Sabbath was blessed by God and made holy. Sunday was never blessed by God.

[Sophrosyne]

Tis interestin.

bugkiller

Yes.. it is, he mentions 9 but PURPOSELY leaves ONE out. Why would anyone want to use his example to prove their point when it has a HUGE HOLE in it that you can navigate the Goodyear Blimp through.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yes . That is because , as christians , tithing is only a "start" .

Tithing is OT connected for sure..... levites are the key give to their needs and it feeds the seeds of the Law itself.

 

[bugkiller]

Lack of understanding? Only flagrant violators? Oh my,I hear uncontrolable fits of roaring of laughter?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Managed a double post somehow.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Even at supersonic speed. Now would that be interesting to see a blimp move that fast?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would love to see anyone trying to tithe like the law states. They would have a fit and say no not in our church you don't.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Here is what Exodus 20 says regarding the 4th commandment:

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“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
9Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy"

Ok so hopefully people will not find that quote of the Bible to be offensive.

Here is an example of someone who believes it is still binding upon all saints today - believes Saturday is the Bible Sabbath given by God in Genesis 2 (and believes it can be bent to apply to Sunday after the cross).

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R. C Sproul – Lecture – REST
Can only get this on Audio – for 2$
Lecture 9, Rest! from God's Law and the Christian Teaching Series by Dr. R.C. Sproul from Ligonier Ministries

Now Sunday is regarded as almost any other day of the week… part of the separation of church and state and so on. Well the question remains for the Christian - what is the duty of the Christian with regard to keeping the Sabbath day?
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for the most part Christian history has argued that the essential elements of Sabbath observation are still in effect. And some of the reasons for this are these;

In the first instance the hallowing or setting part and consecrating the seventh day as a day of rest from ordinary labor and as a day of holiness, was not something instituted here in the decalogue, here at Mt. Sinai with the giving of the commandments through Moses to the people of Israel. But rather it was a commandment that was established in creation. That it was in creation itself that God hallowed the seventh day. And so since it was a creation ordinance it would not be limited to the history of Israel. But it would carry over to man as man. Whether they were Jew or Christian that the whole creation was expected to observe this day in its dual consideration – 1. Cessation from ordinary labor and 2 – the attributing to worship and praise and honor to the Creator.
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“Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” .. it is not that God is saying “from now on the Sabbath day is to be regarded as Holy” – He is saying “I want you to Remember that it IS Holy and the commandment is to KEEP it that way”. Now what does it mean to be holy in the most elementary sense the meaning of that term to be holy – means to be different. What God is saying here is to remember to keep this day different! “This is ONE DAY that I have consecrated that I have set it apart”. And again we ask what is it that makes it different. What is it about the Sabbath day that makes it unusual or extraordinary. Well the two things the two foci of the scriptures with regard to the observation of the Sabbath day is; 1 – the idea of rest…a rest from normal labor. And as such it is to imitate , on the one hand God’s own actions in creation. Where the story of creation takes place and God’s actions, his labor takes place over successive days – six of them. But the seventh day He rested. And so one of the reasons we rest is to be in the image of God and to remember our Creator, and His labor of Creation. So that we are honoring God not just indulging ourselves. We are honoring the Creator by practicing this imitation of his work that He did from which He ceased on the Sabbath day from Creation.

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Thus the point of Christ is upheld that "Sabbath was MADE for mankind" - in the day it was MADE a holy day - blessed and sanctified (set apart).

Exodus 20:8-11 explicitly states that the Sabbath commandment IS specifically the 7th day of Creation week in memorial. (So far from divorcing it from the Creation week Sabbath).

Exodus 20:8,11
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy...
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

All Bible Christians and Jews as well recognize this as a reference to the events of Genesis 1:2-2:3. That is simply "a given".

Gen 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. NASB

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Interesting that D.L Moody was also in agreement with honoring God's Sabbath Commandment.

Many thanks to our Baptist friends for reminding us of this --
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http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/

presents

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

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The Fourth Commandment

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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

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THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness.

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HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH​

"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.

 

[BobRyan]

An interesting Bible commentary - upholding the Creation Memorial - Sabbath of God.

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[FONT=&quot]Jamieson, Fausset, Brown[/FONT]
Commentary Critical and Explanatory
on the Whole Bible

CHAPTER 2​

Ge 2:1. THE NARRATIVE OF THE SIX DAYS' CREATION CONTINUED. The course of the narrative is improperly broken by the division of the chapter.
1. the heavens--the firmament or atmosphere.
host--a multitude, a numerous array, usually connected in Scripture with heaven only, but here with the earth also, meaning all that they contain.
were finished--brought to completion. No permanent change has ever since been made in the course of the world, no new species of animals been formed, no law of nature repealed or added to. They could have been finished in a moment as well as in six days, but the work of creation was gradual for the instruction of man, as well, perhaps, as of higher creatures (Job 38:7).


Ge 2:2-7. THE FIRST SABBATH.
2. and he rested on the seventh day--not to repose from exhaustion with labor (see Isa 40:28), but ceased from working, an example equivalent to a command that we also should cease from labor of every kind.

3. blessed and sanctified the seventh day--a peculiar distinction put upon it above the other six days, and showing it was devoted to sacred purposes. The institution of the Sabbath is as old as creation, giving rise to that weekly division of time which prevailed in the earliest ages. It is a wise and beneficent law, affording that regular interval of rest which the physical nature of man and the animals employed in his service requires, and the neglect of which brings both to premature decay. Moreover, it secures an appointed season for religious worship, and if it was necessary in a state of primeval innocence, how much more so now, when mankind has a strong tendency to forget God and His claims?
Genesis - Chapter 2 - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on StudyLight.org

 

[BobRyan]

Matthew Henry also affirms the Sabbath origin in Creation week, applied to all mankind, still binding today and seeks to gather authenticity for Sunday observance by claiming it as the bent-Sabbath of Creation week - bent away from Saturday as God gave it - and now applied to Sunday.

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Matthew Henry’s Commentary:

Lev 23

Verses 1-3

Here is, I. A general account of the holy times which God appointed (v. 2), and it is only his appointment that can make time holy; for he is the Lord of time, and as soon as ever he had set its wheels a-going it was he that sanctified and blessed one day above the rest, Gen. 2:3. Man may by his appointment make a good day (Esth. 9:19), but it is God's prerogative to make a holy day; nor is any thing sanctified but by the stamp of his institution. As all inherent holiness comes from his special grace, so all adherent holiness from his special appointment.


Matthew Henry on Mark 2:27


[1.] Whom the sabbath was made for (v. 27); it was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. This we had not in Matthew. The sabbath is a sacred and divine institution; but we must receive and embrace it as a privilege and a benefit, not as a task and a drudgery. First, God never designed it to be an imposition upon us, and therefore we must not make it so to ourselves. Man was not made for the sabbath, for he was made a day before the sabbath was instituted. Man was made for God, and for his honour and service, and he just rather die than deny him; but he was not made for the sabbath, so as to be tied up by the law of it, from that which is necessary to the support of his life. Secondly, God did design it to be an advantage to us, and so we must make it, and improve it. He made if for man. 1. He had some regard to our bodies in the institution, that they might rest, and not be tired out with the constant business of this world (Deu. 5:14); that thy man-servant and thy maid-servant may rest. Now he that intended the sabbath-rest for the repose of our bodies, certainly never intended it should restrain us, in a case of necessity, from fetching in the necessary supports of the body; it must be construed so as not to contradict itself—for edification, and not for destruction. 2. He had much more regard to our souls. The sabbath was made a day of rest, only in order to its being a day of holy work, a day of communion with God, a day of praise and thanksgiving; and the rest from worldly business is therefore necessary, that we may closely apply ourselves to this work, and spend the whole time in it, in public and in private; but then time is allowed us for that which is necessary to the fitting of our bodies for the service of our souls in God's service, and the enabling of them to keep pace with them in that work. See here, (1.) What a good Master we serve, all whose institutions are for our own benefit, and if we be so wise as to observe them, we are wise for ourselves; it is not he, but we, that are gainers by our service. (2.) What we should aim at in our sabbath work, even the good of our own souls. If the sabbath was made for man, we should then ask ourselves at night, "What am I the better for this sabbath day?" (3.) What care we ought to take not to make those exercises of religion burthens to ourselves or others, which God ordained to be blessings; neither adding to the command by unreasonable strictness, nor indulging those corruptions which are adverse to the command, for thereby we make those devout exercises a penance to ourselves, which otherwise would be a pleasure.

[2.] Whom the sabbath was made by (v. 28); "The Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath; and therefore he will not see the kind intentions of the institution of it frustrated by your impositions." Note, The sabbath days are days of the Son of man; he is the Lord of the day, and to his honour it must be observed; by him God made the worlds, and so it was by him that the sabbath was first instituted; by him God gave the law at mount Sinai, and so the fourth commandment was his law; and that little alteration that was shortly to be made, by the shifting of it one day forward to the first day of the week, was to be in remembrance of his resurrection, and therefore the Christian sabbath was to be called the Lord's day (Rev. 1:10), the Lord Christ's day; and the Son of man, Christ, as Mediator, is always to be looked upon as Lord of the sabbath. This argument he largely insists upon in his own justification, when he was charged with having broken the sabbath, Jn. 5:16.
Matthew Henry's Complete Commentary on the Bible


GENESIS 2
Verses 1-3 After six days, God ceased from all works of creation. In miracles, he has overruled nature, but never changed its settled course, or added to it. God did not rest as one weary, but as one well pleased. Notice the beginning of the kingdom of grace, in the sanctification, or keeping holy, of the sabbath day. The solemn observing of one day in seven as a day of holy rest and holy work, to God's honour, is the duty of all to whom God has made known his holy sabbaths. At this time none of the human race were in being but our first parents. For them the sabbath was appointed; and clearly for all succeeding generations also.The Christian sabbath, which we observe, is a seventh day, and in it we celebrate the rest of God the Son, and the finishing the work of our redemption.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Bible

 

[BobRyan]

No wonder then that pastors today such as Andy Stanley quickly admit to the Genesis origin for Sabbath - applied to all mankind and still binding today though bent to apply to week-day-1 today instead of the seventh day as God gave it.

No wonder the Seventh-day Baptists were so quick to realize the continued importance of the Genesis 2 - unbent Sabbath made for mankind still pointing to the seventh day.

No wonder the early Adventists - after being reminded of this by our Seventh-day Baptist friends - dumped the man-made traditions about week-day-1 and accepted the Bible Sabbath.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

Even if D L Moody is responsible for the quote; it is still contrary to the Scripture.

Another point is this is preaching. Preaching is emotional laden speech or written material used to incite the emotions and cause often immediate action.

Did D L Moody actually observe the sabbath as set forth in Exodus 20:8-11? Was this preached on the sabbath or Sunday? Does his Bible institute teach to and demand this of its students?

bugkiller

 

[Sophrosyne]

Nothing here folks.... the New Testament is silent on sabbath keeping nobody he promotes keeping the sabbath has anyone in it commanding it be observed. You can quote 1000 pastors who claim it is right but when you trace their words to the bible they are WRONG to begin with. Paul says those who demand the sabbath kept of others are not of his flock because he is against them even to the point of demanding the council of Jerusalem pass judgment on demands of others gentiles keep the mosaic law... and the verdict was NO.. gentiles do NOT have to keep it INCLUDING the sabbath. The Sabbath is voluntary for those who want to keep it. It is OPTIONAL and has NO bearing on salvation. We are saved by Grace.. and NOT by keeping the Sabbath especially keeping it on SUNDAY like some examples here have been shown. Talk is cheap read the New Testament very thoroughly and see the truth and don't be enamored by endless rants of people who think they know better here.. Don't even trust ME about being right.. READ the bible yourself and SEE the truth.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Even if D L Moody is responsible for the above quote it is still contrary to the Scripture.

Another point is this is preaching. Preaching is emotional laden speech or written material used to incite the emotions and cause often immediate action.

Did D L Moody actually observe the sabbath as set forth in Exodus 20:8-11? Was this preached on the sabbath or Sunday? Does his Bible institute teach to and demand this of its students?

bugkiller

You are wasting your time, I have never seen any reply that directly refutes anything like this ever presented here from these folks. They spam threads endlessly and refuse to defend their statements instead just keep repeating the same stuff again. I say who cares about moody very few these days actually have a clue who the guy is if you ask around and even then almost NOBODY who reads his stuff actually takes to heart his sabbath teachings almost ALL of them still refuse to keep Saturday as their sabbath so I guess his words must either not sink home in the context insisted here or maybe he doesn't really say it in the first place.

 

[bugkiller]

Yes that would be wonderful to never have to return to work. God did not return to His work of creating on day 8. The word shabath means specifically to cease and desist as in a court order to stop an activity. This is more clearly communicated in Hosea 2:11 directly about the sabbath .

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So Matthew Henry presents his ideas contrary to Scripture. Now what?

In the part quoted about Genesis 2 Matthew Henry says -

The solemn observing of one day in seven as a day of holy rest and holy work... This does not specify a certian day. Was this too a mistake?


bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It is interesting the reliance on what others have to say rather than the Bible. Is this not a manipulative ploy to force one's idea and will on others?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes the pro law people do not listen to anything the pro grace people say. However I am not here for the pro law people or even for the purpose of arguing with them. They are a cause. I realize that it is nigh impossible to win them over to the truth.

bugkiller

 

[thegospel4all]

I know these verses have been discussed but they do not lack in clarity...so I don't understand why this debate continues...


Colossians 2:

'13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


Romans 14:

4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.

He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

 

[bugkiller]

So worthless law is pushed that does nothing to its violators. What is the difference? I am skeered.

bugkiller