Rule of the Theotokos

[archer75]

Does anyone here use this ever? Is it really an ancient Orthodox custom rediscovered, or an innovation? Is it distinct from the RC practice of meditating on mysteries during the Rosary?

 

[ArmyMatt]

never heard of the rule of the Theotokos...do you have a text or link?

 

[archer75]

never heard of the rule of the Theotokos...do you have a text or link?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_the_Theotokos

http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/files/rule.pdf

 

[ArmyMatt]

the one you posted is from the 18th century, probably rooted in earlier prayers. saints have a knack for enriching the life of the Church in her prayers and hymns.

 

[Victory123]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_the_Theotokos

http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/files/rule.pdf

It was adopted from the Coptic Orthodox of Egypt by St. Seraphim of Russia. The Coptic of Egypt predate the Eastern Orthodox. It was also said in other middle eastern churches. The Mother of God has been venerated since the inception of Christianity. And development grew as the apostles went to various areas and countries throughout their travels. The Only denomination that does NOT venerate her and esteem The Mother of God are the PROTESTANTS and all their sects.

St. Thomas the apostle who brought the faith to India established devotion to Mary there too. Paganism was difficult to overcome there. But those who preserved the faith, from the earliest venerated Mary Mother of God. This only seems to be a taboo concept to Protestants.

 

[ArmyMatt]

It was adopted from the Coptic Orthodox of Egypt by St. Seraphim of Russia. The Coptic of Egypt predate the Eastern Orthodox. It was also said in other middle eastern churches. The Mother of God has been venerated since the inception of Christianity. And development grew as the apostles went to various areas and countries throughout their travels. The Only denomination that does NOT venerate her and esteem The Mother of God are the PROTESTANTS and all their sects.

St. Thomas the apostle who brought the faith to India established devotion to Mary there too. Paganism was difficult to overcome there. But those who preserved the faith, from the earliest venerated Mary Mother of God. This only seems to be a taboo concept to Protestants.

no, the Copts don't predate us. but you are right on your other points.

 

[Victory123]

no, the Copts don't predate us. but you are right on your other points.

First the Jew then the Greek. I say predate, because in that region, Jews believed before the Greek. They were simply called Christians. As are all believers. I get all the labeling, but all are simply Christian. Jews there were practicing the faith before the Greek. That is more how I mean it. Thank you for pointing that out. Coptic is a language
Cop·tic
ˈkäptik/
noun
noun: Coptic

1. 1.
   the language of the Copts, which represents the final stage of ancient Egyptian. It now survives only as the liturgical language of the Coptic Church.

adjective
adjective: Coptic

1. 1.
   relating to the Copts or their language. And this was spoken by Jews there in the earliest Christianity.
2. The Coptic Language is the name used to refer to the last stage of the written Egyptian language. Coptic should more correctly be used to refer to the script rather than the language itself. Even though this script was introduced as far back as the 2nd century BC., it is usually applied to the writing of the Egyptian language from the first century AD. to the present day.
3. Jews in Egypt during Christ's time and the apostles used this written language
4. .From Alexandria, Christianity spread throughout Egypt within half a century of Saint Mark's arrival in Alexandria, as is clear from a fragment of the Gospel of John, written in Coptic, which was found in Upper Egypt and can be dated to the first half of the 2nd century, and the New Testament writings found in Oxyrhynchus, ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

yes, Jews first then others. and obviously the ethnic Copts were among the first in Egypt to convert.

 

[~Anastasia~]

First the Jew then the Greek. I say predate, because in that region, Jews believed before the Greek. They were simply called Christians. As are all believers. I get all the labeling, but all are simply Christian. Jews there were practicing the faith before the Greek. That is more how I mean it. Thank you for pointing that out. Coptic is a language
Cop·tic
ˈkäptik/
noun
noun: Coptic

1. 1.
   the language of the Copts, which represents the final stage of ancient Egyptian. It now survives only as the liturgical language of the Coptic Church.

adjective
adjective: Coptic

1. 1.
   relating to the Copts or their language. And this was spoken by Jews there in the earliest Christianity.
2. The Coptic Language is the name used to refer to the last stage of the written Egyptian language. Coptic should more correctly be used to refer to the script rather than the language itself. Even though this script was introduced as far back as the 2nd century BC., it is usually applied to the writing of the Egyptian language from the first century AD. to the present day.
3. Jews in Egypt during Christ's time and the apostles used this written language
4. .From Alexandria, Christianity spread throughout Egypt within half a century of Saint Mark's arrival in Alexandria, as is clear from a fragment of the Gospel of John, written in Coptic, which was found in Upper Egypt and can be dated to the first half of the 2nd century, and the New Testament writings found in Oxyrhynchus, ...

Not seeking to be argumentative, but I just wanted to point out for any lurkers that Eastern Orthodox does not equal Greek. It can be a common misconception among non-Orthodox.

We are still in communion with all the early Churches mentioned in Scripture that still exist - with the exception of Rome. And of course the fact that the first real schism was over Chalecedonian.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Not seeking to be argumentative, but I just wanted to point out for any lurkers that Eastern Orthodox does not equal Greek. It can be a common misconception among non-Orthodox.

We are still in communion with all the early Churches mentioned in Scripture that still exist - with the exception of Rome. And of course the fact that the first real schism was over Chalecedonian.

which is also a good point, especially since Greek back then could also mean the non-Jew, as most the Jews encountered spoke Greek as it was the language of learning back then.

 

[archer75]

Anyway, thanks for the replies. I guess my question, since each "decade"of the prayers to the Theotokos is somehow dedicated to each of various events, was whether that contradicted the EO rule against "imagining" while praying. But I guess not, since each decade is just surrounded by prayers commemorating those events, but you aren't told to trip out on mental images of them.

 

[Victory123]

Not seeking to be argumentative, but I just wanted to point out for any lurkers that Eastern Orthodox does not equal Greek. It can be a common misconception among non-Orthodox.

We are still in communion with all the early Churches mentioned in Scripture that still exist - with the exception of Rome. And of course the fact that the first real schism was over Chalecedonian.

?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Anyway, thanks for the replies. I guess my question, since each "decade"of the prayers to the Theotokos is somehow dedicated to each of various events, was whether that contradicted the EO rule against "imagining" while praying. But I guess not, since each decade is just surrounded by prayers commemorating those events, but you aren't told to trip out on mental images of them.

yep, no imagining, just hopefully focusing on the words in the prayers.

 

[Victory123]

Not seeking to be argumentative, but I just wanted to point out for any lurkers that Eastern Orthodox does not equal Greek. It can be a common misconception among non-Orthodox.

We are still in communion with all the early Churches mentioned in Scripture that still exist - with the exception of Rome. And of course the fact that the first real schism was over Chalecedonian.

What do you mean by "lurkers"?

 

[Victory123]

Not seeking to be argumentative, but I just wanted to point out for any lurkers that Eastern Orthodox does not equal Greek. It can be a common misconception among non-Orthodox.

We are still in communion with all the early Churches mentioned in Scripture that still exist - with the exception of Rome. And of course the fact that the first real schism was over Chalecedonian.

So, what are you exactly? I mean, what branch?

 

[Tigger45]

What do you mean by "lurkers"?

 

[Victory123]

AN

And so?

 

[~Anastasia~]

Anyway, thanks for the replies. I guess my question, since each "decade"of the prayers to the Theotokos is somehow dedicated to each of various events, was whether that contradicted the EO rule against "imagining" while praying. But I guess not, since each decade is just surrounded by prayers commemorating those events, but you aren't told to trip out on mental images of them.

Apologies, dear brother. It seems I inadvertently derailed your thread.

This is not a devotion I'm familiar with, but I am glad to hear it might not involve "imaginings" at least.

Again, my apologies to you.

 

[~Anastasia~]

LOL, Hi, Tigger, and thank you for the demonstration!

 

[archer75]

Apologies, dear brother. It seems I inadvertently derailed your thread.

This is not a devotion I'm familiar with, but I am glad to hear it might not involve "imaginings" at least.

Again, my apologies to you.

Sister, you did nothing wrong by me or by this thread, and I didn't mean to suggest that you had.

I think if I had thought about it more, I wouldn't have needed to post. Just the resemblance to the rosary was so strong, I didn't see the differences. Oh well. Kind of an interesting devotion.