Sabbath was made for man

[VictorC]

Typical behavior of a Sabbath Keeper

Larry, you're misrepresenting someone who has stated early on that he doesn't observe the Sabbath.

Christ's ministry for the most part was still under the old covenant and the new covenant was not ratified till his death on the cross. So the fulfillment occurred at the cross and then Jesus chose Paul to preach the glorious good news of the end of the Law and the old covenant. It's been fulfilled and the Law of commandments has withered and died and passed away. Hebrews 8:13

 

[Dunbar]

Typical behavior of a Sabbath Keeper trying to wiggle out of the insurmountable issues of keeping the genuine Old Testament Sabbath. Surely your contention that it is "Babylonian" rather than Jewish is facetious, I hope:

Let's say for the sake of argument that Saturday of today is not the actual, historical Sabbath. So what! The 7th day is a memorial not a commandment. For 4000 years it was the memorial of creation and for the last 2000 years it has a two fold meaning. It is still the memorial of creation but it is also the memorial of redemption that we have in Jesus Christ and the rest which he offers to all who believe.

John the beloved disciple was in the spirit on the Lord's day and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. John was not in the spirit on the Catholic Sunday or the man made Sabbath. He is an excellent example of a new covenant, gospel believing Christian who kept the Sabbath. Worthy of imitation.

 

[Dunbar]

Larry, you're misrepresenting someone who has stated early on that he doesn't observe the Sabbath.

Oh, I observe the Sabbath. My observance is not rigid and inflexible like most. It's my happy day!

 

[LarryP2]

Oh, I observe the Sabbath. My observance is not rigid and inflexible like most. It's my happy day!

Victor, he even implied that he has a nice big bacon sandwich to celebrate it!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by VictorC

Larry, you're misrepresenting someone who has stated early on that he doesn't observe the Sabbath.
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Oh, I observe the Sabbath. My observance is not rigid and inflexible like most. It's my happy day!

Victor, he even implied that he has a nice big bacon sandwich to celebrate it!

Which begs the question:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7442171-66/
Would God eat a ham sandwich?

Originally Posted by visionary

this question came out of another thread, and they used Jesus, but since Jesus would not do anything but that which His Father would do, I asked it this way.
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[LarryP2]

Which begs the question:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7442171-66/
Would God eat a ham sandwich?






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God hates pork. He hates shrimp even more.

 

[from scratch]

Let's say for the sake of argument that Saturday of today is not the actual, historical Sabbath. So what! The 7th day is a memorial not a commandment. For 4000 years it was the memorial of creation and for the last 2000 years it has a two fold meaning. It is still the memorial of creation but it is also the memorial of redemption that we have in Jesus Christ and the rest which he offers to all who believe.

John the beloved disciple was in the spirit on the Lord's day and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. John was not in the spirit on the Catholic Sunday or the man made Sabbath. He is an excellent example of a new covenant, gospel believing Christian who kept the Sabbath. Worthy of imitation.

No the Sabbath is a pin able day.

 

[LarryP2]

John the beloved disciple was in the spirit on the Lord's day and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. John was not in the spirit on the Catholic Sunday or the man made Sabbath. He is an excellent example of a new covenant, gospel believing Christian who kept the Sabbath. Worthy of imitation.

I have studied 100's of incidents of First and Second Century Christian Fathers using the words "The Lord's Day," and ALWAYS they use it to mean the first day of the week.....NEVER the Sabbath. And it was ALWAYS the day they celebrated the Resurrection and the Lord's Supper on.

 

[from scratch]

God hates pork. He hates shrimp even more.

Even after He declared it good.

 

[VictorC]

Victor, he even implied that he has a nice big bacon sandwich to celebrate it!

When we see a claim of abiding by the old covenant concurrent with transgressing the old covenant, a further explanation becomes necessary.

 

[Dunbar]

God hates pork. He hates shrimp even more.

God does not hate pork or shrimp. He gave Peter a vision showing that all animals for food are clean if God cleanses them. This had nothing to do with the men sent to Peter. Peter was unable to receive this truth but I am and steak, ribs, shrimp, crab legs and cheese burgers will always be welcome at my table.

I love all of God's creatures.......right beside the mashed potatoes!

 

[Dunbar]

I have studied 100's of incidents of First and Second Century Christian Fathers using the words "The Lord's Day," and ALWAYS they use it to mean the first day of the week.....NEVER the Sabbath. And it was ALWAYS the day they celebrated the Resurrection and the Lord's Supper on.

No it never did, not even one time. In all of your illustrious learning did you ever read the new testament? Show me in there where the Lord's day is Sunday. You can't because it's not and never was. They'll be making me worship on Friday next as the other Lord's day. LOL

 

[VictorC]

Oh, I observe the Sabbath. My observance is not rigid and inflexible like most. It's my happy day!

I don't think a "happy day" is observing the Sabbath. It certainly doesn't comply with the Law that ordained it. Let's review what I quoted from you earlier:

So the fulfillment occurred at the cross and then Jesus chose Paul to preach the glorious good news of the end of the Law and the old covenant. It's been fulfilled and the Law of commandments has withered and died and passed away.

If you've testified that the old covenant has ended, why then are you "observing" a periodic shadow of the old covenant that exists nowhere outside of it?

Granted, Christian liberty allows us to rest and assemble whenever we choose to. But that isn't "keeping" anything. Maybe we're just having a problem with the terminology; I can "observe" an artifact of the old covenant and wave bye-bye as it passes by, just as I would "observe" a baseball getting knocked out of the stadium.

But as far as observance is concerned, that is all you or I are able to do. We don't even have a Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized to perform the burnt offerings mandated for the weekly Sabbath. And, it becomes pointless to observe the periodic shadow if we've been given entrance into the reality of God's rest.

 

[Dunbar]

I don't think a "happy day" is observing the Sabbath. It certainly doesn't comply with the Law that ordained it. Let's review what I quoted from you earlier:

If you've testified that the old covenant has ended, why then are you "observing" a periodic shadow of the old covenant that exists nowhere outside of it?

Granted, Christian liberty allows us to rest and assemble whenever we choose to. But that isn't "keeping" anything. Maybe we're just having a problem with the terminology; I can "observe" an artifact of the old covenant and wave bye-bye as it passes by, just as I would "observe" a baseball getting knocked out of the stadium.

But as far as observance is concerned, that is all you or I are able to do. We don't even have a Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized to perform the burnt offerings mandated for the weekly Sabbath. And, it becomes pointless to observe the periodic shadow if we've been given entrance into the reality of God's rest.

Oh lover of the law and old covenant there is a new law in town and his name is 'agape'. This law is written into the fleshy tables of the heart and obedience is automatic when this happens. We do not have to strive and work to keep the carnal commandments anymore. Would you rather drive a stick shift or an automatic? I guess you prefer the stick.

 

[VictorC]

Oh lover of the law and old covenant there is a new law in town and his name is 'agape'. This law is written into the fleshy tables of the heart and obedience is automatic when this happens. We do not have to strive and work to keep the carnal commandments anymore. Would you rather drive a stick shift or an automatic? I guess you prefer the stick.

I noticed you didn't capitalize "his name", and perhaps you didn't realize your reference is to Divinity. God's "My law" isn't according to the covenant from Mount Sinai, and your post comes across as rather confused. It certainly doesn't respond to the content I posted to your attention.

 

[Dunbar]

I noticed you didn't capitalize "his name", and perhaps you didn't realize your reference is to Divinity. God's "My law" isn't according to the covenant from Mount Sinai, and your post comes across as rather confused. It certainly doesn't respond to the content I posted to your attention.

The 7th day Sabbath is part of the new covenant. The new covenant was ratified at the cross by the death and blood of Jesus Christ. If Sunday were part of the new covenant which it is not, it would have to have been kept prior to the cross. Do you follow me? Because after the cross nothing can be added or taken away, it is a done deal.

The Sabbath is kept differently under the new covenant than the way it was kept under the old. It is kept as a memorial of something that has already occurred not as a law or commandment that has to be kept or else. The spirit and motivation for service is different. We follow the Lord because his Spirit is in us and the new law of love is calling the shots.

 

[VictorC]

The 7th day Sabbath is part of the new covenant. The new covenant was ratified at the cross by the death and blood of Jesus Christ. If Sunday were part of the new covenant which it is not, it would have to have been kept prior to the cross. Do you follow me? Because after the cross nothing can be added or taken away, it is a done deal.

The Sabbath is kept differently under the new covenant than the way it was kept under the old. It is kept as a memorial of something that has already occurred not as a law or commandment that has to be kept or else. The spirit and motivation for service is different. We follow the Lord because his Spirit is in us and the new law of love is calling the shots.

No, the Sabbath isn't a part of the new covenant. That's why you can't quote any reason for us to abandon God's rest and revert to the shadow that has passed away. Did the reference to burnt offerings escape your attention? Did the prophetic meaning of the Sabbath elude you?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Oh lover of the law and old covenant there is a new law in town and his name is 'agape'. This law is written into the fleshy tables of the heart and obedience is automatic when this happens. We do not have to strive and work to keep the carnal commandments anymore.
Would you rather drive a stick shift or an automatic? I guess you prefer the stick.
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Is that a trick question?

I noticed you didn't capitalize "his name", and perhaps you didn't realize your reference is to Divinity. God's "My law" isn't according to the covenant from Mount Sinai, and your post comes across as rather confused. It certainly doesn't respond to the content I posted to your attention.

The 7th day Sabbath is part of the new covenant. The new covenant was ratified at the cross by the death and blood of Jesus Christ. If Sunday were part of the new covenant which it is not, it would have to have been kept prior to the cross. Do you follow me?
Because after the cross nothing can be added or taken away, it is a done deal.

The Sabbath is kept differently under the new covenant than the way it was kept under the old. It is kept as a memorial of something that has already occurred not as a law or commandment that has to be kept or else.
The spirit and motivation for service is different. We follow the Lord because his Spirit is in us and the new law of love is calling the shots.

Really?

Try telling that to the unbelieving apostate non-Christian Jews.



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[Dunbar]

No, the Sabbath isn't a part of the new covenant. That's why you can't quote any reason for us to abandon God's rest and revert to the shadow that has passed away. Did the reference to burnt offerings escape your attention? Did the prophetic meaning of the Sabbath elude you?

No, Sunday is not part of the new covenant and is the invention of man or the Catholic church. Sunday is not the Lord's day and we are not commanded to keep it in honor of the resurrection just as we are not commanded to keep Friday in honor of the crucifixion. The Sabbath is the Lord's day and is a sign between us and him that he is the one who sanctifies us.

Paul's admonitions were against a return to the old covenant which I am all in favor of. Paul himself kept the weekly Sabbath and never once said otherwise.

 

[VictorC]

No, Sunday is not part of the new covenant and is the invention of man or the Catholic church. Sunday is not the Lord's day and we are not commanded to keep it in honor of the resurrection just as we are not commanded to keep Friday in honor of the crucifixion. The Sabbath is the Lord's day and is a sign between us and him that he is the one who sanctifies us.

Paul's admonitions were against a return to the old covenant which I am all in favor of. Paul himself kept the weekly Sabbath and never once said otherwise.

Do you remember what I posted earlier?

If you've testified that the old covenant has ended, why then are you "observing" a periodic shadow of the old covenant that exists nowhere outside of it?

Granted, Christian liberty allows us to rest and assemble whenever we choose to. But that isn't "keeping" anything.

My allusion is to Galatians 5, which comes immediately after the inspired author's instructions to cast off the covenant from Mount Sinai. And, that comes after the same authors note concerning the periodic rites of the Mosaic covenant:

You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.​

We aren't commanded to "keep" Sunday. We aren't commanded to "keep" the Sabbath. Paul didn't "keep" the Sabbath, and witness account tells us "This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place" (Acts 21:28), consistent with Paul's epistles.

It damages your credibility to mention the Catholic Church and a reference to "keeping" Sunday. It tells us that you departed from Scripture at some juncture to stare at one sect's traditions instead. The only place Scripture mentions the 'Lord's day' is Revelation 1:10, where John is in the Spirit (not the flesh) and this is in all likelyhood pointing to his vision seeing the Day of the Lord and the events he testifies to throughout this epistle.

Now, you voice recognition of Paul's admonition against returning to the old covenant. But, that's exactly what you have done.