Roman church errors and inventions

[JacktheCatholic]

Why are you divided in two or dozens or whatever? is it a numbers game?
There where divisions long before 1054...NEWSFLASH there is only one body of Christ it consisstss of bornagain believers

Simon, the Catholic Church has many different orders but they all adhere to the same teaching (even if you disagree with that teahcing).

With Protestant churces they are inventing new teachings every day. There is no unity and a lot of division.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Simon, the Catholic Church has many different orders but they all adhere to the same teaching (even if you disagree with that teahcing).

With Protestant churces they are inventing new teachings every day. There is no unity and a lot of division.

So what do you want us to do about it besides embracing Roman Catholcism?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So what do you want us to do about it besides embracing Roman Catholcism?

I cannot say what anyone should do.

It must come from God and no one here can do that.

But there is still the point that Protestants are very divided amongst themselves. So what about the broad disunity in Protestanism?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I cannot say what anyone should do.

It must come from God and no one here can do that.

But there is still the point that Protestants are very divided amongst themselves. So what about the broad disunity in Protestanism?

I guess that is for the RCs and Protestants to wrangle out.
I am just a little lamb that follows the Chief Shepherd where-ever He leads me

Micah 4:2 And Nations go, many ones, and they say 'Go ye! and we shall ascend to mountain of YHWH and to house of Elohiym of Ya`aqob, and He shall direct us from ways of Him and we shall go in paths of Him. That from Tsiyown a-Law shall go forth, and a-Word of YHWH from Y@ruwshalaim

Revelation 14:1 And I saw and Behold! The lamb-kin standing on the mount Zion and with it hundred forty four thousands having the name of it, and the name of the father of it having been written on of the fore-heads of them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[JacktheCatholic]

Hey Jacko. What are those little characters in your Username box?

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You mean the dragons?

They are pets. I am on the team over there to help CF with people's pets. Click on the link in my sig if you are interested in adopting.

 

[Rick Otto]

So what about the broad disunity in Protestanism?

Freedom of religion doesn't base unity on outward, "official" conformity.
The factions within 'The Church' have beeny many & some even deeply & sharply divided, the RC itself having split relatively recently with the late advent of infallability which was a surprise agenda for a council called to define the Imaculate Conception. That particular Pope was 'unusualy eccentric' with his "Syllabus of Errors" which denounced freedom of religion, freedom of speech, & democracy.
It is small wonder the diverse group of Protestant Forefathers included many who sought to keep RC's from legaly owning land in America.
Of course for the sake of philosophical integrity they had to, but they restricted it at first to one particular colony;... "Maryland". lol

Freedom looks like disunity to one who needs the discipline of heavy handed regimentation.
If it keeps us from burning each other alive in the town square, it can't be all bad.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Freedom of religion doesn't base unity on outward, "official" conformity.
The factions within 'The Church' have beeny many & some even deeply & sharply divided, the RC itself having split relatively recently with the late advent of infallability which was a surprise agenda for a council called to define the Imaculate Conception. That particular Pope was 'unusualy eccentric' with his "Syllabus of Errors" which denounced freedom of religion, freedom of speech, & democracy.
It is small wonder the diverse group of Protestant Forefathers included many who sought to keep RC's from legaly owning land in America.
Of course for the sake of philosophical integrity they had to, but they restricted it at first to one particular colony;... "Maryland". lol

Freedom looks like disunity to one who needs the discipline of heavy handed regimentation.
If it keeps us from burning each other alive in the town square, it can't be all bad.

I do not know if you are detracting from the question regarding Protestant disunity or merely distracting us from?

So tell us your thoughts on the great disunity of Protestantism.

 

[Rick Otto]

The great disunity of Protestantism is a surface deep picture of a deeper spiritual unity that suffers no denominational boundry.

To say that Protestants are united is no more or less true than saying the rest of Christianity is in unity. It is a statement that begs context & when you throw it like a snowball, it doesn't stick more than a few seconds.
Just like the rest of life & Christianity, you have to go deeper than the surface appearance to reap the real benefits.

 

[Rick Otto]

The great disunity of Protestantism is a surface deep picture of a deeper spiritual unity that suffers no denominational boundry.

To say that Protestants are united is no more or less true than saying the rest of Christianity is in unity. It is a statement that begs context & when you throw it like a snowball, it doesn't stick more than a few seconds.
Just like the rest of life & Christianity, you have to go deeper than the surface appearance to reap the real benefits.

...But all that presupposes we are talkin' about Reformed Theology - 'real' Protestantism. Most of Protestantism today has been colonized by RC soteriology at least. The Vatican hasn't been lazy about reacting to reform since at least The Council of Trent.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Sounds kind of "deep" Rick. Not sure I can handle that type of discussion right now. Gettin late and I am tired.

 

[sunlover1]

The great disunity of Protestantism is a surface deep picture of a deeper spiritual unity that suffers no denominational boundry.

To say that Protestants are united is no more or less true than saying the rest of Christianity is in unity. It is a statement that begs context & when you throw it like a snowball, it doesn't stick more than a few seconds.
Just like the rest of life & Christianity, you have to go deeper than the surface appearance to reap the real benefits.

Awesome and eloquent naturally.
Simple and yet profound.

They that are walking/living in
the SPIRIT...(Having the mind of Christ)
are in unity AND agreement.
(I think ppl confuse those two terms)

I am a carnal Christian.
(If you dont believe me,
there's a thread that
says that I am btw)

But I am aware now, and would
like to rectify that. Life as we
should know it, the Spiritual life,
is no comparison to this junk.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sounds kind of "deep" Rick. Not sure I can handle that type of discussion right now. Gettin late and I am tired.

Kind of like the Luke thread?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7289245

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Sun,

I agree that we are to live spiritually God's laws and not simply as rules.

I think this is why the Pharisees were called hypocrites. They outwardly followed the Law but their hearts were far from it. They lacked Love for God and man and were concerned with pride and greed and things of the flesh. When we live His laws with our spirit our heart is formed to be more like Christ and we learn to Love God and all mankind.

Does that make sense?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Kind of like the Luke thread?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7289245

LLoJ,

I am sorry but I do not have the energy right now to check out that thread.

 

[AmericanCatholic]

I apologize in advance for the number of times I use the word "actually". I know being corrected can become repetitive, but it's necessary to refute your continued misrepresentations of Catholicism.

The fact is Peter is dead.

Actually, St. Peter is very much alive.

IF your position is that Jesus gave all authority to Peter then you might find it some feet below the floor of the Vatican, where it's been for 1,941 years. Dead.

Actually, this is the role of Peter's office within the authority of the Apostles.

Yes, we know that Judas was "replaced." We have no record that any of the other Apostles were (in spite of the fact that several died within the period when Scriptures were penned).

Actually, there are records for the successors of St. Peter, St. Andrew, and St. James. Others appointed by the apostles (and their successors) included St. Paul, St. Mark, and St. Timothy, and St. Titus.

And we have no indication that Matthaias had the Authority you claim was given to PETER (make up your mind, my friend).

Actually, St. Matthias preached the Gospel, an authority granted to the Apostles.

And, while it's never recorded, I'm sure you'll agree that Matthias is dead now, too.

Actually, nope.

Where is it stated that a clergyperson is THE infallible/unaccountable authority?

Actually, that's not a claim of Catholicism.

Jesus pointed us to God's Scriptures (over 50 times!) and promised us His Holy Spirit.

Actually, Jesus "pointed us" to the Word of God, which includes Scripture.

But when Catholics and Mormons look at that "three legged stool" (as Mormons call it), they simply are declaring self to be the sole (and infallible and unaccountable) authority.

Actually, Catholics declare the Church, as the Body of Christ, and not themselves individually, to be the "sole (and infallible...) authority".

There is NO ONE on the planet that stresses individual interpretation and arbitration more than the RCC (although, historically, the LDS came close - it's lately backed way off from that leaving the RCC pretty much alone)

Actually, all denominations which confess the doctrine of Sola Scriptura "[stress] individual interpretation and arbitration" more than Catholicism.

Thanks for playing Josiah!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually, all denominations which confess the doctrine of Sola Scriptura "[stress] individual interpretation and arbitration" more than Catholicism.

How many stress pure Solo Scriptura?

Luke 21:23 "Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck, in those, the days.
For shall be great distress on the Land, and Wrath in the People, this/toutw <5129>"; [Daniel 12]

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb them so that to purify/cleanse the Land Seven Months. And all of people of the Land entomb them, and He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of Adonai YHWH.

 

[Rick Otto]

Actually, St. Peter is very much alive.

But that doesn't change the fact that he died.

Actually, St. Matthias preached the gospel, an authority granted to the Apostles.

That is a novel idea, that a commission to preach is "an authority" ~. Especialy in light of a general burden for that being felt by many among all the congregations, hence missionary ministries (as sectarian turf-conscious as they sometimes are).

Actually, nope.

Well, even if you don't agree he's dead, you cannot rationaly deny that he died.

Actually, all denominations which confess the doctrine of Sola Scriptura "[stress] individual interpretation & arbitration more than Catholicism.

Actualy not.

 

[katholikos]

Christ conqured death, and with him, we are not subject to it

 

[Photini]

How many stress pure Solo Scriptura?

Luke 21:23 "Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck, in those, the days.
For shall be great distress on the Land, and Wrath in the People, this/toutw <5129>"; [Daniel 12]

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb them so that to purify/cleanse the Land Seven Months. And all of people of the Land entomb them, and He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of Adonai YHWH.

The waters may be so muddy that a lot of people may not even know the difference between sola or solo. IOW, I believe some may be practising it without even knowing it.