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Sabbath observance under extreme conditions....

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Brother, no one keeps the Sabbath revealed in the word of God in the whole world. According to Genesis, the first Sabbath made holy by God was from morning to morning and Israel "remembers" to keep holy that first Sabbath by beginning 12 hours before its seventh local day of the week, mind you, by direct instructions from God in Leviticus. That means that the Sabbath was made holy in the time zone of Eden and doing the same thing done in Israel here in the united states is a tradition in contradiction with the word of God. Here in the united states the Sabbath starts 17 hours before our seventh local day of the week, with Israel as our example beginning 12 hours before its seventh local day of the week. The Sabbath is united worldwide, when it starts in Israel it starts everywhere else simultaneously at different hours depending on your location. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge


Interesting.... I hadn't heard of that ever before.


Lev 23:32

It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
 
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If we are focusing of the details and miss out on the blessing, we have lost the purpose.
Brother, people are not prepared for the return of Jesus because we do not understand the word of God. For example, the strongest emotional excuse for Sunday to replace the Sabbath is that it celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, but when you understand why Israel observes the Sabbath as they do, you realize that Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night after the Sabbath and before Sunday, clearly showing that the link of the Sunday tradition with the resurrection does not come from God by eliminating the emotionally confusing link with Jesus.

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. (John 4:23 NIV)​

The Father wants worshipers who worship in "truth" and not in error. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, people are not prepared for the return of Jesus because we do not understand the word of God. For example, the strongest emotional excuse for Sunday to replace the Sabbath is that it celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, but when you understand why Israel observes the Sabbath as they do, you realize that Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night after the Sabbath and before Sunday, clearly showing that the link of the Sunday tradition with the resurrection does not come from God by eliminating the emotionally confusing link with Jesus.

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. (John 4:23 NIV)​

The Father wants worshipers who worship in "truth" and not in error. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge


I think that you are correct..... the First Day of Unleavened Bread may have been on a Thursday that year...... the Crucifixion on a Wednesday..... and the resurrection seventy two hours exactly from the time of burial... which would make for a later Sabbath afternoon resurrection.

Speaking of being more ready for the coming of Messiah... you may enjoy this disussion:
2018 outpouring, are you feeling it? I am!


In the days and weeks after the fire tunnel I came to view my own sins of pride..... lukewarmness......... and my general lack of fear of G-d....... and the remnants of anger against various officials in the two denominations that I was part of from 1973 - 1991 as being a far, far, far, far more serious problem than I had realized before..

Matthew 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brothertheir trespasses."

Basically I had a surge in CONVICTION of the types of sins that we often tend to not view as being so serious...... but they really are.....
 
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Interesting.... I hadn't heard of that ever before.
Brother, it is most clear in the following passage.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

God has nothing to report during the second half of the day that He called "night", from evening to morning He stopped creating and only created during the first half of the day, the light part He called "day". United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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I think that you are correct
Brother, I am feeling it! I believe that others have seen this light before, but the work of the Spirit to spread this truth has been extinguished.

Do not quench the Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 5:19 NIV)​

I want to encourage you to do your part so that the work of the Spirit comes out on this occasion. Tell everyone you know. We do not know how many more opportunities this truth could have to prepare many for the return of Jesus. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, people are not prepared for the return of Jesus because we do not understand the word of God. For example, the strongest emotional excuse for Sunday to replace the Sabbath is that it celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, but when you understand why Israel observes the Sabbath as they do, you realize that Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night after the Sabbath and before Sunday, clearly showing that the link of the Sunday tradition with the resurrection does not come from God by eliminating the emotionally confusing link with Jesus.

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. (John 4:23 NIV)​

The Father wants worshipers who worship in "truth" and not in error. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
You're using two different methods of keeping time to make a flase statement about when Jesus rose from the grave.
 
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I think that you are correct..... the First Day of Unleavened Bread may have been on a Thursday that year...... the Crucifixion on a Wednesday..... and the resurrection seventy two hours exactly from the time of burial... which would make for a later Sabbath afternoon resurrection.

Speaking of being more ready for the coming of Messiah... you may enjoy this disussion:
2018 outpouring, are you feeling it? I am!
The first day of unleavened bread is the same day every year on the lunar calendar the Jews used. Your statement is most likely true when you use the Gregorian calendar.
 
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You're using two different methods of keeping time to make a flase statement about when Jesus rose from the grave.
Brother, Israel believes that a full day is the "night" part followed by the "day" part because that is how they "remember" to keep the Sabbath holy by direct instructions from God in the book of Leviticus, but the book of Genesis reveals that God started the tradition at the beginning that the "day" part comes before the "night" part. God has revealed proper Sabbath observance in two locations: Eden and Israel, the difference between these two locations reveals that the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden. Israel "remember" the Sabbath to keep it holy 12 hours before their local seventh day of the week because the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden and that is the reason Israel start the Sabbath in the middle of Friday and ends the Sabbath in the middle of Saturday. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, Israel believes that a full day is the "night" part followed by the "day" part because that is how they "remember" to keep the Sabbath holy by direct instructions from God in the book of Leviticus, but the book of Genesis reveals that God started the tradition at the beginning that the "day" part comes before the "night" part. God has revealed proper Sabbath observance in two locations: Eden and Israel, the difference between these two locations reveals that the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden. Israel "remember" the Sabbath to keep it holy 12 hours before their local seventh day of the week because the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden and that is the reason Israel start the Sabbath in the middle of Friday and ends the Sabbath in the middle of Saturday. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Was darkness first or second? When did time start? Aren't your arguments a little off?
 
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Was darkness first or second? When did time start? Aren't your arguments a little off?
Brother, the pattern of the days of the week of creation in the book of Genesis reveal that the earth existed before the week of creation. The first act of God in the week of creation was to say "let there be light." "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" refers to a time before the week of creation. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, the pattern of the days of the week of creation in the book of Genesis reveal that the earth existed before the week of creation. The first act of God in the week of creation was to say "let there be light." "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" refers to a time before the week of creation. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
I can't see that in Genesis.:scratch::sorry:
 
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I can't see that in Genesis.:scratch::sorry:
Brother, from morning to evening is the period that God called "day". From evening to morning is the period that God called "night". God created during each period of light from morning to evening, but stopped creating each period of "night" from evening to morning. Once you recognize the period of the "night" that ends each day of the week of creation, you can return to the beginning of the first day that began with the light, all before this point occurred before the week of creation. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, from morning to evening is the period that God called "day". From evening to morning is the period that God called "night". God created during each period of light from morning to evening, but stopped creating each period of "night" from evening to morning. Once you recognize the period of the "night" that ends each day of the week of creation, you can return to the beginning of the first day that began with the light, all before this point occurred before the week of creation. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
 
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Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Brother, I have been sharing on the Messianic Judaism forum and have put together a brief illustration that shows the strongest evidence for the day established by God from morning to morning in Genesis and not as the Jews have assumed from evening to evening because of God's instructions on how to remember to keep the Sabbath holy in Israel. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
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