Sabbath Do's and Dont's, do we have any?

[TrustAndObey]

Well shoot, I'm off the phone now but I GOTTA study, so I'll have to reply later.

 

[freeindeed2]

Well shoot, I'm off the phone now but I GOTTA study, so I'll have to reply later.

Good luck with your studying...OLD WOMAN!

 

[ricker]

I might go worship the Lord by seeing my mother in her last days before she sleeps, or I might just visit some who are in jail and share God's love with them, or I may simply sit with others in the shade of a palm and share Gods truth.......

What is it that says we have to spend Sabbath inside a concrete box in order to worship the Creator.....

When people see Sabbath in terms of what they can and cannot do, does it wind up being a burden, rather than the delight that God had hoped for us......

I find these endless debates by Adventists on Sabbath observance quite predictable. Of course there willl be questions on what is permissible and forbidden, etc. What could the reason be? Could it be because Sabbath keeping isn't commanded under the new covenant, and there is no instruction in the Bible on how Christians should keep it? I guess Paul should have made it a little more clear if Christians should be stoned to death for gathering firewood or not, light fires, how far we could travel etc, as in under the old covenant. If SDA's have questions on what to do, don't you think at the very least gentiles, who didn't have the gospels to read anyway, would have had some questions?
Think about it. Rick

 

[OntheDL]

Jesus could have healed those people any other day (at least 5 of them for sure). They had been ill for their whole lives. Yet he did on the Sabbath what could have been done on any other day, and the Gospel writers made it a point to record it.

By your reasoning Jesus shouldn't have done this.

They came to him for help.

I'm not going to say no either if someone has an emergency on sabbasth.

That's different from having a choice of which day to go out and help people.

 

[freeindeed2]

They came to him for help.

I'm not going to say no either if someone has an emergency on sabbasth.

That's different from having a choice of which day to go out and help people.

First of all, it wasn't an 'emergency'. They had been lame all their lives!

And, for me, helping people isn't determined by what day of the week it is.

 

[OntheDL]

First of all, it wasn't an 'emergency'. They had been lame all their lives!

And, for me, helping people isn't determined by what day of the week it is.

Huh...I already answered you. He didn't reject those who came to Him.

I was differentiating helping those who are in need and doing the help on sabbath because they don't want to spend their 'free' days.

 

[freeindeed2]

Huh...I already answered you. He didn't reject those who came to Him.

I was differentiating helping those who are in need and doing the help on sabbath because they don't want to spend their 'free' days.

Yes, and he could have done that on ANY other day of the week! But he chose to do it on the Sabbath, and the Gospel writers made SIGNIFICANT note of it on 7 different occasions.

He most probably healed thousands, but the Gospel writers made it a point to point these 7 out. Five of which could for SURE been done on ANY other day.

 

[TrustAndObey]

The gospel writers also made it a point to mention that Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrits and vipers...yet so many Christians take their side to say that Jesus broke the Sabbath commandment.

They accused Him, plotted to kill Him....and why? Because He healed on the Sabbath. Yep, that's all it took for our Savior to fall under their hatred, yet it continues to happen to this day (persecution over the Sabbath), so I don't know why any of us are surprised.

I know there are regular Baptists and Seventh-day Baptists....but I really had no idea there were First-day Adventists. There'd have to be a denomination like that for you to qualify as Adventist Free.

I wish you'd just be honest and admit that you're only taking on the name so you can fight in here.

Back to studying with my old self.

 

[freeindeed2]

The gospel writers also made it a point to mention that Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrits and vipers...yet so many Christians take their side to say that Jesus broke the Sabbath commandment.[/quote=]
You mean like the same passage where Jesus 'claimed' to be the Son of God?

They accused Him, plotted to kill Him....and why? Because He healed on the Sabbath.

No. John said 'because he broke the Sabbath and claimed to be the Son of God."

Yep, that's all it took for our Savior to fall under their hatred, yet it continues to happen to this day (persecution over the Sabbath), so I don't know why any of us are surprised.

Don't miss the part where he 'claimed to be the Son of God'. Do you not believe that part that John wrote, or are you only defending a day?

I know there are regular Baptists and Seventh-day Baptists....but I really had no idea there were First-day Adventists. There'd have to be a denomination like that for you to qualify as Adventist Free.

I have no problem with those who choose to 'do' church on the 7th day. What I do have a problem with is those who choose to condemn those who 'do' church on Tuesday's or Wednesday's, or on Friday's. Worshipping God, corporately or otherwise, is ALWAYS appropriate.

I wish you'd just be honest and admit that you're only taking on the name so you can fight in here.

This is not fighting. This is discussing. There's a difference.

Back to studying with my old self.

I wish you well, 'old woman'.

 

[Sophia7]

I know there are regular Baptists and Seventh-day Baptists....but I really had no idea there were First-day Adventists. There'd have to be a denomination like that for you to qualify as Adventist Free.

I wish you'd just be honest and admit that you're only taking on the name so you can fight in here.

Why the continuing inquisition? Everyone can debate here now.

 

[OntheDL]

Yes, and he could have done that on ANY other day of the week! But he chose to do it on the Sabbath, and the Gospel writers made SIGNIFICANT note of it on 7 different occasions.

He most probably healed thousands, but the Gospel writers made it a point to point these 7 out. Five of which could for SURE been done on ANY other day.

The point is they came to Him. Of course He healed every day of the week.

This is totally different from what I'm talking about.

 

[freeindeed2]

The point is they came to Him. Of course He healed every day of the week.

This is totally different from what I'm talking about.

Then show me all the examples where the Gospel writers pointed out specifically, like they did for these 7 healings, that it took place on any other day.

 

[TrustAndObey]

1. I chat with a bunch of unemployed insomniacs (like myself) apparently.

2. I have to add to the funny error in my math earlier....my son came home from school one day and announced that I weighed the equivalent of 360 5-pound bags of sugar. I was devastated (pregnant) and pictured an entire room of sugar bags as being ME. I went into a very deep hormonal pregnancy funk.

Sad thing was...I didn't catch his math error for several days!! I was only equivalent to 36 5-pound bags of sugar, and by golly I think I could've carried that many, so depression over.

(I'm actually really good at math....just not when I'm pregnant or tired).

3. Free, are you saying Christ didn't heal on any OTHER day than Sabbath?

4. Free, do you honestly think Christ worked with wood (carpentry) on Sabbath?

5. Free, is this thing on? <tap tap>

 

[TrustAndObey]

PS..if anyone needs to know the exact route your blood takes through your heart....I'm your gal.

 

[OntheDL]

Then show me all the examples where the Gospel writers pointed out specifically, like they did for these 7 healings, that it took place on any other day.

So He only healed on Sabbath and turned away people on other days?

 

[freeindeed2]

1. I chat with a bunch of unemployed insomniacs (like myself) apparently.

2. I have to add to the funny error in my math earlier....my son came home from school one day and announced that I weighed the equivalent of 360 5-pound bags of sugar. I was devastated (pregnant) and pictured an entire room of sugar bags as being ME. I went into a very deep hormonal pregnancy funk.

Sad thing was...I didn't catch his math error for several days!! I was only equivalent to 36 5-pound bags of sugar, and by golly I think I could've carried that many, so depression over.

(I'm actually really good at math....just not when I'm pregnant or tired).

LOL. I'm going to assume that this time it was due to tiredness?

3. Free, are you saying Christ didn't heal on any OTHER day than Sabbath?

No.

4. Free, do you honestly think Christ worked with wood (carpentry) on Sabbath?

I have no idea. The Bible doesn't say.

5. Free, is this thing on? <tap tap>

Ooowww! Turn it down! The feedback is killing me...

 

[freeindeed2]

So He only healed on Sabbath and turned away people on other days?

Huh?

 

[Jimlarmore]

I find these endless debates by Adventists on Sabbath observance quite predictable. Of course there willl be questions on what is permissible and forbidden, etc. What could the reason be? Could it be because Sabbath keeping isn't commanded under the new covenant, and there is no instruction in the Bible on how Christians should keep it? I guess Paul should have made it a little more clear if Christians should be stoned to death for gathering firewood or not, light fires, how far we could travel etc, as in under the old covenant. If SDA's have questions on what to do, don't you think at the very least gentiles, who didn't have the gospels to read anyway, would have had some questions?
Think about it. Rick

Hi Ricker,
Don't you think it's ironic that the entire Bible which was written by Jews ( except for Luke ) and it is essentially a Jewish guide for literal and spiritual Israel for eternal life. In this book you will not find one place that tells anyone to keep the first day of the week or to break the 7th day Sabbath. Yet nearly the entire Christian world chooses to worship on a day the Bible does not say is holy at all? I know many defend not observing the Sabbath by saying the law was done away with at the cross and that we are under grace. However, if you really think about it grace is only necessary if the law is still in effect and existing. Grace ( unmerited favor) cannot be extended without a violation of the law to start with.

BTW, the Sabbath will be kept in the earth made new according to Isa 66.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[freeindeed2]

BTW, the Sabbath will be kept in the earth made new according to Isa 66.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Well, let's look at ch. 65 & 66. Is this really talking about 'the earth made new', as in AFTER the re-creation?

65:20 "Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
he who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere youth;
he who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed."

So there will still be death, and people that live ONLY to 100?

65:21 "They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit."

We will build our own houses and NOT live in the mansions he has prepared for us?

We will still have to plant in order to eat? Is that how it was in the Garden of Eden? Did Adam and Eve have to plant? Or was that the result of the curse that they had to do that? Think about it.

65:22 "For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the works of their hands."

Don't trees still die? Will we really live by the 'works' of our own hands?

65:23 "They will not toil in vain
or bear children doomed to misfortune;"

Will we really still have to 'toil'?

65:24 "Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear."

Will we still be praying to God as if he were some great distance away, unable to be seen face-to-face?

65:23 "From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD."

Should we be celebrating the New Moon each month too?

65:24 "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Will we really be looking on the dead bodies with horror (NLT) in the New Earth? Will there be eternal worms eating them? Is this really a depiction of a future time from our standpoint? Think people!

 

[ricker]

Hi Ricker,
Don't you think it's ironic that the entire Bible which was written by Jews ( except for Luke ) and it is essentially a Jewish guide for literal and spiritual Israel for eternal life.

Romans says:"13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry" My point was in Paul''s letters to the gentiles he never once gives any advice about the Sabbath or even says observance would be a good idea. In these epistles he speaks out against "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy;
drunkenness, orgies, and more, He names some fruits of the Spirit as :love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These are just from one place in Galations.
Were the Jews teaching them all they ever needed to know about the Sabbath, but neglected to tell them not to harbor hatred,etc? I know Adventists like to say Jesus gave us an example on how we are to observe the Sabbath, but did the gentiles have the gospels?

In this book you will not find one place that tells anyone to keep the first day of the week or to break the 7th day Sabbath.

But you will find many verses saying the Sabbath was given to Jews. As their sign, no less. BTW I know of nobody, including my Lutheran pastor, who believes we should keep the 1st day holy. (I know there are some, but they are definitly in the minority). Even our local Roman Catholic church has services Sat. night at 5PM for those who find it more convienient.

Yet nearly the entire Christian world chooses to worship on a day the Bible does not say is holy at all?

Does worship have to be on a "holy" day?
The only time Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, uses the word Sabbath in all his writings is here:
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

I know many defend not observing the Sabbath by saying the law was done away with at the cross and that we are under grace. However, if you really think about it grace is only necessary if the law is still in effect and existing. Grace ( unmerited favor) cannot be extended without a violation of the law to start with.

Many also say we are not under the Mosaic laws given "until the Seed".

BTW, the Sabbath will be kept in the earth made new according to Isa 66.

Please read Isaiah 65 and 66 in context.

Jim, please understand I am not meaning these things in a harsh manner. We should allow the Spirit to guide us in our search for truth. I'm happy you seem to find your Sabbath observance profitable, but I just don't think it is Biblical for Christians. God bless! Ricker