Sabbath Instituted in creation?, Written vs Reasoned

[Cribstyl]

Q1: If someone new to the bible would study Gen 2:1-3 in context, would they have reason to believe that Sabbath rest was given to Adam?

In Gen 2:2-3 Moses use 10 noun/pronouns to say that God alone "ceased" (rested) from creating all things.

Q1a: How can we add that man was given God's rest or even a sign of God rest at this timeframe?

The word "rested" implies that God was finished His work rather than being tired and needed a day to recover. What reenforces this understanding are the phrase in both verse this text " verse2 and 3"...from all His work.."


Gen 2:2 And on the seventh 07637 day 03117 God 0430 ended 03615 his work 04399 which he had made 06213 ; and he rested 07673 on the seventh 07637 day 03117 from all his work 04399 which he had made 06213 .

Gen 2:3 And God 0430 blessed 01288 the seventh 07637 day 03117, and sanctified 06942 it: because 03588 that in it he had rested 07673 from all his work 04399 which God 0430 created 01254 and made 06213 .

 

[Cribstyl]

Q1: If someone new to the bible would study Gen 2:1-3 in context, would they have reason to believe that Sabbath rest was given to Adam?

In Gen 2:2-3 Moses use 10 noun/pronouns to say that God alone "ceased" (rested) from creating all things.

Q1a: How can we add that man was given God's rest or even a sign of God rest at this timeframe?

The word "rested" implies that God was finished His work rather than being tired and needed a day to recover. What reenforces this understanding are the phrase in both verse this text " verse2 and 3"...from all His work.."


Gen 2:2 And on the seventh 07637 day 03117 God 0430 ended 03615 his work 04399 which he had made 06213 ; and he rested 07673 on the seventh 07637 day 03117 from all his work 04399 which he had made 06213 .

Gen 2:3 And God 0430 blessed 01288 the seventh 07637 day 03117, and sanctified 06942 it: because 03588 that in it he had rested 07673 from all his work 04399 which God 0430 created 01254 and made 06213 .

Some people believe that God kept a sabbath, rather than God "ceased". This is why God's rest is not a weekly day but rather the place of His throne outside of time.

Hebrew chapter 3 and 4 proves that No man entered God's rest until Christ was resurrected.

 

[Jimlarmore]

The Bible uses the word sanctified to discribe what God did for the Sabbath day. Sanctified is defined as set aside for holy use. Everything God did during the creation week was for man the crowning glory of His creation. We were created in the image of God and were made perfect. Jesus who is fully God told us why the Sabbath was made when He said the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. So if we follow the words of Christ it is certain why the Sabbath was made, it was for man. BTW, there were no Jews around at creation only one man and one woman.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

The Bible uses the word sanctified to discribe what God did for the Sabbath day. Sanctified is defined as set aside for holy use. Everything God did during the creation week was for man the crowning glory of His creation. We were created in the image of God and were made perfect. Jesus who is fully God told us why the Sabbath was made when He said the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. So if we follow the words of Christ it is certain why the Sabbath was made, it was for man. BTW, there were no Jews around at creation only one man and one woman.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Thanks Jim for keeping your reply to one point.

First, "Sabbath day" is not in dialog in the text, God's seventh day of creation is.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.



God's seventh day is figurative of when God ceased His six days of creation and entered His rest on the throne.
The place of God's rest is sanctified by God and can never be defiled by man.

Do men defile the sabbath? Yes all the time

The day of rest given to man as a Sabbath was not kept in the days that it was given.
The fact that sabbaths are periodically and are commanded to be kept, mean that men are to sanctify the sabbath given to them by God.

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[reddogs]

Q: If someone new to the bible would study Gen 2:1-3 in context, then read the rest of the Bible have reason to believe that Sabbath rest was given to Adam?

A: Yes, ITS CLEAR AS A BELL, as God repeats it many times in scripture and also defines it in the NT who it was made for at creation and Jesus kept the Sabbath.........

1. Deuteronomy 5:12
   Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
   Deuteronomy 5:11-13 (in Context) Deuteronomy 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. Deuteronomy 5:14
   But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
   Deuteronomy 5:13-15 (in Context) Deuteronomy 5 (Whole Chapter)
3. Deuteronomy 5:15
   And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
   Deuteronomy 5:14-16 (in Context) Deuteronomy 5 (Whole Chapter)
4. Isaiah 58:13
   If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
5. Jeremiah 17:24
   And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;
6. Matthew 12:8
   For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
7. Mark 2:27
   And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
   Mark 2:26-28 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
8. Mark 2:28
   Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
9. Mark 6:2
   And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

It didnt say the Sabbath was made for the fish, or birds or animals, it said it was made for man (and Adam was the first man) and Jesus should know as He is Lord of the Sabbath and was there at creation.


The weekly Sabbath day is a foretaste of the "rest" of the millennial kingdom. The Bible is replete with instructions pointing out how to keep the Sabbath, the meaning of the Sabbath, the blessings of keeping the Sabbath, and why the seventh day of the week is important to mankind.

God Sanctified Sabbath on Seventh Day of Creation ​

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it [set it apart, made it holy]: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.
The Creator placed His presence in the Sabbath by resting on that day. He "sanctified" the Sabbath, i.e., separated it, set it apart for holy use or purpose. He, not man, made the Sabbath Holy Time. There were not six days of creation, but seven. On the Seventh Day, the Creator ended His work, not His creating. He created the Sabbath by His rest. He wasn't tired, Isaiah 40:28, but He was refreshed on the Sabbath day, Exodus 31:17, by gaining the satisfaction of contemplating what He had created.
The Sabbath day from Creation has never been lost. Human calendar changes have never upset the weekly cycle. Jewish historians have carefully preserved the Calendar and the weekly cycle down through the ages.

Patriarchs Kept the Sabbath ​

There is a 2,500-year gap after the Bible mentions the Sabbath in Genesis until it is again brought up at the time Israel leaves Egypt and arrives at Sinai. Nevertheless, it is provable scripturally that the patriarchs kept the Sabbath.

Noah Kept Sabbath and Preached it to Others ​

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
II Peter 2:5 And [God] spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Thy word: for all Thy commandments are righteousness.

Abraham Obeyed Laws and Commandments ​

Genesis 26:4-5 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Isaac and Jacob Followed Abraham's Obedience ​

Hebrews 11:8-10, 13, 20-21, 23 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God . . . . These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth . . . . By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff . . . . By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
The Sabbath and the seven-day week have continuously been observed. "The Sabbath was recognized as a weekly day of rest in Babylonia as early as 3800 B.C.," (Peloubet's Bible Dictionary, article "Sabbath," p. 573). Epics of Creation, on clay tablets found in the ruins of Babylon, Nineveh, Nippur and Ashur, were in circulation before the time of Abraham. They tell of the seventh day as a "holy day" on which we should "cease from all business," (Halley's Bible Handbook, p. 62). The Sabbath is an ancient venerable institution.

Jesus Kept Sabbath as Special Day of Service ​

Mark 1:21-22 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the Sabbath day He entered into the synagogue, and taught. And they were astonished at His doctrine: for He taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.

Mark 6:2, 5 And when the Sabbath day was come, He began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing Him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto Him, that even such mighty works are wrought by His hands? . . . . And He could there do no mighty work, save that He laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Luke 4:16, 31 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read . . . . And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the Sabbath days.
Luke 13:10 And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is Made for Man ​

Matthew 12:1-8 At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn; and His disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto Him, Behold, Thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day. But He said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is One greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.
Mark 2:23-28 And it came to pass, that He went through the corn fields on the Sabbath day; and His disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. And the Pharisees said unto Him, Behold, why do they on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful? And He said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Clearly, when you think about the definition of the word sanctified as set aside for holy use you need to ask yourself for whose use was this day set aside for? God only? Where in this text or context do we find support for that idea? It says God rested from all of His work on the 7th day and set it aside for special use.

If we look at the fouth commandment in Ex 20 we find that right after God commands us to keep the day holy and not to do any work it gives us the reason we are to do that , when it says, "For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested the 7th day wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it,". This tells us that the Sabbath is a memorial of creation and man indeed was thought of when the Sabbath was established at creation. That the reason we are to keep the Sabbath is because God is the creator and requires us to keep it holy. It's a day set aside for man to rest both physically and spiritually. A day of delight where we can commune with out creator and receive a special blessing.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

The Bible uses the word sanctified to discribe what God did for the Sabbath day. (No, it describe why. "because God rested on the 7th day)

Sanctified is defined as set aside for holy use. (No. defines as "set aside")

Everything God did during the creation week was for man the crowning glory of His creation. (unrelated)
We were created in the image of God and were made perfect. (unrelated)

Jesus who is fully God told us why the Sabbath was made when He said the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. (unrelated, (argument); God's rest is not the sabbath)

So if we follow the words of Christ it is certain why the Sabbath was made, it was for man. BTW, there were no Jews around at creation only one man and one woman. (unrelated,(argument); Christ meant when it was given to men)

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Your assessment above are comments that go beyond what is written in Genesis by Moses account.

Clearly, when you think about the definition of the word sanctified as set aside for holy use you need to ask yourself for whose use was this day set aside for? God only? Where in this text or context do we find support for that idea? It says God rested from all of His work on the 7th day and set it aside for special use.

Sorry for a long post but I have to post this


Absolutely false.. the word qadash {kaw-dash'} is defined as; to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate.

When you said "set aside" I agreed with you but when you said "for special use" you went too far in you definition of what sanctified means.
The text tell us why it was sanctified....
".....sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."


This does not imply "holy use by man" Nor does this text give us liberty to talk about Adam entering God's rest.

Again I say, what is sanctified by God, for God own purpose cannot be defiled by man. That is why noone had entered God's rest until Christ died upon the cross.
But we all know that the children of Israel defiled the sabbath.

Hbr 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
( How could it be one of seven days if one could come short of it?)

Hbr 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
( "Us" and "them" are Jew and gentiles who the heard the Gospel preached, they did not profit because of unbelief in Jesus Christ but we have faith in Him)


Hbr 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
(Believers in Jesus can enter God rest. I swore that some can enter , the exact rest He entered where He finish creating the world)

Hbr 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

As written in Gen2:2,3..about THE SEVENTH DAY where God rest from all his creating.


Hbr 4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
(And again after that saying "If they shall get into my rest)


Hbr 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

(So if God rest was still vacant it's a place not a day)

Hbr 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
(Today, (Now) is the day to get in, if He's calling you

Hbr 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
If they were in God rest why even mention another day?

Hbr 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
God's rest is available to people

Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
The people that enter God's rest are tranformed

Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Let's work at it

Respectfully
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Q: If someone new to the bible would study Gen 2:1-3 in context, then read the rest of the Bible have reason to believe that Sabbath rest was given to Adam?

A: Yes, ITS CLEAR AS A BELL, as God repeats it many times in scripture and also defines it in the NT who it was made for at creation and Jesus kept the Sabbath.........

1. It didnt say the Sabbath was made for the fish, or birds or animals, it said it was made for man (and Adam was the first man) and Jesus should know as He is Lord of the Sabbath and was there at creation.

What you are saying is clear as a bell, is not so clear in your answer?

Christ is saying that, sabbath was given for men to enjoy as a day of rest, rather that men were created for the purpose of keeping the sabbath."

My point is that Christ is not talking about a creation timeline as you use this text, but rather the purpose of the sabbath when it was given to men.

In Genesis 4th day account, God set the Sun and the Moon in motion to rule day and night and seasons........... So, the 7th day week cycle was created before man was born on the 6th day.


Gen 1:14¶And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:



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[reddogs]

Well, lets turn the question around...
Q.If you read Gen 2:1-3, what day did God at creation rest, bless, make holy?
A. The Seventh day, not the sixth, fifth, fourth, third, second or first, but the seventh.



1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
Gen 2:1-3

 

[Cribstyl]

Well, lets turn the question around...
Q.If you read Gen 2:1-3, what day did God at creation set aside as the Sabbath?
A. The Seventh day, not the sixth, fifth, fourth, third, second or first, but the seventh.



1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
Gen 2:1-3

The seventh day was the day God rested.
The seventh day was the day God gave the Children of Israel as a Sabbath. Ex16 shows the first sabbath.

Text proves that the seventh day is a sign for Israel to prove that their God is the God that created the world in six days and rested on the seventh.

Exd 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.


The first three commandment proves that they worshipped other God after comming out of Egypt and they had to be commanded not to continue making God jealous. So the forth commandment was evidence that they worship the creator.

So Yes we agree that the seventh day is the Sabbath. Disagreement comes when we get ahead of understanding what is written.

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[Jimlarmore]

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Your assessment above are comments that go beyond what is written in Genesis by Moses account.

I am only defining what sanctify means here. It is defined even by your own words as set aside for holy use. You say I go beyond what is indicated here but you are spinning the real meaning of the texts in question.

Let's use some logic shall we? Please anwer me this question. Did God need to rest from His work on the 7the day? Why did God sanctify this day and make it different than the other six? Was it for God that it was sanctified only or was it for man? The fact that God is forever the same and Holy anyway, it doesn't make sense that the Sabbath was made and sanctified for God's use only. No way, God according to Jesus Christ made the Sabbath for man's use. The Sabbath was a period on the end of the sentence we call the creation week. However, it did a lot more than that. By resting from His work God gave us an example of the holy rest we are to enter into as well. The Sabbath was to be called a delight the Holy of the Lord. The Sabbath is the Lord's day and is a sign between God and His people.

Absolutely false.. the word qadash {kaw-dash'} is defined as; to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate.

Here's the definition from a on-line dictionary:

tr.v. sanc·ti·fied, sanc·ti·fy·ing, sanc·ti·fies 1. To set apart for sacred use; consecrate.
2. To make holy; purify.
3. To give religious sanction to, as with an oath or vow: sanctify a marriage.
4. To give social or moral sanction to.
5. To make productive of holiness or spiritual blessing.

When you said "set aside" I agreed with you but when you said "for special use" you went too far in you definition of what sanctified means.
The text tell us why it was sanctified....
".....sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

Why wouldn't set aside for sacred use also be considered special use? Why do you feel that is going too far? I don't get it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

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I am only defining what sanctify means here. It is defined even by your own words as set aside for holy use. You say I go beyond what is indicated here but you are spinning the real meaning of the texts in question.

Let's use some logic shall we? Please anwer me this question. Did God need to rest from His work on the 7the day? Why did God sanctify this day and make it different than the other six? Was it for God that it was sanctified only or was it for man? The fact that God is forever the same and Holy anyway, it doesn't make sense that the Sabbath was made and sanctified for God's use only. No way, God according to Jesus Christ made the Sabbath for man's use. The Sabbath was a period on the end of the sentence we call the creation week. However, it did a lot more than that. By resting from His work God gave us an example of the holy rest we are to enter into as well. The Sabbath was to be called a delight the Holy of the Lord. The Sabbath is the Lord's day and is a sign between God and His people.


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Here's the definition from a on-line dictionary:


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Why wouldn't set aside for sacred use also be considered special use? Why do you feel that is going too far? I don't get it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

The text say that God set aside the seventh day for Himself to rest from creating not from being tired (strawman).

10 noun/pronoun in Gen 2:2,3 tells us that it's all about God and not about man.
Yes man was created on the sixth day, but let's not add to God's creation account as it is written

When you say "Holy use"...then somehow "reason" man entering rest.....I'm not having it.

Text say that God sanctified the seventh day because "He finished,"(Gen 2:2) "He ended his work" (Gen2:2,3)....that's what is written, so that's what we can apply to understanding.

In Love
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[ricker]

Clearly, when you think about the definition of the word sanctified as set aside for holy use you need to ask yourself for whose use was this day set aside for? God only? Where in this text or context do we find support for that idea? It says God rested from all of His work on the 7th day and set it aside for special use.

If we look at the fouth commandment in Ex 20 we find that right after God commands us to keep the day holy and not to do any work it gives us the reason we are to do that , when it says, "For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested the 7th day wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it,". This tells us that the Sabbath is a memorial of creation and man indeed was thought of when the Sabbath was established at creation. That the reason we are to keep the Sabbath is because God is the creator and requires us to keep it holy. It's a day set aside for man to rest both physically and spiritually. A day of delight where we can commune with out creator and receive a special blessing.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Hope it's OK if I butt in. Notice in the Genesis account Moses doesn't say when it was blessed and sancified. Since Moses wrote Genesis long after God gave him the ten, it could very well be he was writing about the blessing and sanctifying God did in giving the Sabbath to the Israelites. This certainly makes sense considering there is no mention of the Sabbath before the exodus. Moses uses these anachronisms in other places in his writings.
Also, in Duet. the authority given for the Sabbath command is the Israelites deliverance from Egypt. Seems to apply to only a specific people to me.
Also the plain Word of God says in Nehemiah 9: " 13 "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. 14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses."
So the COI knew all about the Sabbath before the manna? Care to try to explain away that passage? God bless! Ricker

 

[Cribstyl]

Hope it's OK if I butt in. Notice in the Genesis account Moses doesn't say when it was blessed and sancified. Since Moses wrote Genesis long after God gave him the ten, it could very well be he was writing about the blessing and sanctifying God did in giving the Sabbath to the Israelites. This certainly makes sense considering there is no mention of the Sabbath before the exodus. Moses uses these anachronisms in other places in his writings.
Also, in Duet. the authority given for the Sabbath command is the Israelites deliverance from Egypt. Seems to apply to only a specific people to me.
Also the plain Word of God says in Nehemiah 9: " 13 "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. 14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses."
So the COI knew all about the Sabbath before the manna? Care to try to explain away that passage? God bless! Ricker

Welcome to CF, welcome friend, Those are some of my understandings found in scripture as well

When Jesus said "it is written" that was confirmation that the books called "The Law and the Prophets" are the word of God. And epecially the fact the Jesus also said the He came to make every written prophecy of the word true.

To think that when Paul spoke about the Children of Israel in Romans 9 He made it clear that.....4 Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.

Proving that all the rest of world was not called of God untill Christ died.

Rom 9:25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:26And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

We should celebrate when God adopted us as His children, we're joint heirs. Why should were act as if God commanded us to keep the sabbath?

My point is every man were not given the sabbath or God would have held them accountable for what they transgress.
When God destroyed the world in the flood, no mention that they broke the sabbath. If sabbath was given, that would have sent a clear message about Sabbath to all the world, especially to Noah and His family. God command them to eat meat, without blood, but no sabbath command.

From the time that sabbath was given it was reenforces hundred of times to whom it was given.

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[Cribstyl]

I've asks Rabbis about the Shabbat

Chabad.org: Ask the Rabbi { Incident No. 428736 }

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With all due respects.

Was Adam given the law or sabbath, when did G-d first given His laws?


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:: On 2/7/2007 Chana Benjaminson responded:
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B"H

Dear CRIB,

G-d gave some laws orally to Adam and Abraham and these were
transmitted to Isaac, Jacob and the children of Israel who observed the laws
which were then given in entirety at Mount Sinai.

If you need further assistance feel free to contact us again,

Best wishes,

Chani Benjaminson
Chabad.org
P.S. Daily Life & Practice in Judaism:

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:: On 3/7/2007 you responded:
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Thank you....Was the shabbath one of those laws and is there any
reference to know which laws were first given at Sinai. I've heard of the
Noahide laws, what were those laws.


thank you
CRIB

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On 3/13/2007 Chana Benjaminson responded:
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B"H

the Ten Commandments were given at Sinai as is recorded in Exodus,
chabad.org/2896, for the noahide laws see:

http://www.chabad.org/62221
http://www.chabad.org/1313
http://www.chabad.org/132930
http://www.momentmag.com/features/oct06/2006-10_Noahides.htm l


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[Eila]

It's a day set aside for man to rest both physically and spiritually. A day of delight where we can commune with out creator and receive a special blessing.

You mentioned that the Sabbath was a day to rest physically and spiritually. How do you work spiritually the rest of the week?

Also, what is the special blessing that you mention?

 

[reddogs]

So the Sabbath was given orally to Adam, I guess that goes without saying as they all were told directly the creation story by Adam himself in the many generations he lived.

 

[Jon0388g]

You've said:

This is why God's rest is not a weekly day but rather the place of His throne outside of time.

and:

God's seventh day is figurative of when God ceased His six days of creation and entered His rest on the throne.
The place of God's rest is sanctified by God and can never be defiled by man.

Do men defile the sabbath? Yes all the time

But then, you said:

Your assessment above are comments that go beyond what is written in Genesis by Moses account.

Double standards, Crib?


Where is anything about God resting on His throne? This infers that God was so exhausted after all His creation He had to slump in His chair.

Exodus 20:8-11 references the Creation account. It also explicitly says "therefore, God blessed the Sabbath day..."

This plainly shows the same seventh-day that was blessed in Genesis is exactly what is called "Sabbath" in Exodus. No twisting needed Crib.

Also, you cannot get around the fact that the seventh-day Sabbath was blessed and sanctified pre-fall in Eden. It could not have served as any shadow/type to a rest in Christ, or whatever. This is a mute argument.

Jon

 

[Cribstyl]

So the Sabbath was given orally to Adam, I guess that goes without saying as they all were told directly the creation story by Adam himself in the many generations he lived.

Where do you get that understanding from?
Here are what protestant majority believes

http://www.gotquestions.org/Saturday-Sunday.html

What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?​

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Question:"What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?"

Answer: It is often claimed that "God instituted the Sabbath in Eden" because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: "And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine'" (Exodus 19:3–5).
“Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed” (Exodus 31:16–17).
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The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday. The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath—resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ—serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

That's what you'll find out if you apply the bible to understanding rather that "reasoning with no biblical evidence"


CRIB

 

[djconklin]

Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

That is argument from silence; the Bible also doesn't say much about people wearing underwear either. That doesn't mean that they didn't. There's no record of them washing their hands before eating or after having gone to the bathroom (or using TP!), but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The fact that Moses didn't have to explain what the Sabbath was a month before Sinai indicates that they knew what it was about. The fact that in over 100 languages (created at the Tower of Babel) the seventh day of the week is known as "sabbath" indicates that they knew what it was at that time.