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It took less than one day for you to violate your promise to stop trolling. Your latest posts contain the same straw man arguments that have been repeatedly laid to rest as false.VictorC, I will not troll no longer, no more response from me to you.
Saan, it is not any man's call as to who will burn in the consuming fire of our God.
But let us do take heed as to the depth of what disobedience has done and noting the first sin.
Satan beguiled Eve into thinking that to disobey God surely He would not have her to die. Well she sure went ahead and did eat of the forbidden fruit and now all the posterity of Adam's and hers are sinners bent on disobedience.
Yes Adam knew better but he loved Eve so much he also grabbed of the fruit and did eat.
It now behooves us with the power of the indwelling Christ to embed in our minds souls and hearts to render strict obedience.
He showed us it could be done and Satan threw more at Him than is ever at us. Besides Satan can see if Christ dwells within us and knows where he sees Him dwelling within one that he already is a defeated foe.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Without Him we can do nothing, He alone is our strength and stay and quickening to sort truth from error, His Spirit of Truth!
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.They fail to understand that all the law was fulfilled when Christ died for sins of all mankind. They ignore clear doctrine that Christian are not under the law. They teach that only the ceremonial law was done away with.
Never said that; I said, the penalty for all sin fell on Jesus.So now Cribstyl you can continue you think in your sinning and there will be no recompense.
For those who reject JesusI guarantee you the penalty for sin remains for continuing in sin.
Are these scripture false?Christ's death on the cross covers the curse of the law which is death for all repented of present and past sin but not future sinning.
Anyone who reads James chapter 2 can understand the conversation is about how a man with faith should act. James is teaching that a man with faith should love his neighbor.To continue in sin is dangerous and each must be repented of quickly or realize who your true master is.
Want proof?
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Any sin un repented of in that day will condemn!
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The qouting of commandments by James can be isolated with commentary and promote being under the law. But James is illustrating that the commandment to love is violated if we show favortism, kill, adultery, steal, ect.
New topic about a man who claims faith.Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Show me a man who have stopped sinning and I'll show you a hypocritical liar.We prove we do not have the saving faith when we continue is our sinning.
Love and the works of love and faith will fulfill the law and begets the obedience that only will suffice.
Faith without the works of righteousness is dead.
Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Im not saying the Sabbath is of no importance, but honestly NO ONE can keep the Sabbath per the way the scripture commands it. It says dont do any work or have others do work for you.
If you turn on a light, watch TV or go on the internet, you are causing someone at the power company to be at work, someone at a data center to be at work, someone at a internet service provider to be at work.
If you go to the store and buy gas or anything, you are making someone work.
If you drive your car, you are causing someone at the DOT to be at work to make sure the traffic signals work.
If you go to a sporting event, you are doing this of your own pleasure, which the book of Isaiah speaks against.
Their doctrines would take a fatal blow if they waver a little on this argument.And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.
Was John a hypocrital liar?Show me a man who have stopped sinning and I'll show you a hypocritical liar.
Your theology in pink is questionable.
1 John 2 said:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.
Because either John was preaching to people NOT to sin, as he was living in sin. OR he was preaching to people to NOT sin, even though no man could do so.2 John 1 said:8 We know that http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-30everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-31he who was born of God http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-32protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
It can only make sense that when God first gave the Sabbath it was to men. That fact should not be confused with God's rest from creating all things. God's rest was not for man, it was clearly because God was finished and therefore ended all His work.
You quote heavily "from you" in that statement instead of from the actual Sabbath Commandment of Ex 20:8-11.
Quoting "you" and ignoring the actual Sabbath commandment might be "necessary" when going out on that limb - but not convincing.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day;therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Incredibly obvious to all.
The majority of even pro-sunday scholarship argues for the Sabbath given to mankind in Eden and still applies to all mankind today. As we already saw. #1Only a false prophet would contradict God, and say that Sabbath was given for all men at creation.
And of course God says the Sabbath was "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27.
Directly contradicting the Bible is the work of a false prophet - directly affirming the word of God - is the work of a true prophet..
I'd say giving unintended meaning to the Bible is a sign of a false prophet. Oh yeah that would be directly contradicting the Bible.
The word Sabbath doesn't appear in Genesis. God's rest wasn't periodic.
Originally Posted by Sophrosyne
Their doctrines would take a fatal blow if they waver a little on this argument.
Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.
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I'm surprised you don't know what that is, they have a separate forum here to post in Messianic Jew is was MJ stands for. You can go there in their forum and read about their idea of the Law and how they keep it.what is an "MJ"??
Just curious...
Great point.And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.
Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.
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Where do you get this from?We prove we do not have the saving faith when we continue is our sinning.
Love and the works of love and faith will fulfill the law and begets the obedience that only will suffice.
Faith without the works of righteousness is dead.
Four out of ten commandments have nothing to do with your neighbor.Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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