Sabbath keeping

[EJ M]

Hello,
Can any scholars of the Sabbath commandment provide a list on how to correctly keep the Sabbath. I agree, it is very important not to change God’s law, no man is qualified to change anything God says, not the Pope, nobody. Gen 2 mentiones God rested, but did not command men to keep the Sabbath and rest until Exo 12.
I know what the Bible says and the admonition is to rest on the Sabbath and was first commanded in Exo 12 and 16, before the Ten Commandments were given. (Exo 20)
And breaking the Sabbath laws incurred the death penalty So this list summarizes;
Start on Friday evening at sundown
End on Saturday at sundown
Do no work
Do not kindle a fire
Do not cook or bake
Do not buy or sell
Do not employ anyone or command a slave to work.
Do not seek your own pleasure
Can anyone provide the list on how to keep the Sabbath in today’s modern world?
And when does the Sabbath begin and when does the Sabbath end North of the Arctic circle and South of Antarctic circle?
( I have a house about 1,350 miles from the Northern tip of Antarctic)

 

[DamianWarS]

God is not unclear as some purport. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.

There are things that are needful. But Most things unless directed from the Lord can be done the other six days. By doing things that can be put off we are not resting as we should on the 7th day. The day that He sanctified, set apart for such.

Sin is an issue every day. But the most important part of the command is to keep it Holy. Do not defile it. This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking. This also happens in ministerial work. So we need to be careful.

in a law/old covenant vacuum, the law details what the sabbath is plainly which can be summed up by don't work, and don't cause others to work regardless of their affiliations. Yet we are not in a law vacuum, nor under law so this is where the controversies are.

The 4th commandment has a post-exodus establishment. it explicitly is in memory of the 7th day of creation when God rested from creation on the 7th day. The creation account however does not detail any requirement for the day implicit or explicit. We can superimpose the 4th commandment over it but what is our motivation in doing so, certainly the bible doesn't tell us to do this. the text has no suggestion of being under a 7th day law so superimposing the 4th commandment over it would seem agenda-driven. It's not that the time is lawless as God clearly has no issue laying out requirements for the Garden but it's just that sabbath requirement is absent and not just absent in creation but all of Genesis is silent. In fact Sabbath as a noun is not once mentioned in Genesis so in a Genesis vacuum there is no Sabbath day, there is only a day where God rested (sabbath as a verb). Sabbath also can mean to cease and in the creation account this is exactly what has happened. God ceased working. Why? because he finished creation thus he stop creating. Based on this I think it is most responsible to look at the sabbath law as starting post-exodus (not after the book of Exodus but after the exodus event of the Israelites from Egypt)

This is important when establishing if Sabbath law is universal or not because if it has a starting point some 1500 years after creation then it cannot be called a universal law but rather a localized law for time and place. since we can clearly identify time and place to be with the Israelites and in the old covenant period then we have no reason to extend this outside of it's covenant it is explicitly a part of. It not only is a part of the 10 commandments which is explicitly called the "tablets of the covenant law" but it is also is a sign of the covenant established at Sinai which gives it a strong identity with that covenant.

Sabbath also is not moral in nature, it is memorial and the requirement to keep it is to rest as God rested. But there is nothing about separating a day as holy as a universal moral. In order to understand Sabbath you need to be told it, if you are never told it, your body may need repeated events of rest but it has no ability to identify a 7 day week. the sun marks the passing of days and the moon the passing of months and seasons the passing of years, This is all explicit in creation but there is no sign to mark the passing of a 7 day week. Thus the Sabbath requirement needs to be told first in order to keep it, otherwise, any resting routine will follow its own patterns that may not follow a 7 day schedule, and even if it did there is no way of knowing the correct ordering of days to pull out which one we are to rest on without first the foreknowledge of a 7 day week and foreknowledge of the command itself. universal morals have characteristics that we don't have to be told to understand them thus the Sabbath is not a universal moral.

There clearly are laws a part of the old covenant that we are no longer under obligation even some that are called everlasting such as with circumcision. circumcision actually has a greater case than sabbath as it's established pre-law in Genesis yet we see it take a different focus in the new covenant, no longer physical but now spiritually applied to the heart. To pull the 4th commandment out of it's covenant and establish it as universal law would require greater support. We do have cause however to identify it as a spiritual value in like pattern of circumcision. The Sabbath of the heart is not something keeping a day can give us, it is only something Christ can give us. We see this demonstrated in the sabbath law itself as it was also mandated for slaves and animals. Animals (and slaves and even household members) have no authority to take rest and one with authority needs to give it for them to be permitted to rest. The law is phrased to heads of households who then have the authority to give rest to those under their care. This is a powerful salvation metaphor as I cannot take salvation myself and it can only be given to me by the one with authority. Creation itself details an event where light is spoken into a dark formless void, starting a transformation process that when complete ushers in rest. That mirrors a salvation event and according to 2 Cor 4:6 Paul agrees with me.

Let's call a spade a spade here, observing a day for religious merit is point-blank a pagan value. The entire law points to Christ so the law itself is not arbitrary requirement and right down to the smallest detail points to Christ but for the old covenant its full meaning was not yet revealed so all they had was the law and could only follow it blindly. However we have been given revelation and it is this lens of Christ over the law that is more noble when interpreting modern application. This doesn't mean we are lawless or that the law is thrown out, it means we are under Christ not under a system meant for a time and place that has passed.

we also are unable to keep sabbath law. indeed the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath which means the requirement does not extend beyond human capacity. but the 4th commandment is equally about yourself as it is about others that we seem to often to just ignore. The reality is in modern living, it simply is not possible to live in a way that does not contribute to the demand of the existing workforce demands regardless of what day it is. at the end of every wired and wireless thing is a workforce hamster wheel that we would have to entirely disengage with to be in harmony with the 4th commandment requirements (addressing non-essential use of course). The fact that our phone is turned on means it is connected to a network that requires a workforce even if we don't use that phone. We can write this off as everything is automated and my one device doesn't matter but this is simply being lazy. The Christian West has an immensely powerful voice, if we go unplugged for a day the negative demand will have a significant impact on the workforce requirement that the systems would have to be crafted to a sabbath model. So either we are unable to keep the Sabbath or better put we are unwilling and have made compromises so that we keep a tradition of sabbath that is more convenient that fails the requirement of sabbath.

everything we do should be to give glory to God and a tradition of keeping the sabbath to glorify God is a good thing it's just not a required thing.

 

[HIM]

in a law/old covenant vacuum, the law details what the sabbath is plainly which can be summed up by don't work, and don't cause others to work regardless of their affiliations. Yet we are not in a law vacuum, nor under law so this is where the controversies are.

No we are not. The Law is in our hearts and minds. We do now because of who we are in Christ, not because we are under a schoolmaster and have too. The just live by Faith, The Word in in their hearts and mouths. This is the faith in which we preach. And this is the Faith that establishes the Law.

 

[DamianWarS]

No we are not. The Law is in our hearts and minds. We do now because of who we are in Christ, not because we are under a schoolmaster and have too. The just live by Faith, The Word in in their hearts and mouths. This is the faith in which we preach. And this is the Faith that establishes the Law.

Indeed law is written upon our hearts yet we still have no natural mechanism to recognize a 7-day week, all of that needs the foreknowledge of a 7-day week and how to order it, not even the heavenly bodies created on day 4 as signs for the passing of time and seasons tell us a 7 day week. Romans 2:14-15 says that gentiles demonstrate that law is written upon their hearts as their conscience has a feedback loop that either accuses them or tells them they are doing right. Yet no such mechanism exists for keeping the 7th day of the week. So if the 4th commandment cannot be kept by the "written-upon-your-hearts" mechanism then it begs the question is it written upon our hearts? But don't misunderstand me, our need and desire for spiritual rest is innate and is written upon our hearts but keeping a day of the week is not.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hello,
Can any scholars of the Sabbath commandment provide a list on how to correctly keep the Sabbath. I agree, it is very important not to change God’s law, no man is qualified to change anything God says, not the Pope, nobody. Gen 2 mentiones God rested, but did not command men to keep the Sabbath and rest until Exo 12.
I know what the Bible says and the admonition is to rest on the Sabbath and was first commanded in Exo 12 and 16, before the Ten Commandments were given. (Exo 20)
And breaking the Sabbath laws incurred the death penalty So this list summarizes;
Start on Friday evening at sundown
End on Saturday at sundown
Do no work
Do not kindle a fire
Do not cook or bake
Do not buy or sell
Do not employ anyone or command a slave to work.
Do not seek your own pleasure
Can anyone provide the list on how to keep the Sabbath in today’s modern world?
And when does the Sabbath begin and when does the Sabbath end North of the Arctic circle and South of Antarctic circle?
( I have a house about 1,350 miles from the Northern tip of Antarctic)

You do not have to be a Sabbath scholar to keep the Sabbath, as it is no different than keeping any of the other commandments. James 2:10-12

But you can look right to the scriptures to answer your questions- how do we keep the Sabbath now and what is the purpose of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath started at Creation and God gave us a reason why it is so important. The Sabbath came before sin and was part of God's eternal plan- God changes not, which is why we see through the teachings of Jesus all throughout the bible His testimony of this.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

After God worked six days- He set aside the seventh day "sanctified" it because He rested from all His work that He created and made.

Man who is made in the image of God Gen 1:26 was commanded this same weekly cycle and commanded to "Remember" the Sabbath day because God never wants us to forget who made us and where we came from. We are to keep the Sabbath day holy by resting from our works and keeping our focus on Christ for one full day. God knows man needs rest from physical work and needs spiritual rest in Christ to foster our relationship with Him, which is what the Sabbath provides.

When is the Sabbath? God stated it so plainly and sad people think they know better than God.

God personally wrote these Words- there is no Greater Authority than God.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Days start in the evening in scripture, so the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening at sunset. Leviticus 23:32

Why is the Sabbath so important? Does a day really matter?

I believe its less about a day and more who is your authority. Based on God's Authority we should keep the Sabbath. Exo 20:8-11. If your authority is those who changed God's times and laws- which we were warned about in the scripture Dan 7:25 than keep another day. Whoever we serve is our master Rom 6:16 Man cannot serve two masters, so if we are not serving Christ by default we are serving someone else.

Which is why God said:

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Who would not want a special sign between us and God. Because only God can sanctify us, yet so many try to sanctify themselves, when they can't only God can.

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them

Keeping the Sabbath shows our complete trust and faith in God.

How to keep the Sabbath lets look to Jesus how He kept the Sabbath as well as the apostles:

Luke 4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.
Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

So we see from the example of Jesus and apostles ways to keep the Sabbath day holy by:
Going to church
Reading God's Word
Reasoning with the scriptures (Bible study)
Prayer
Spending time in nature
Preaching God's Word
Fellowship with others in God's Word

Which is exactly what Christ in His own Words said for us to do.... God claimed the Sabbath as His holy day- the only day in scripture He says this. It's sad man tries to sanctify a day God said is for works and labor Exo 20:9 and one God did not, instead of the day He told us to keep holy, basically man trying to sanctity themselves and essentially making one their own god..

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath day is about spending time with God, casting aside all secular activities and work and spending time resting in Christ. It shows God is our Authority, the only God who can sanctify, the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and it is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7 and God changes not. Its a matter of who we yield ourselves servants to obey-God or man. Just like the tree in the garden was much more than a tree- the Sabbath Day is much more than just a day. The choice is ours who we obey.

 

[HIM]

Indeed law is written upon our hearts yet we still have no natural mechanism to recognize a 7-day week, all of that needs the foreknowledge of a 7-day week and how to order it, not even the heavenly bodies created on day 4 as signs for the passing of time and seasons tell us a 7 day week. Romans 2:14-15 says that gentiles demonstrate that law is written upon their hearts as their conscience has a feedback loop that either accuses them or tells them they are doing right. Yet no such mechanism exists for keeping the 7th day of the week. So if the 4th commandment cannot be kept by the "written-upon-your-hearts" mechanism then it begs the question is it written upon our hearts? But don't misunderstand me, our need and desire for spiritual rest is innate and is written upon our hearts but keeping a day of the week is not.

We are naturally built for it. Which is a testimony in and of itself

Seven-day human biological rhythms: An expedition in search of their origin, synchronization, functional advantage, adaptive value and clinical relevance​

Seven-day human biological rhythms: An expedition in search of their origin, synchronization, functional advantage, adaptive value and clinical relevance - PubMed

This fact-finding expedition explores the perspectives and knowledge of the origin and functional relevance of the 7 d domain of the biological time structure, with special reference to human beings. These biological rhythms are displayed at various levels of organization in diverse species -...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Clare73]

Scripture says as God did. As God did is not that. So Unless you’re going to state, God needed Jesus to be saved. And I know you’re not saying that. Your argument is no argument. And that should be the end of it

Scripture says as God did in Jesus.
That's exactly what God did in Jesus--gave us God's full-time Sabbath rest (Heb 3:7-4-11).

 

[DamianWarS]

We are naturally built for it. Which is a testimony in and of itself

Seven-day human biological rhythms: An expedition in search of their origin, synchronization, functional advantage, adaptive value and clinical relevance​

Seven-day human biological rhythms: An expedition in search of their origin, synchronization, functional advantage, adaptive value and clinical relevance - PubMed

This fact-finding expedition explores the perspectives and knowledge of the origin and functional relevance of the 7 d domain of the biological time structure, with special reference to human beings. These biological rhythms are displayed at various levels of organization in diverse species -...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this only shows natural cycles that correspond to a "7 d rhythm-like phenomena". the 7-day week roughly matches moon phases, from new, waxing, full to waning (and then back to new). these rhythms would be lunar-driven (not 7 day driven) based on the phase of the moon that natural life has responded to. the 4 phases amount to 29.5 days not 28 so 7 days is not exact, if monthly corrections are not made then natural life would continue to have behaviour changes based on lunar activity that would become out of sync with 7-day cycles (as it already is). it would be incorrect to assert this is 7-day driven, as it is still driven by lunar activity that self aligns/corrects with solar activity making the cycles 7-day-ish but only if we slice the moon phases into 4. In reality, it's continuous and natural life doesn't respond to a 7-day count it would be more like transitions from new to full and back again.

You could argue that we have natural lunar rhythms (because we do) but just because we have these rhythms doesn't invoke the letter of the law. Something like don't murder, steal or sleep with your neighbour's wife are all self-evident, we don't have to explain it to understand it. and to my knowledge outside of menstruation natural human cycles based on lunar activity (which still varies from woman to woman) is not all that known even if broadly accepted. that's a far stretch from superimposing 7 day cycle sabbath law. You can assert rest is a part of this cycle and that is agreeable enough but nowhere near the level law demands or as self-evident as other laws like don't murder. So if we claim that "sabbath" is written upon our hearts we cannot claim the level the law demands because it simply is not true and we cannot be aligned to the accuracy of 7-day weeks and even if we did based on lunar activity we would become out of sync using 7-day cycles and would become conflicting systems. Rest we can claim, but that's too vague to claim strict adherence to sabbath law if that law written upon our hearts is viewed as not needing extra information to respond to it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Once again, we encounter a perplexing blend of misinformation. Many here have cited Jesus, Paul, and the original Twelve as examples of individuals who observed the Sabbath because it is a divine commandment and, thus, should be upheld. Indeed, the Jewish people of that time adhered to these commandments, a fact widely acknowledged and accepted.

Your interpretation, however, seems to distort both truth and scripture, manipulating them to serve your own ends. This approach bears a troubling resemblance to the serpent’s deceitful tactics in Genesis, where subtle distortions were used to lead astray.

People seem to get really creative when it comes to the Sabbath commandment for some strange reason. If God commanded us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to countermand Him. He said the seventh day is the Sabbath and commanded to keep it holy. Exo 20:8-11 He is God, we are His servants. Isa 56:6 At least that's the way it is supposed to be.

 

[Leaf473]

Hello,
Can any scholars of the Sabbath commandment provide a list on how to correctly keep the Sabbath. I agree, it is very important not to change God’s law, no man is qualified to change anything God says, not the Pope, nobody. Gen 2 mentiones God rested, but did not command men to keep the Sabbath and rest until Exo 12.
I know what the Bible says and the admonition is to rest on the Sabbath and was first commanded in Exo 12 and 16, before the Ten Commandments were given. (Exo 20)
And breaking the Sabbath laws incurred the death penalty So this list summarizes;
Start on Friday evening at sundown
End on Saturday at sundown
Do no work
Do not kindle a fire
Do not cook or bake
Do not buy or sell
Do not employ anyone or command a slave to work.
Do not seek your own pleasure
Can anyone provide the list on how to keep the Sabbath in today’s modern world?
And when does the Sabbath begin and when does the Sabbath end North of the Arctic circle and South of Antarctic circle?

( I have a house about 1,350 miles from the Northern tip of Antarctic)

Wow, you're way up there!

Sunsets definitely don't occur there at the same rate that they do down near the equator

 

[HIM]

Scripture says as God did in Jesus.
That's exactly what God did in Jesus--gave us God's full-time Sabbath rest (Heb 3:7-4-11).

No it doesn’t and you know it. Are you okay?

 

[EJ M]

You do not have to be a Sabbath scholar to keep the Sabbath, as it is no different than keeping any of the other commandments. James 2:10-12

But you can look right to the scriptures to answer your questions- how do we keep the Sabbath now and what is the purpose of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath started at Creation and God gave us a reason why it is so important. The Sabbath came before sin and was part of God's eternal plan- God changes not, which is why we see through the teachings of Jesus all throughout the bible His testimony of this.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

After God worked six days- He set aside the seventh day "sanctified" it because He rested from all His work that He created and made.

Man who is made in the image of God Gen 1:26 was commanded this same weekly cycle and commanded to "Remember" the Sabbath day because God never wants us to forget who made us and where we came from. We are to keep the Sabbath day holy by resting from our works and keeping our focus on Christ for one full day. God knows man needs rest from physical work and needs spiritual rest in Christ to foster our relationship with Him, which is what the Sabbath provides.

When is the Sabbath? God stated it so plainly and sad people think they know better than God.

God personally wrote these Words- there is no Greater Authority than God.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Days start in the evening in scripture, so the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening at sunset. Leviticus 23:32

Why is the Sabbath so important? Does a day really matter?

I believe its less about a day and more who is your authority. Based on God's Authority we should keep the Sabbath. Exo 20:8-11. If your authority is those who changed God's times and laws- which we were warned about in the scripture Dan 7:25 than keep another day. Whoever we serve is our master Rom 6:16 Man cannot serve two masters, so if we are not serving Christ by default we are serving someone else.

Which is why God said:

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Who would not want a special sign between us and God. Because only God can sanctify us, yet so many try to sanctify themselves, when they can't only God can.

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them

Keeping the Sabbath shows our complete trust and faith in God.

How to keep the Sabbath lets look to Jesus how He kept the Sabbath as well as the apostles:

Luke 4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.
Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

So we see from the example of Jesus and apostles ways to keep the Sabbath day holy by:
Going to church
Reading God's Word
Reasoning with the scriptures (Bible study)
Prayer
Spending time in nature
Preaching God's Word
Fellowship with others in God's Word

Which is exactly what Christ in His own Words said for us to do.... God claimed the Sabbath as His holy day- the only day in scripture He says this. It's sad man tries to sanctify a day God said is for works and labor Exo 20:9 and one God did not, instead of the day He told us to keep holy, basically man trying to sanctity themselves and essentially making one their own god..

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath day is about spending time with God, casting aside all secular activities and work and spending time resting in Christ. It shows God is our Authority, the only God who can sanctify, the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and it is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7 and God changes not. Its a matter of who we yield ourselves servants to obey-God or man. Just like the tree in the garden was much more than a tree- the Sabbath Day is much more than just a day. The choice is ours who we obey.

Greetings!
thanks for the reply, but I still don’t know when the Sabbath begins or ends North of the Arctic Circle, or South of the Antarctic Circle.
please help.
And can I cook, bake, build a fire in my stove?
but utilities, rent all the rest predicated on a 30/31 day month?
what about internet usage?
I have no problem with not working, but what about all the rest?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Greetings!
thanks for the reply, but I still don’t know when the Sabbath begins or ends North of the Arctic Circle, or South of the Antarctic Circle.
please help.
And can I cook, bake, build a fire in my stove?
but utilities, rent all the rest predicated on a 30/31 day month?
what about internet usage?
I have no problem with not working, but what about all the rest?

Look, it's simplicity, no matter where you are any location worldwide it is this;
starts Friday at sunset
ends at sunset on saturday

It is Not linked to Jerusalem time or anything else of the sort. It is linked to the local time where you are. you do not need a chronometer too not important, you can see when the sun sets, if you cant see there are plenty of time for sunset available on the internet by location. you can find the longitude and latitude of your town on many web sites.

Sunrise and Sunset Times for Any Location | CalculatorSoup

Calculate sunrise sunset times for your location using latitude, longitude and time zone. Get a list of sunrise and sunset times for today, tomorrow or any time period.

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Another member here also asked this question , I have searched scripture and consulted a library and it is exactly what people who observe the sabbath do including the most rigid Jewish sects.

Blessings

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

@EJ M

Look, it's simplicity, no matter where you are any location worldwide it is this;
starts Friday at sunset
ends at sunset on saturday

It is Not linked to Jerusalem time or anything else of the sort. It is linked to the local time where you are. you do not need a chronometer too not important, you can see when the sun sets, if you cant see there are plenty of time for sunset available on the internet by location. you can find the longitude and latitude of your town on many web sites.

Sunrise and Sunset Times for Any Location | CalculatorSoup

Calculate sunrise sunset times for your location using latitude, longitude and time zone. Get a list of sunrise and sunset times for today, tomorrow or any time period.

www.calculatorsoup.com

Another member here also asked this question , I have searched scripture and consulted a library and it is exactly what people who observe the sabbath do including the most rigid Jewish sects.

For baking, no you prepare beforehand, a fire in the oven or stove only if it is winter and is necessary to keep you warm and have no other means of heating. prepare wood in advance, prepare everything you need before the sabbath, Internet, I would say No, we can all skip a day of internet I think, the object is to keep from doing what you normally do and think of God, study... the day is for rest and to honour him, want to go to church O.K Your grandma needs help O.K,.. Your neighbour needs a lift to go to the hospital, O.K. all the good you do is O.K. the commandments are all about Love but try to keep the day for him and study pray.

Blessings

Blessings

 

[DamianWarS]

Friday at sunset
ends at sunset on saturday

arctic/antarctic regions have long periods of all day sun. So what do you do in the absence of these key day markers? Does the day keep on going until the sun finally disappears? What if that day is the sabbath itself, does the sabbath go on for 6 months straight? This is something that exposes sabbath law as not universal.

 

[HIM]

this only shows natural cycles that correspond to a "7 d rhythm-like phenomena". the 7-day week roughly matches moon phases, from new, waxing, full to waning (and then back to new). these rhythms would be lunar-driven (not 7 day driven) based on the phase of the moon that natural life has responded to. the 4 phases amount to 29.5 days not 28 so 7 days is not exact, if monthly corrections are not made then natural life would continue to have behaviour changes based on lunar activity that would become out of sync with 7-day cycles (as it already is). it would be incorrect to assert this is 7-day driven, as it is still driven by lunar activity that self aligns/corrects with solar activity making the cycles 7-day-ish but only if we slice the moon phases into 4. In reality, it's continuous and natural life doesn't respond to a 7-day count it would be more like transitions from new to full and back again.

What article did you read? This below is directly from the article

"Moreover, human and insect studies conducted under controlled constant conditions devoid of environmental, social and other time cues report the persistence of 7 d rhythms, but with a slightly different (free-running) period (τ), indicating their source is endogenous."

"These biological rhythms are displayed at various levels of organization in diverse species - from the unicellular sea algae of Acetabularia and Goniaulax to plants, insects, fish, birds and mammals, including man - under natural as well as artificial, i.e. constant, environmental conditions. Nonetheless, very little is known about their derivation, functional advantage, adaptive value, synchronization and potential clinical relevance. About 7 d cosmic cycles are seemingly too weak, and the 6 d work/1 d rest week commanded from G-d through the Laws of Mosses to the Hebrews is too recent an event to be the origin in humans."


Endogenous, from within.
As in anything in respect to us and this world. It is affected by the environment it is in. But our environment does not determine our outcome or the best result. God does!

 

[HIM]

arctic/antarctic regions have long periods of all day sun. So what do you do in the absence of these key day markers? Does the day keep on going until the sun finally disappears? What if that day is the sabbath itself, does the sabbath go on for 6 months straight? This is something that exposes sabbath law as not universal.

People live there in an area that isn't really habitable due to a result of the fall in Eden.
We are not suppose be living there.

 

[DamianWarS]

What article did you read? This below is directly from the article

"Moreover, human and insect studies conducted under controlled constant conditions devoid of environmental, social and other time cues report the persistence of 7 d rhythms, but with a slightly different (free-running) period (τ), indicating their source is endogenous."

"These biological rhythms are displayed at various levels of organization in diverse species - from the unicellular sea algae of Acetabularia and Goniaulax to plants, insects, fish, birds and mammals, including man - under natural as well as artificial, i.e. constant, environmental conditions. Nonetheless, very little is known about their derivation, functional advantage, adaptive value, synchronization and potential clinical relevance. About 7 d cosmic cycles are seemingly too weak, and the 6 d work/1 d rest week commanded from G-d through the Laws of Mosses to the Hebrews is too recent an event to be the origin in humans."


Endogenous, from within.
As in anything in respect to us and this world. It is affected by the environment it is in. But our environment does not determine our outcome or the best result. God does!

the same article you posted. the rhythms are the result of lunar activity since the moon has a new moon, waxing, full then waning (and back to new) that can be approximated to 7 day periods. The moon's phases are continual so its greatest effects will be in the lowest and highest activity (new/full) in terms of effects on behaviour patterns and in the middle will be transitioning phases (waxing/waning) which may manifest it's own behaviour patterns. natural life will respond to these phases with "free-running" periods but are not synchronized to sabbath calendars as they are synchronized with lunar activity. Since a lunar month is 29.5 days natural behavioural patterns will self-align to lunar activity not the passing of 7 days. All this only shows there are responses to lunar activity that can be divided into 4 phases that approximate a 7 day week. This does not show us a demand for rest on the 7th day that is written upon our hearts. Even with perfect alignment to these natural patterns we still need more information to respond to the 7th day as per the 4th commandment.

 

[DamianWarS]

People live there in an area that isn't really habitable due to a result of the fall in Eden.
We are not suppose be living there.

this is not scripturally supported not to mention it avoids the question. even if you don't live in the direct center of Arctic/antarctic which has 6 months light/darkness depending on the season, there still are many close regions that encounter periods of continuous sun/darkness in Argentina, Canada, Alaska, Russia, nordic regions, etc... which are countless millions of people who are unable to close a day because the sun never sets. This is problematic to systems that require the rising/setting of the sun to determine certain outcomes like fasting over Ramadan or in this case determining the passing of a day to establish a 7 day week and shows that they are not universal and are environment-specific. in the case of Sabbath it points to Christ so it doesn't matter if we can see the sun or not because we may still receive the sabbath.

 

[Leaf473]

Following the teachings of the rabbis regarding
what to do near the poles
or whether to use the International date line
is a good idea only if one believes those rabbis are guided by God imo.

Those same rabbis also teach against driving cars or using public transportation on the Sabbath.

If a person follows their teaching about when the Sabbath starts near the poles,
but disregards their teaching about travel,
that sounds like
A person is an expert when they agree with me.
When they disagree, they're not.