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You're making that call to and about us as well. Your personal beliefs and requirements aren't the subject of discussion.
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You're making that call to and about us as well. Your personal beliefs and requirements aren't the subject of discussion.Sophrosyne, I have made that "call" for myself and it is also your "call" for yourself.
We're in 2 very different worlds and must not be speaking the same language.
First you say the Jews didn't fulfill the law.
I respond with neither do the Gentiles.
Then you talk about finding the straight gate and narrow way. And state - We know that a very large number are professing to be Christians and it is the few that the great amount can't see with.
Personally I don't see either comment as on topic but accusatory. This is called flaming here.
Then you have the audacity to post you're not judging. Really?
The tenor or over all theme of your posts is one must observe the law. This is a full rejection of grace. But you say you believe in and need grace. I ask why you have the law. Problem is you violate the law which requires death. You abhor death and wish to escape it and claim grace. Cheap grace is talked about here. But you make the law worthless. Personally I see no difference. What it really boils down to is grace is cheep like its said we promote. You can't separate the flesh and the soul in your mind as the Bible does. Everything you relate to is based on the flesh and its performance to the law. The Sabbath gives the flesh rest. The Sabbath doesn't give rest for the soul that Jesus promised if one comes to Him. Jesus didn't offer them what they already had.
I invite you to the peace (rest) of God He provides through unmerited favor and declaration.
You're making that call to and about us as well. Your personal beliefs and requirements aren't the subject of discussion.
Then you're not really trying to apply those passages to me. The above statement clearly shows you are. Otherwise why should I be concerned about them?On flaming, no, I do not. I merely pointed out scripture that may be of concern to you.
As you say I must accept. But you can't require that of anyone else as the only way to enter God's rest. No I'm not promoting many ways to God.And on finding His rest, I have no problem and I enter in, in a special way Sabbaths and then through the rest of the coming week trusting and having full faith and trust in Him. I do not fail to enter in because of unbelief.
Why don't you keep it is accordance with its requirements found on the stone tablets? Since you don't the reality is you observe an amended version and not the commandment. Thus you're self dishonest about what you do.On the law, it is a law of love and it is in my heart, He has instilled His love in me, and so the law of love is now my law and my love actually to do and so I do keep it and it is the automatic service of the heart.
This has nothing to do with keeping the 7th day Sabbath.Love does no wrong to God or our fellow man in any way.
The law is fulfilled (notice past tense) and we don't need (continue) to fulfill the law (keep the Sabbath - really worship only on Saturday).The litmus test then if we truly have love to God first and best and our fellows as ourselves is whether we are automatically fulfilling the law by love.
My theme, tenor is not by straining that the law is fulfilled but can only be fulfilled by love. Nothing but love will suffice.
Why did you point out we are free to make a choice then talk about the choice we must make in order to possess salvation? Essentially you intend us to think and believe we haven't entered the straight gate and narrow way.I only pointed out that you and I are free to make our own call and judge our beliefs and we surely want to be honest with ourselves.
There is an old song, "be honest with me dear" but it is far more important to be honest with ones self.
Then we will be far more apt to be honest with others.
Why did you point out we are free to make a choice then talk about the choice we must make in order to possess salvation? Essentially you intend us to think and believe we haven't entered the straight gate and narrow way.
Why are you giving us your counsel to keep the law? What you're really trying to do is bring others into your council. This activity is called evangelizing.Scratch, I only presented my council and this is what you do also, allow me the same freedom.
I don't judge you or no one, each must do that for himself and one day we all will learn at the great judgment throne as to whether we judged ourselves aright.
His Word is our guide to judge ourselves.
So are you saying those who refuse to keep the Sabbath can be allowed in heaven or not?
What's wrong with this picture?Sophrosyne, I have made that "call" for myself and it is also your "call" for yourself.
You're getting bad counsel from whatever council you got it from, counselor. That's what happens when the Bible is reduced to sound-bites and mutated to force unBiblical doctrines into it.Scratch, I only presented my council and this is what you do also, allow me the same freedom.
Then you're not really trying to apply those passages to me. The above statement clearly shows you are. Otherwise why should I be concerned about them?As you say I must accept. But you can't require that of anyone else as the only way to enter God's rest. No I'm not promoting many ways to God.Why don't you keep it is accordance with its requirements found on the stone tablets? Since you don't the reality is you observe an amended version and not the commandment. Thus you're self dishonest about what you do.This has nothing to do with keeping the 7th day Sabbath.The law is fulfilled (notice past tense) and we don't need (continue) to fulfill the law (keep the Sabbath - really worship only on Saturday).
Why are you giving us your counsel to keep the law? What you're really trying to do is bring others into your council. This activity is called evangelizing.
From Scratch has proven his observation to be true.How about it, Gibs? Is this true?I'm sure you really don't expect him to say something else. After all he's under orders to not listen (accept) any thing you say unless it is what he says.
No sir. I'm responding not initiating.Are you not guilty of the same? Is it a crime? Are we free or not? Or would you have that I not have the same freedom?
I disagree and consider this yet another evasive answer from you. The fact you are advocating Sabbath keeping far beyond voluntary here shows to me that you consider it beyond trivial in nature. I won't ever keep a Sabbath in my life so either you have to consider that Sabbath keeping is unnecessarily for salvation or it is necessary and if it isn't necessary then it doesn't need to be kept at all for a person to be saved.... in other words the entirety of Christianity can throw out the Sabbath and not lose a thing because of it.Sophrosyne, I have made that "call" for myself and it is also your "call" for yourself.
One could consider those who rely on Grace to escape the punishment of the Law..... having a cheapened version of the Law... or cheap Law.The tenor or over all theme of your posts is one must observe the law. This is a full rejection of grace. But you say you believe in and need grace. I ask why you have the law. Problem is you violate the law which requires death. You abhor death and wish to escape it and claim grace. Cheap grace is talked about here. But you make the law worthless. Personally I see no difference. What it really boils down to is grace is cheep like its said we promote. You can't separate the flesh and the soul in your mind as the Bible does. Everything you relate to is based on the flesh and its performance to the law. The Sabbath gives the flesh rest. The Sabbath doesn't give rest for the soul that Jesus promised if one comes to Him. Jesus didn't offer them what they already had.
I invite you to the peace (rest) of God He provides through unmerited favor and declaration.
You and John are talking about different sets of commandments. We're not crying that anyone keeps some form of the Sabbath. When you say you're keeping the Sabbath of Ex 20:8-11 you're lying.From the answers I'm getting here I wonder how you who are not keeping Sabbath see this verse.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Does that say anything against those who do?
You and John are talking about different sets of commandments. We're not crying that anyone keeps some form of the Sabbath. When you say you're keeping the Sabbath of Ex 20:8-11 you're lying.
Yes, he did - and John also stated exactly what the commandments of God are (present tense) in his first epistle. Are you feigning ignorance of God's commandments in an effort to violate them?Now, now there Scratch you should not say that, but I have a ducks back and it did slide off.
John did if you notice stated "commandments of God."
There isn't anything about the Sabbath in God's commandments.From the answers I'm getting here I wonder how you who are not keeping Sabbath see this verse.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Does that say anything against those who do?
From the answers I'm getting here I wonder how you who are not keeping Sabbath see this verse.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Does that say anything against those who do?
You are trying to make the call for us too here..... to get us to keep the Sabbath so tell me why contradict yourself here?Sophrosyne, I have made that "call" for myself and it is also your "call" for yourself.
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