Robert Young's "Hints and helps to Bible Interpretation"

[TaylorSexton]

...there was a sorcerer named Bar Jesus in the New Testament.
The literal Translation would mean son of Jesus, are we to understand this to be truth?

Yes. Ἰησοῦς (what is most times translated "Jesus" from Koiné Greek) can also mean Joshua, as is the case here with "Bar-Jesus." You have to remember that names in Greek are difficult because they are often, as in the case of "Bar-Jesus," transliterations (not translations) of Hebrew/Aramaic. See, for instance, Hebrews 4:8 (in something other than the KJV, which gets it wrong (although they do offer a footnote correcting it in some editions).

 

[now faith]

Yes. Ἰησοῦς (what is most times translated "Jesus" from Koiné Greek) can also mean Joshua, as is the case here with "Bar-Jesus." You have to remember that names in Greek are difficult because they are often, as in the case of "Bar-Jesus," transliterations (not translations) of Hebrew/Aramaic. See, for instance, Hebrews 4:8 (in something other than the KJV, which gets it wrong (although they do offer a footnote correcting it in some editions).

If you look at the NIV you will find Jesus and Satan described in the same manner.

This simply shows us the difference in translation,The literal translation does not consider the context of the narrative ,so do we use the same description for Christ and Satan?

Bar-Jesus is Aramaic in orgin it means son of Jesus ,son of Joshua son of Yah who saves.
The King James got it right in the terminologies with Christ and Satan ,in Revelation and Isaiah.

 

[now faith]

I have attempted to follow the discussion here. I believe the bible in the original language is absolutely true. This discussion says that God is not the afflicter in Ex 15:26 (KJV) but anyone who does not know what is being talked about here will believe the bible, as they should, and conclude that God brings diseases on people. With no one to explain these rather deep, abstract concepts people may have the wrong impression of God for some time. I was fortunate to get from a Charles Capps video the layman's explanation in probably one or two sentences.

I looked at Ex 15:26 in the majority of English bible versions on Biblegateway.com and without exception got the impression that God brought the disease.

26. He said, “If you will diligently obey the Lord your God, and do what is right in his sight, and pay . attention to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, then all the diseases that I brought on the Egyptians I will not bring on you, for I, the Lord, am your healer.”

I feel like I have been stiffed by the bible publishing community.

You could consider the difference of the New Testament, as it pertains to a better covenant.
God did not Change ,it is his mercy we have obtained in Christ.

 

[TaylorSexton]

If you look at the NIV you will find Jesus and Satan described in the same manner.

This simply shows us the difference in translation,The literal translation does not consider the context of the narrative ,so do we use the same description for Christ and Satan?

Bar-Jesus is Aramaic in orgin it means son of Jesus ,son of Joshua son of Yah who saves.
The King James got it right in the terminologies with Christ and Satan ,in Revelation and Isaiah.

I have no idea what Satan, Revelation or Isaiah had to do with anything I said.

 

[now faith]

I have no idea what Satan, Revelation or Isaiah had to do with anything I said.

I was giving a parallel example of the problem that exist when presenting the Bible in literal terms.
It is the same type of flawed theology learned by systematic study.
Since you did not reply on the entire post,I suppose you are disinterested to go on and on with this topic as I am as well.
The opposing views of Calvinism and Word of Faith will not find common ground until we meet in Heaven.

 

[now faith]

I will post later your answers as my net pad is low on power.

 

[CGL1023]

Why?

http://www.vindicatinggod.org/articles/Robert Young Book.pdf.

This article is the same subject matter as is being discussed in this thread. What seems to happen is that translation difficulties with Hebrew for certain OT passages leave the impression that the God brings disease and at the same time is called the Lord that heals. I may have over-expressed my disappointment with this situation in what I said. My disappointment is that today's Bibles can mislead or leave the wrong impression about God.
I don't do translation at all so I have brought this discussion as far as I am able to bring it.

 

[hhodgson]

Our only responsibility is to read the Word and accept what it says—without question. Anything beyond that is unbelief.

Hmm! I do have several problems with this quote. Let's see... You say that our only responsibility is to read the Word and accept what it says—without question. Anything beyond that is unbelief.

First of all... "this" is our ONLY responsibility?? Reading the word?" Our responsibilities are to... (study) the Word... (then) receive it... (then) believe it... (then) apply action of speaking it... (then) stand on it... (then) labour to rest in it.

Secondly... Your quote (can) be read as being based on your own private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own/private interpretation.​

Thirdly... "accept without question??" Suggest (in your quote) to replace the word "read" to "study" as in (2 Timothy 2:15) Big difference! Please understand I'm using your own words here for... (death and life are in the power of the tongue). We need to be careful what we say and how we say it. Just "reading" the Word will not rightly divide much of anything, but "studying" the Word is far better in rightly dividing the Word of Truth. And even with that, we will still disagree in some areas. One wonders if God planned it that way. I believe He did!

2 Timothy 2:15
(Study) to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.​

Fourth... "anything beyond that is unbelief??" Again, your words. The unbelief comes in when your belief is absent of unfeigned (sincere, genuine) faith. Actually, the (anything beyond is of unbelief) also would be due to the lack of knowledge and the understanding of the responsibilities when applying faith in the Word.

I hope this can be used as a better understanding of the wording in your quote.

Welcome to (Word-of-Faith)... and Be Blessed to be a BLESSING...

 

[CGL1023]

The Holy Spirit told me repent of my remarks about being unhappy with today's English bibles. To not repent would mean I would be saying that God was not taking care of His Word, which would not be the case, so I do repent of such thoughts and writings.

 

[now faith]

The Holy Spirit told me repent of my remarks about being unhappy with today's English bibles. To not repent would mean I would be saying that God was not taking care of His Word, which would not be the case, so I do repent of such thoughts and writings.

You must do a side by side comparison and decide for your self.
Wikipedia Has a short one between the Critical text from the Alexandrian Greek and the Textus Receptus from the Antioch Greek.

You will find most of the modern translation originated from the work of Westcott and Hort.
Research their history,and you may change your mind on repenting.

 

[Lulav]

Please remember
If You......

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[FreeinChrist]

ADMIN HAT

This thread has had a clean up of off topic and flaming posts!

Stick to the topic of the thread.

Please keep in mind what forum you are posting in as this is not a debate forum. ​

 

[victoryword]

For those that are interested in this subject:

I just uploaded part 1 of a 6 part video teaching series that deals with the subject of God's character and interpreting the Bible in the "permissive sense":

Also a Free companion book is available in .pdf format:
http://www.vindicatinggod.org/sent-it.html

If it blesses you let me know and pass ot along.

 

[now faith]

For those that are interested in this subject:

I just uploaded part 1 of a 6 part video teaching series that deals with the subject of God's character and interpreting the Bible in the "permissive sense":

Also a Free companion book is available in .pdf format:
http://www.vindicatinggod.org/sent-it.html

If it blesses you let me know and pass ot along.

I have a question about 2 passages:

Joshua: 10. 11. And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Beth-horon, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.


2 Kings: 19. 32. Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it. 33. By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the LORD. 34. For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. 35. And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

How would we Interpet these passages as permissive ?

 

[now faith]

Does the permissive action of God allowing curses to come from disobedience , apply to the New Testament ?

Galatians: 3. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

In Job Satan speaks of God's hedge of protection,as does Ecclesiastes .

Ecclesiastes: 10. 8. He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him. 9. Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby. 10. If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct. 11. Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better.

I would view the hedge of protection as God's lifting it a permissive action.
But God as you have said forsaken or turned away,this would allow evil into your life.
The serpent is a metaphor for a curse or destruction.
This is somewhat backward if we remove the causative action that invoked God to lift the hedge.
It boils down to sin brings death,but God rich in mercy stood in the gap through Christ.