor of it!!!

 

[LarryP2]

I talk about the resurrection but the crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for so that's important too. Let's keep Friday in honor of it!!!

Really? You think the Apostles were somehow surprised by the crucifixion, after the repeated statements of the Pharisees charging him with Blasphemy and Sabbath Breaking? It is obvious the Apostles were so blown away by the Earthy Shattering Resurrection that it up-ended the entire First Century world. They were NOT blown away by the Crucifixion.

 

[Cribstyl]

The 7th day Sabbath was kept by every member of the early church. Therefore the 7th day Sabbath is part of the new covenant. It was kept by Jesus, all the disciples and Paul and John and no mention is ever made that it was changed or stopped. Would you like to go thru all the Sabbath references in the NT?

Double dog dare you.

 

[Dunbar]

Dunbar, it is clear that you aren't going to support your opinion. Recognize that it is an unsupportable opinion that you should now retract.

It is not possible for anyone to 'change' anything that doesn't exist within their tenure. Your opinion is dependent on claims you attribute to the RCC, and is in variance with Scripture.

You and your straw man arguments that you think I must be able to see for some reason. The 7th day was kept by nearly all Jews and Christians in the 1st century. By the 4th century, Christians had abandoned the 7th day for the 1st day so a change was made. This is a fact of history which you are trying so hard to deny. A 'CHANGE' was made.

 

[Dunbar]

Really? You think the Apostles were somehow surprised by the crucifixion, after the repeated statements of the Pharisees charging him with Blasphemy and Sabbath Breaking? It is obvious the Apostles were so blown away by the Earthy Shattering Resurrection that it up-ended the entire First Century world. They were NOT blown away by the Crucifixion.

The cross is everything to the Christian. There would be no resurrection without it. The life, death and resurrection is the gospel not just the resurrection. Your talking points are worthless to me.