Sabbath Day - Orthodox

[Justin-H.S.]

Did you watch the entire video? He talks about the importance of observing Sunday and the cross reference is definitely made that Sunday is the sabbath he is speaking of.

Yes, I did watch the entire video. He went through the entire decalogue. But, yes that is what Abbott Tryphon wrote in the first paragraph of the blog post:

"Although early Christians inherited a sabbath practice from the Mosaic Law of remembering the sabbath day on Saturday, the position of both the Eastern and Western Churches came to observe the Lord’s Day as Sunday. Thus supplanting the Sabbath commandment of the Jews, they chose to celebrate the Christian community’s deliverance from captivity to sin, Satan, and worldly passions, made possible by the resurrection on the first day of the week. Early Christians observed the seventh day Sabbath with prayer and rest, but they also gathered on the first day. By the 4th century, the Church was officially observing the first day, Sunday, as their day of rest, not the seventh."

And finally:

"And, although Sunday is our day of worship, we Orthodox also keep the day of rest, which is on Saturday, the biblical Sabbath."

 

[ArmyMatt]

So maybe it wouldn’t be an issue. If the Priest would answer my email I could ask him.

yes, personal piety is often just between a priest and a parishioner, and more flexible.

as one example, I know converts from Rome who use their rosary to do the Jesus Prayer.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

You should try doing a search on the Ancient Faith app for "sabbath." There's many podcasts on there, not just music.

Here's a quick search result and another post by Abbott Tryphon regarding the sabbath:
The Sabbath Day - The Morning Offering | Ancient Faith Ministries

 

[Union With Christ]

yes, personal piety is often just between a priest and a parishioner, and more flexible.

as one example, I know converts from Rome who use their rosary to do the Jesus Prayer.

OK thanks this may work out for me then. We will see what my local Priest says.

 

[Union With Christ]

Yes, I did watch the entire video. He went through the entire decalogue. But, yes that is what Abbott Tryphon wrote in the first paragraph of the blog post:

"Although early Christians inherited a sabbath practice from the Mosaic Law of remembering the sabbath day on Saturday, the position of both the Eastern and Western Churches came to observe the Lord’s Day as Sunday. Thus supplanting the Sabbath commandment of the Jews, they chose to celebrate the Christian community’s deliverance from captivity to sin, Satan, and worldly passions, made possible by the resurrection on the first day of the week. Early Christians observed the seventh day Sabbath with prayer and rest, but they also gathered on the first day. By the 4th century, the Church was officially observing the first day, Sunday, as their day of rest, not the seventh."

And finally:

"And, although Sunday is our day of worship, we Orthodox also keep the day of rest, which is on Saturday, the biblical Sabbath."

I emailed the monks and they responded. They basically said that the Tryphon article was not consistent with Orthodox doctrine and that the old law has been abolished along with the sabbath and that Orthodox honor Sunday as their day of worship. He basically told me that I should disregard the Abbott Tryphon article as it seems to contradict itself.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

I emailed the monks and they responded. They basically said that the Tryphon article was not consistent with Orthodox doctrine and that the old law has been abolished along with the sabbath and that Orthodox honor Sunday as their day of worship. He basically told me that I should disregard the Abbott Tryphon article as it seems to contradict itself.

I found this last sentence funny, because I thought the same thing, but chalked it up to me being too dimwitted to understand what he wrote.

 

[Phronema]

For what it's worth here's another article by Abbot Tryphon regarding this issue.

The Sabbath Day – The Morning Offering

 

[ArmyMatt]

OK thanks this may work out for me then. We will see what my local Priest says.

forgive me then, I was giving how the Church understands the Sabbath and keeping it. I was not trying to forbid your practice.

 

[Union With Christ]

forgive me then, I was giving how the Church understands the Sabbath and keeping it. I was not trying to forbid your practice.

OK thanks. Maybe the Orthodox Church will work out for me after all.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He doesn't actually say "Sunday is the Sabbath." He just said "Keep the Sabbath."

Yeah that is what I thought too

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did you watch the entire video? He talks about the importance of observing Sunday and the cross reference is definitely made that Sunday is the sabbath he is speaking of.

Yes I watched it and never heard him say that Sunday was the Sabbath day...that is just not the Orthodox position

 

[Union With Christ]

Yes I watched it and never heard him say that Sunday was the Sabbath day...that is just not the Orthodox position

Well then you didn’t understand what he was saying because the whole point of the video is that we should keep the sabbath by observing Sunday.

I’ve also heard that same answer from others and it’s even been advocated somewhat in this thread.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well then you didn’t understand what he was saying because the whole point of the video is that we should keep the sabbath by observing Sunday.

I’ve also heard that same answer from others and it’s even been advocated somewhat in this thread.

Yes I have heard people say that before but that is just not the Orthodox position, Sunday is not now nor has it ever been the Sabbath day...

 

[Hermit76]

When did you email the priest?
As some have said, some Orthodox Churches are in a fasting period and are very busy right now. Also, there's a chance that the email listed on the website is old. I've seen them failed to get updated. PM me the church and priest's name and I'll see if I can find a better contact method.

Something you probably should realize about Orthodoxy is that you don't just show up and join. It is a process that takes months of study and growth that ends with baptism or chrismation. By what you shared of your past I agree that our baptism is a good idea as it goes deeper in the prayers regarding Satan. I wouldn't worry about Saturday if I were you. You'll probably have a lot more things to wrestle with than just the Sabbath. Almost all converts have issues that they struggle with. The Catechumate is for you to have time before you commit. My son and daughter in law are getting baptized on Sunday. Even with the rest of my family having been baptized several years ago they needed a lot more time. We don't do pressure memberships.

We do have services on Saturday and you would want to come, especially during a fast and at special times. That is the only conflict I see. You'll just live with privately disagreeing with the others. I knew a Conservative Mennonite that observed the Saturday Sabbath and many dietary rules. I was one of the few who knew. He just quietly did his thing. I imagine that if you aren't compelled to change the views of others that you could do the same in almost any church. After all, how would anyone besides the priest know?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

 

[Hermit76]

Well then you didn’t understand what he was saying because the whole point of the video is that we should keep the sabbath by observing Sunday.

I’ve also heard that same answer from others and it’s even been advocated somewhat in this thread.

Some people mistakenly think that we moved the Sabbath. Even priests can be wrong about that point. The general consensus is that we don't work on Sundays, but that has more to do with the sacredness of the Liturgy and the resurrection than a tie with the Old Testament Sabbath laws. I've never heard anyone in Orthodoxy make that connection... but I haven't been looking for it.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I preferred Dio as the frontman for Sabbath over Ozzy. I take a lot of grief for that position!

 

[Hermit76]

I preferred Dio as the frontman for Sabbath over Ozzy. I take a lot of grief for that position!

How are you even allowed to be Orthodox? I'm beginning to think you're a schismatic

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I’m an Old Believers Dio fan.

How are you even allowed to be Orthodox? I'm beginning to think you're a schismatic

 

[Hermit76]

I’m an Old Believers Dio fan.

I can see how you would assume my response is about rock music.