Roberts Liardon

[iafic]

Coddling never helped me....

Not facing these facts about ourselves cripples us and the Body.

not talking about coddling.

What if the facts are someone is unfire for god and the devil is just mad?

 

[victoryword]

You guys have to understand that you are all preaching both sides of ONE truth:

1. There is the side of showing some compassion towards those who are going through. Besides faith, healing, and prosperity, the early Word-Faith movement (when I came into it in the mid-80s) also emphasized LOVE and INTERCESSORY PRAYER. We do have to learn to put ourselves in someone else's place and pray for them.

We were also taught to GIVE to those who are without. Love does not simply pray a quick prayer with someone that is hurting and give them a list of "positive confessions" to make. It also attempts to bless the person out of our abundance.

2. There is also the other side of giving LOVING CORRECTION IF you see that a person is not walking in faith. If you hear them speaking and their words betray a lack of confidence in God then they will certainly need correction.

There is nothing wrong with asking a person - in an uncondemning way - if they have prayed, if they have stood upon God's Word, is their any bitterness, or unforgiveness, or anything that may be blocking the blessing. Yet, when we do ask these peneterating questions we do it in LOVE and not with HARSHNESS and ARROGANCE.

If we do discover that the person is doing something that is wrong then we work with them to correct it. Love disciples people rather than just advise and then leave them on their own to make it. If I have such "great faith" then it is my duty to help my brother/sister build up theirs.

So you all are preaching two sides of one coin (as my friend Gregg/DebtFree might put it).

PreacherMike (and others) is correct. We have got to be sure that people will not be afraid to come to us when they are hurting. On the other hand, Christina M. (and others) are correct in that we still need to get to the nitty gritty of the issue in case there just might be a "faith failure" or a "sin issue" that is cauing the problem (James 5:13-16).

On the other hand, as iaffic has pointed out, it may simply be an attack of the devil. Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown into prison, not because they did anything wrong. On the contrary, they did what was right. Yet, they suffered much for doing the right thing. Joseph did nothing wrong at Potipher's house. He did what was right, and yet, was thrown into prison.

On the other hand, none of these men cried about their problems. Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises in the midst of their circumstances and got a earth-shaking MIRACLE. Not only that but a whole family came to know Christ through this. Jospeh continued to trust God and was not only delivered from prison, but became king of the world (second only to Pharoah) and saved the whole world during a famine.

Two sides of the coin ya'll. Remember that.

 

[iafic]

You guys have to understand that you are all preaching both sides of ONE truth:

1. There is the side of showing some compassion towards those who are going through. Besides faith, healing, and prosperity, the early Word-Faith movement (when I came into it in the mid-80s) also emphasized LOVE and INTERCESSORY PRAYER. We do have to learn to put ourselves in someone else's place and pray for them.

We were also taught to GIVE to those who are without. Love does not simply pray a quick prayer with someone that is hurting and give them a list of "positive confessions" to make. It also attempts to bless the person out of our abundance.

2. There is also the other side of giving LOVING CORRECTION IF you see that a person is not walking in faith. If you hear them speaking and their words betray a lack of confidence in God then they will certainly need correction.

There is nothing wrong with asking a person - in an uncondemning way - if they have prayed, if they have stood upon God's Word, is their any bitterness, or unforgiveness, or anything that may be blocking the blessing. Yet, when we do ask these peneterating questions we do it in LOVE and not with HARSHNESS and ARROGANCE.

If we do discover that the person is doing something that is wrong then we work with them to correct it. Love disciples people rather than just advise and then leave them on their own to make it. If I have such "great faith" then it is my duty to help my brother/sister build up theirs.

So you all are preaching two sides of one coin (as my friend Gregg/DebtFree might put it).

PreacherMike (and others) is correct. We have got to be sure that people will not be afraid to come to us when they are hurting. On the other hand, Christina M. (and others) are correct in that we still need to get to the nitty gritty of the issue in case there just might be a "faith failure" or a "sin issue" that is cauing the problem (James 5:13-16).

On the other hand, as iaffic has pointed out, it may simply be an attack of the devil. Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown into prison, not because they did anything wrong. On the contrary, they did what was right. Yet, they suffered much for doing the right thing. Joseph did nothing wrong at Potipher's house. He did what was right, and yet, was thrown into prison.

On the other hand, none of these men cried about their problems. Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises in the midst of their circumstances and got a earth-shaking MIRACLE. Not only that but a whole family came to know Christ through this. Jospeh continued to trust God and was not only delivered from prison, but became king of the world (second only to Pharoah) and saved the whole world during a famine.

Two sides of the coin ya'll. Remember that.

thank you...as I have continually said I don't disagree with anyone, but why is it always assumed that one is "bad" before we even pray. Is it the Christians responsibiblity to "bring the garbage out in the open" or is it their responsibility to help one hurting to the Holy Ghost for answers?

I like what one poster said, that he called for help and got a scripted answer. I have gotten that too. A couple times. If one is having any trouble financially, IMMEDIATELY there are "seed issues." Well, maybe there isn't.

I have lived my entire life in victory and walked strong with the Lord, and quite frankly the battle gets a little weary sometimes. The Bible says not to "grow weary in WELL DOING." If I am doing well...the Bible hints to something in that making you weary!!!!!!!! and If I can't come to the church for support and strength, who can I go to? i am not talking about sympathy and coddling...that's ridiculous.

Well if I go to my church to just be uplifted...I would rather not have someone sit back on their prideful horse and critique my life and think they can figure out where I went wrong.

I disciple a lot of people...and when it comes to casting out demons...you better believe I nail them with the garbage and sin in their lives and where they are going wrong!!!! You better believe it. But if kenneth Copeland came to me with a problem, I guess I would probably leave that dicernment up to God and just grab hold of His hands and pray and believe, and strengthen him in the Word! Because sometimes, people actually live for God around here.

 

[victoryword]

thank you...as I have continually said I don't disagree with anyone, but why is it always assumed that one is "bad" before we even pray. Is it the Christians responsibiblity to "bring the garbage out in the open" or is it their responsibility to help one hurting to the Holy Ghost for answers?

I like what one poster said, that he called for help and got a scripted answer. I have gotten that too. A couple times. If one is having any trouble financially, IMMEDIATELY there are "seed issues." Well, maybe there isn't.

I have lived my entire life in victory and walked strong with the Lord, and quite frankly the battle gets a little weary sometimes. The Bible says not to "grow weary in WELL DOING." If I am doing well...the Bible hints to something in that making you weary!!!!!!!! and If I can't come to the church for support and strength, who can I go to? i am not talking about sympathy and coddling...that's ridiculous.

Well if I go to my church to just be uplifted...I would rather not have someone sit back on their prideful horse and critique my life and think they can figure out where I went wrong.

I disciple a lot of people...and when it comes to casting out demons...you better believe I nail them with the garbage and sin in their lives and where they are going wrong!!!! You better believe it. But if kenneth Copeland came to me with a problem, I guess I would probably leave that dicernment up to God and just grab hold of His hands and pray and believe, and strengthen him in the Word! Because sometimes, people actually live for God around here.

I understand Iaffic

I was reading a book by a controversial preacher about spiritual warfare. He had a slight critique about the faith movement. He said that he believed that the faith movement was correct in not blaming God for sickness and disease, but that we could be like Job's three friends in how they constantly blamed Job without knowing all of the circumstances.

I wrote him a e-mail letting him know that he may be right but that he was BROAD-BRUSHING the movement as a whole. I then pointed out a book by Buddy Harrison titled The Force of Mercy: The Gift Before and Beyond Faith. Buddy Harrison (Hagin's late son-in-law and founder of Harrison House) chastized faith teachers for their harshness and appealed to them to be more merciful. I also pointed out several other books to him by faith teachers with similar themes.

The author never wrote me back but I did notice that he made a correction to his broad claim in a more popular edition of his book in which he stated that SOME in the faith movement had a TENDENCY to do this. That made me feel a little better.

Yes, we in the faith movement can sometimes be like Job's three friends (with friends like that .... you know the rest). We do have to learn to love and pray and not be harsh and give pat uncompassionate answers when people are going through trials - which are a part of being in this world (John 16:33).

 

[iafic]

I understand Iaffic

I was reading a book by a controversial preacher about spiritual warfare. He had a slight critique about the faith movement. He said that he believed that the faith movement was correct in not blaming God for sickness and disease, but that we could be like Job's three friends in how they constantly blamed Job without knowing all of the circumstances.

that's all I was trying to say, thank you.

You just have no idea how awful SOME Faith movers can be. it's a wonder I am still WoF.

 

[God_Owned]

Doesn't mean you can't put your arm around someone and empathize with them... or pay their electric bill .... or buy them groceries. Walking it out with people is needed.... but we all have to face the truth.

The truth is that people don't have to face the truth. They don't face the truth every day. It would be better if they did, but many never do. Some don't even know the truth. For instance, the truth here is that no one is suggesting that people not face the truth, but you appears to be what you're hearing said. I thought you would want to hear this since you don't like being coddled.

Coddle is defined as - pamper: treat with excessive indulgence;

I don't hear anyone suggesting this either.

Not facing these facts about ourselves cripples us and the Body.

So you're accusing those who are not walking it the absolute Truth of God as crippling the body of Christ? If so, then we all stand guilty and guilt is exactly the thing that Christ died on the cross to eradicate.

As for me, goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever . Psalm 23:6 ...and I will continue to seek the Truth of God in my life.

Romans 12:14-16
14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Romans 12:14 means far more than putting your arm around someone and empathizing with them... or paying their electric bill .... or buying them groceries.

Compassion means:

[SIZE=+1]splagcnivzomai [/SIZE]Splagchnizomai (splangkh-nid'-zom-ahee);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 4697

1. to be moved as to one's bowels, hence to be moved with compassion, have compassion (for the bowels were thought to be the seat of love and pity)

KJV Word Usage and Counthave compassion 7 be moved with compassion 5

Matthew 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Pity means:

[SIZE=+1]ejleevw [/SIZE]Eleeo (el-eh-eh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 1653

1. to have mercy on
2. to help one afflicted or seeking aid
3. to help the afflicted, to bring help to the wretched
4. to experience mercy

KJV Word Usage and Counthave mercy on 14 obtain mercy 8 show mercy 2 have compassion 1 have compassion on 1 have pity on 1 have mercy 1 have mercy upon 1 receive mercy 1

Compassion makes the difference - Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Consider the following:

Did Jesus feed them first or correct them first?

Matthew 14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

Matthew 15:32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.

Did Jesus heal them first of correct them first?

Mark 9:22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

Matthew 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.

Mark 1:41 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

Jesus said to the man to tell people of his compassion.

Mark 5:19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.

Teaching is part of compassion too.

Mark 6:34 And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.

Jesus has compassion on the ignorant.

Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

Not demonstrating compassion is a very bad thing.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Jesus says we are to have compassion with one another.

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

If you sow compassion, you will receive compassion and God will have compassion on you.

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

People generally are brought to the Truth in stages, each stage being a revelation in itself. Some just move faster than others. God know the speed at which to take people better that we do that is why adopt his patience with others, steadily working for their good at God's speed. Our getting frustrated, because they haven't come to the truth as quickly as we'd like only leads to us to only consider the other persons short comings instead of loving them. This is why many feel accused when they confess their weaknesses to one another. Most try to correct before they have even prayed for or with the person requiring ministry.

This is an area that all of us need improvement in.

 

[God_Owned]

You guys have to understand that you are all preaching both sides of ONE truth:

1. There is the side of showing some compassion towards those who are going through. Besides faith, healing, and prosperity, the early Word-Faith movement (when I came into it in the mid-80s) also emphasized LOVE and INTERCESSORY PRAYER. We do have to learn to put ourselves in someone else's place and pray for them.

We were also taught to GIVE to those who are without. Love does not simply pray a quick prayer with someone that is hurting and give them a list of "positive confessions" to make. It also attempts to bless the person out of our abundance.

2. There is also the other side of giving LOVING CORRECTION IF you see that a person is not walking in faith. If you hear them speaking and their words betray a lack of confidence in God then they will certainly need correction.

There is nothing wrong with asking a person - in an uncondemning way - if they have prayed, if they have stood upon God's Word, is their any bitterness, or unforgiveness, or anything that may be blocking the blessing. Yet, when we do ask these peneterating questions we do it in LOVE and not with HARSHNESS and ARROGANCE.

If we do discover that the person is doing something that is wrong then we work with them to correct it. Love disciples people rather than just advise and then leave them on their own to make it. If I have such "great faith" then it is my duty to help my brother/sister build up theirs.

So you all are preaching two sides of one coin (as my friend Gregg/DebtFree might put it).

PreacherMike (and others) is correct. We have got to be sure that people will not be afraid to come to us when they are hurting. On the other hand, Christina M. (and others) are correct in that we still need to get to the nitty gritty of the issue in case there just might be a "faith failure" or a "sin issue" that is cauing the problem (James 5:13-16).

On the other hand, as iaffic has pointed out, it may simply be an attack of the devil. Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown into prison, not because they did anything wrong. On the contrary, they did what was right. Yet, they suffered much for doing the right thing. Joseph did nothing wrong at Potipher's house. He did what was right, and yet, was thrown into prison.

On the other hand, none of these men cried about their problems. Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises in the midst of their circumstances and got a earth-shaking MIRACLE. Not only that but a whole family came to know Christ through this. Jospeh continued to trust God and was not only delivered from prison, but became king of the world (second only to Pharoah) and saved the whole world during a famine.

Two sides of the coin ya'll. Remember that.

Compassion ushers in the Truth.

 

[PastorJoey]

and once again, my point being that if i am living righteously and doing a great work for God and I go under attack by the devil or people...I am sick to death of the church standing back and judging me...spending time trying to figure out where I went wrong, instead of encouraging, edifying, praying and building me up AS THE SCRIPTURES say the church is for. Maybe not everyone needs to be straightened out.

I will repeat...Jesus did not come to condemn the world, why do Christians think they should?

And yes, WHILE UNDER THE WORD OF THE HOLY GHOST only...I often tell someone where they went wrong in a crisis. I am not even diagreeing with that. But prayer and agreement comes 1st.

The devil cannot steal anyones harvest without their consent.

The seed that fell into good ground brought 100 fold fruit. The seed that fell by the wayside is where satan came immediately to take the word that was sown in their hearts and immediately they were offended.

If a complete stranger talks to me about financial problems, I must ask the basic questions in order to find out where to go next to truly help them.

A scripted answer is better than a scripted prayer without facts.

Sure Satan attacks the righteous, but when your attacked and attacked and attacked and attacked, continually "climbing up the rough side of the mountain",
then friend you need to start looking elsewhere for the source of your problems and quit blamin' the devil.

 

[God_Owned]

The devil cannot steal anyones harvest without their consent.

The seed that fell into good ground brought 100 fold fruit. The seed that fell by the wayside is where satan came immediately to take the word that was sown in their hearts and immediately they were offended.

If a complete stranger talks to me about financial problems, I must ask the basic questions in order to find out where to go next to truly help them.

A scripted answer is better than a scripted prayer without facts.

Sure Satan attacks the righteous, but when your attacked and attacked and attacked and attacked, continually "climbing up the rough side of the mountain",
then friend you need to start looking elsewhere for the source of your problems and quit blamin' the devil.

You should go read Post 66 and 67 and victoryword's very good post.

The issue here has noting to do with seeds or instruction. The issue thaat iflc is adddressing is compassion.

 

[iafic]

Sure Satan attacks the righteous, but when your attacked and attacked and attacked and attacked, continually "climbing up the rough side of the mountain",
then friend you need to start looking elsewhere for the source of your problems and quit blamin' the devil.

I am speaking of ONE event that took place at my church and all the reactions I got for that. I cannot repeat this enough on this forum...I live a life of victory. But try and tell Paul he didn't have continual troubles with the devil.

 

[God_Owned]

I am speaking of ONE event that took place at my church and all the reactions I got for that. I cannot repeat this enough on this forum...I live a life of victory. But try and tell Paul he didn't have continual troubles with the devil.

God would still love you and encourage you even if you weren't living a victorious life.

 

[iafic]

Well, I am actually gonna check out of this thread. The "point" seems to keep getting lost. and I have said my point too many times.

if someone feels that the ONLY way to councel the weary is to blame ONLY them...then I am glad I don't go to your church.

I guess I like the life I lead better: being lead by the Holy Ghost instead of doctrine. Results is what I look for...not who to blame. I get results in my ministry I guess...I'll stick to uplifting, edification, and compassion, and speaking their faults AS THE LORD leads....

Thank you.

Thanks godown!!!! great word!!!!

 

[PastorJoey]

You should go read Post 66 and 67 and victoryword's very good post.

The issue here has noting to do with seeds or instruction. The issue thaat iflc is adddressing is compassion.

Thank you Godown, but I know exactly what is being addressed and agree much with both of you and VW's posts. However the issue really isnt about compassion, it is about iafic's response to the lack of compassion in a few others. This is what I am dealing with.

The rude & hateful will always be with us, so lets spend our time working on something that can actually be fixed, us.

Iafic, please re read my initial post to you. I never suggested that you were missing it somewhere, but that in order to know where to start when dealing with a stranger or someone you dont know well, some basic questions must be asked. Those questions were not directly to you, but an example of what I might ask if I were counseling someone.

 

[PastorJoey]

Well, I am actually gonna check out of this thread. The "point" seems to keep getting lost. and I have said my point too many times.

if someone feels that the ONLY way to councel the weary is to blame ONLY them...then I am glad I don't go to your church.

I guess I like the life I lead better: being lead by the Holy Ghost instead of doctrine. Results is what I look for...not who to blame. I get results in my ministry I guess...I'll stick to uplifting, edification, and compassion, and speaking their faults AS THE LORD leads....

Thank you.

Thanks godown!!!! great word!!!!

i think me and Mattman are floating on the same boat. I do understand about the "teachers" not teaching that, but the WoF followers DO!!! it's not just the critics. I have been in the faith movement for as long as I can remember (more than 22 years) and not to disagree with you...

but I have been beat into the gound with "where is your faith???" Each time I went into my church, if I but even sneezed: i was condemned, not prayed for. if I said I was lacking money: I was told I didn't have enough faith. If I said I had some problems: I was told it was sin that brought it upon me. I begged for the day that someone would say "hey, you are really being attacked...let's pray about this." No, it was aways MY faith this, my faith that!!!!

I recently called Copeland Ministries because of some sudden debt in my life. I explained the situation and I was actually told that I need to start "considering my seed." She went on to tell me that I probably have never planted in faith or in the right minstries. I was speechless!!!!!!!!!!!

In my life, as far as WoFers...it's always been thrown back on me.

And I will say this...the friends I have that are still WoF but yet left the WoF church are the most powerful, miracle seeing people that I know. And when we get together and pray...things happen.

So i have to say, concider yourself blessed that you have not been through what Mattman and I have. But it is the mainstream. Mattman has obviously been in the thick of mainstream WoF and I have been in a direct offshoot where the big WoF names comes through like an assembly line...and that is what we experienced.[/quote]

Iafic, I have included your post that I began to respond to.

It seems your story has changed. First you called KCM, then you say later, they called you. First your bad experiences are a lifetime event, and now it was a one time event. Which is it? If the facts were presented clearly the first time my response would have been different. But judging from your first post that I responded to I saw it necessary to respond as I did. So, please consider this before you bunch me in with these uncompassionate wofers you keep referring to.

P.S. I did not intend for the font to be this large. I pasted it from a word doc and dont know how to change it.

 

[iafic]

It seems your story has changed. First you called KCM, then you say later, they called you.

oh brother...you have to be kidding. I was done with this thread, but now you are going deep to just fight.


For heavens sake...my story didn't change...When I posted that "I called them" I had been incontact with copeland ministries 4 times lately. I wasn't thinking about which time it was that we actually talked about my money. I simply said I called. then I realized it caused an issue because now I had to justify calling them instead of my church, and do I continually give to copeland...this all had nothing to do with my point. So I thought about it and remembered it was the time of two that THEY called me. and I then just stated that the truth is they actually called me

First your bad experiences are a lifetime event, and now it was a one time event. Which is it?

I never stated MY ACTUAL PROBLEM was a lifetime event. There was a time in my life that me and the devil...yes the devil, were going head to head. And the church didn't care...it was my fault. it concerned several areas...finances, family, church, life, friends, etc...one event...many facets... and it lasted longer than one week OK?

Now to say that I would walk into the church and be condemned for sneezing was true. I actually walked into church one day and I got a tickle in my nose. I sneezed. and three people jumped on me and pointed their finger in my face and told me to get with it and get over that cold. where was my faith????

I didn't have a cold. I sneezed. Dust maybe?

yes, that was a lifetime, on going problem with my church. I got tired of it. I lived in an apartment...I was actually told that I was "not in God's best will for my life" if I didn't own a house. I didn't want a house. I loved where I lived and knew I would be leaving MN someday. Yes, this was an ON GOING problem with condemnation!!! I drove a Chevy pickup with 265,000 miles on it and it ran like a dickens still!!! But you guessed it...I was told, someone had "a word" from God that I was supposed to be driving this wooptydo fancy luxury car. What in heavens name would I do with a big ol expensive fancy car when I love my truck and haul stuff around in it. Yes that was a lifetime on going problem with my church. !!!!

So where was is it that you are confused???

If the facts were presented clearly the first time my response would have been different. But judging from your first post that I responded to I saw it necessary to respond as I did. So, please consider this before you bunch me in with these uncompassionate wofers you keep referring to.

I didn't post for your councel. You don't need all my proper information. This isn't the "help me" thread. not everyone who opens their mouth is desiring councel. My post was in reply to "wof teachers." It wasn't about me, but turned that way quickly. I wasn't looking for you to councel me or explain how you councel others. I simply said that many wof people, that mattman and I know, are very harsh.

 

[iafic]

...not sure where my post went...post is now below...

 

[God_Owned]

Thank you Godown, but I know exactly what is being addressed and agree much with both of you and VW's posts. However the issue really isnt about compassion, it is about iafic's response to the lack of compassion in a few others. This is what I am dealing with.

The rude & hateful will always be with us, so lets spend our time working on something that can actually be fixed, us.

Iafic, please re read my initial post to you. I never suggested that you were missing it somewhere, but that in order to know where to start when dealing with a stranger or someone you dont know well, some basic questions must be asked. Those questions were not directly to you, but an example of what I might ask if I were counseling someone.

It is about compassion. You sinply don't hear the cry of her heart.

 

[iafic]

oops, what happened to my post???

here it is again..

James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Where in this scripture does it say "where is your faith?"

no, it instructs us OUR JOB when a needy brother comes to the door. in fact in vs 17 it is OUR faith that is dead if we don't give what is needful. Not the needy brothers.

 

[God_Owned]

oops, what happened to my post???

here it is again..

James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Where is this scripture does it say "where is your faith?"

no, it instructs us OUR JOB when a needy brother comes to the door. in fact in vs 17 it is OUR faith that is dead if we don't give what is needful. Not the needy brothers.

Great point!

 

[Christina M]

It is about compassion. You sinply don't hear the cry of her heart.

And some of you aren't hearing our hearts.....