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What do you think "full-time" means?No, you are arguing with God. Exo 20:10 Hebrews 4:4 is referring us back to what God said Exo 20:8-11
Nothing in Hebrews says the Sabbath is daily. God already defined when is the Sabbath, His Authority is everlasting and changes not.
Matt 11 -God's own ("my") full-time rest (Heb 4:3) into which we enter in Jesus Christ is full-time; i.e., daily.
In God’s rest there is no rebellion to His commandments- including the 4th commandment written by God on His Authroity that He said He would not change Psa 89:34God's own ("my") full-time rest (Heb 4:3) into which we enter in Jesus Christ is full-time; i.e., daily.
They were exiled from Canaan (Nu 14:21), not for refusing to observe the Sabbath, but solely for refusing to enter (Nu 13:26 -14:1-4) their promised Canaan rest (Ex 33:14, Dt 12:9-10, Josh 1:13).the Holy Spirit calls on us TODAY, if we hear His voice out of our rebellion to God Hebrews 3:7-8 and to not follow the example of those who disobeyed in the wilderness who also profaned God’s Sabbath Eze 20:13 Exo 20:21 and many were consumed in the wilderness and never entered their rest into Canaan.
Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.They were exiled from Canaan (Nu 14:21), not for refusing to observe the Sabbath, but solely for refusing to enter (Nu 13:26 - 14:1-4) their promised Canaan rest (Ex 33:14, Dt 12:9-10, Josh 1:13).
Disobedience, in the context of Heb, means apostasizing from Christianity (Heb 3:12), failing to enter (Heb 4:6) their salvation rest (Heb 4:1), as their forefathers had failed to enter their promised Canaan rest.
Seventh day observers would be mostly SDA's here on CF, with a few other folks such as yourselfwho are the 7 day sabbath observer?, do you mean the Jewish people, SDA denomination or any other denomination?, also pepple like myself not part of any denomination simply following the sabbath as in the 10 commandments?
Greatyes the bible mention a specific day and time frame like I explained quoting scripture in a previous answer to your post .
I had asked for scripture references. What I saw in the critical part of your response was what I took to be a reference to local customs or government decisions. As in, the government says it's Friday, so it must be the 6th day.I understand perfectly what you mean and what you meant in previous posts and answered already
The fourth commandment references the Sabbath, which I take to mean the seventh day. But there are two different sunsets which could potentially mark the beginning of the seventh day.makes no difference where you are , just follow the sabbath command as described in the fourth commandment.
There are two potential sunsets, unless one believes that God has given human governments the authority to say what day it is.no matter where you are in the world to observe the sabbath you follow the instruction of the fourth commandments for the time it is this;
Jewish practice follows this tradition, beginning the Sabbath at sunset on Friday and ending it at sunset on Saturday. This timing aligns with the broader biblical principle that days begin in the evening, as indicated in Genesis;
Genesis 1:5:
You have responded, and I thank you for your timeLeaf, have answered all your questions multiple times, unless you have unrelated questions I will no longer reply to your questions on this topic.
Blessings.
Which is not the issue of Heb 3:7-4:11, which issue is refusal to enter salvation rest (saving faith in Jesus Christ) as they had refused to enter Canaan rest from their enemies (Dt 25:19).Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.
The scriptures I provided show they did not enter due to disobedience and what they were disobedient of, which was Sabbath-keeping among other things , but all gets sorted out soon enough, no point in going over again. I do wish you well, take care.Which is not the issue of Heb 3:7-4:11, which issue is refusal to enter salvation rest (saving faith in Jesus Christ) as they had refused to enter Canaan rest from their enemies (Dt 25:19).
I presented the scripture that I thought most seventh day observers referred to in order to indicate that the sunset marking the beginning of the seventh day was established, at least in the wilderness. It didn't get a positive reception from the person I was replying tonope.
we have scripture.
And you??
It looks to me like the fourth commandment was referring to a particular day.Read the Sabbath commandment and tell us what you find there.
No. I was kind of surprised at the response I got from the Seventh-Day observer I was talking to. I considered that maybe we weren't communicating wellDid you ever find the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 to say any such thing?
It's not a surprise at all.no doubt it does.
There are Jews and Adventists and other Sabbath keeping Christians in the Philippines as well - is that a surprise in your POV?
agreed -- Read the Sabbath commandment and tell us what you find there.My impression from Seventh-Day observers was that it was important to observe a particular seventh day.
True -- Or did you ever find the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 to say any thing other than that?We were not to just pick one 24-hour period out of every seven 24-hour periods.
I presented the scripture that I thought most seventh day observers referred to in order to indicate that the sunset marking the beginning of the seventh day was established, at least in the wilderness. It didn't get a positive reception from the person I was replying to
It says the 7th day in the actual text - Ex 20:8-11, Gen 2:2-3It looks to me like the fourth commandment was referring to a particular day.
Is there are reason to believe that the Philippines and the USA have the same sunset even though they are on opposite sides of the Earth?Is there a scripture passage that says how to decide if the sunset in the Philippines that marks the beginning of the seventh day comes before or after the sunset on the east side of the USA that marks the beginning of the seventh day?
Heb 11 a lot of OT saints shown as entering Christ's rest.Which is not the issue of Heb 3:7-4:11, which issue is refusal to enter salvation rest (saving faith in Jesus Christ) as they had refused to enter Canaan rest from their enemies (Dt 25:19).
No, Because it does not teach that. Yet you keep saying It.And I follow Heb 4:8-11, that "(an)other Sabbath-rest for the people of God" (Heb 4:8-11).
There is absolutely no support in scripture to support the notion that Gentiles were demanded to observe the Sabbath. He did demand that those who came out of bondage in Egypt keep it. They failed to observe it as demanded, so why do some today believe the can do better than the Israelites did? And why do Adventists insist that everyone has to keep what they are not able to keep, and that God never demanded?Matt 11 -
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is comfortable, and My burden is light.”
Does not say "and I will delete the Sabbath commandment"
Does not say "and I will make every day Sabbath"
Nor do we see any accusations by the Jews that Jesus had declared Sabbath to be "every day" or "no day" or ...
There is just no support in scripture for that idea.
It's not a problem if you're willing to use tradition or the decisions of human governments. And it's fine too if God gave human governments the authority to say what day it was, or when the days change.agreed -- Read the Sabbath commandment and tell us what you find there.
The Seventh day.
It appears this is not a problem for Christians all over the Earth or for Jews all over the Earth.
Do you also find that to be the case?
That's what I found in the fourth commandment, as wellTrue -- Or did you ever find the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 to say any thing other than that?
YepIt says the 7th day in the actual text - Ex 20:8-11, Gen 2:2-3
No. I believe I've talked about how the sunsets are 12 hours apartIs there are reason to believe that the Philippines and the USA have the same sunset even though they are on opposite sides of the Earth?
I'm okay with that idea. Indeed, the time it takes for sunset to travel around the world is what raises the issue.Are you ok with the idea that the earth is round and that sunset time travels around the world as it rotates?
No, it's not a debatable idea.Is this a debatable idea in your POV??
Hebrews is not about Christian Hebrews failing to keep the Sabbath. That is the last thing they would do.The scriptures I provided show they did not enter due to disobedience and what they were disobedient of, which was Sabbath-keeping among other things , but all gets sorted out soon enough, no point in going over again. I do wish you well, take care.
Best not to redefine something God already defined for us Exo 20:10 , because we are not God. We do not enter into the seventh day Sabbath- we are to keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 We enter into Christ rest - through faith. Those with faith don’t rebel against God’s law, including the 4th commandment.Hebrews is not about failing to keep the Sabbath, it is about failing to enter their Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ, where they rest from their own work to save and in his work which saves.
Which is rest from our own work to save and in Jesus' work which saves.Please Note In verse 3 that we who do believe do enter into this Rest that is the Gospel.
Falls somewhat short of a Biblical demonstration of error in my post.Best not to redefine something God already defined for us Exo 20:10 , because we are not God. We do not enter into the seventh day Sabbath- we are to keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 We enter into Christ rest - through faith. Those with faith don’t rebel against God’s law, including the 4th commandment.
Scripture says as God did. As God did is not that. So Unless you’re going to state, God needed Jesus to be saved. And I know you’re not saying that. Your argument is no argument. And that should be the end of itWhich is rest from our own work to save and in Jesus' work which saves.
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