Richard Dawkins on God's behavior in the OT

[Tinker Grey]

The atheist has faith that God does not exist.

Not anymore than you have faith that unicorns don't exist or that Odin doesn't exist.

There is no faith involved to say one lacks evidence to assent to a belief.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Paragraph one sounds good.

Don't you think that's different than when you said it was a balancing act??

(that we have to do good acts to make up for the bad ---I THINK this is what you stated).

Well it is. You have to balance the amount of bad karma with the amount of good karma.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Not anymore than you have faith that unicorns don't exist or that Odin doesn't exist.

There is no faith involved to say one lacks evidence to assent to a belief.

Please reply to my post no. 58.
There's no reason to be discussing faith or evidence or belief....you don't believe...I accept that. I'm not going to try to convert you.

I'm just trying to converse with you.
Will continue tomorrow...
1 a.m. here.
BTW,,,I do have faith that unicorns and Odin don't exist. But where/who is Odin? Is it in Erewhon?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Well it is. You have to balance the amount of bad karma with the amount of good karma.

I TRY to only deal with good karma.
I think it's the best route to take!

 

[Tinker Grey]

Please reply to my post no. 58.
There's no reason to be discussing faith or evidence or belief....you don't believe...I accept that. I'm not going to try to convert you.

I'm just trying to converse with you.
Will continue tomorrow...
1 a.m. here.
BTW,,,I do have faith that unicorns and Odin don't exist. But where/who is Odin? Is it in Erewhon?

Sleep well.

I don't have faith that Odin doesn't exist or unicorns for that matter. I lack evidence. There is no faith involved. (Odin is "all-father" of the Norse pantheon of gods.)

As for post #58, it's rather a hodgepodge of statements. Here are some random responses.
1) Obeying a leader in an emergency situation is different than adhering to an ideology that dictates how one is to live one's life.
2) Whatever you think about SSM, it is nevertheless true that Christians have stuck there noses in other people's business.
3) I have 3 grown children. I stand by my statements. Children be raised to understand what works and for what reasons. I'm proud of my kids even though they are Christians.

I have no wish to debate which ideologies have killed more people. The point is that blind adherence to ideologies can and do kill people.

Richard Feynman said: “I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.”
Quote by Richard Feynman: “I would rather have questions that can't be ans...”

Religion is the latter.

 

[ananda]

But who would be dealing out this Karma?

As I understand Buddhism, that is not a question we explore because 1. the answer is unknowable, and 2. speculation on the question brings discontentment or suffering, which runs counter to the ultimate purpose of life.

We only go as far as we can observe for ourselves: e.g. we can observe the Law of Cause & Effect (Kamma) in play, so that is something we do explore & deal with.

 

[DaisyDay]

Wow. Former Christians. That feel they've been harmed by the culture.. You mean church culture?
That's why we're supposed to depend on God and not on a church or a person like a pastor or preacher.

Okay.

Of course atheists have faith.

Not necessarily.

Faith doesn't only have to be spiritual you know.

Yes, I know. Faith does not have to be religious, you should know.

The atheist has faith that God does not exist.

Not necessarily as explained previously.

It's the agnostic that is not sure and is willing to find out.

A person can be both atheist (not believing in any god or gods) and agnostic; it is not mutually exclusive.

And if Einstein had mathematical proofs as you say (and indeed he did and it was proven correct) then that is MORE than faith! And he certainly had faith to be so sure of his math.

If you say so, but it is not religious faith. I have "faith" that 2 + 2 = 4 - don't you? - but arithmetic is not my religion and I sincerely doubt it is anyone's.

Don't you have a nice dog??
LOL

Is it funny to have a nice dog?

 

[klutedavid]

You can think that. It's a reasonable guess. But, it says he spoke to her and she didn't answer. So the text isn't clear. The text says she was alive when it was over. Verse 26: At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.

Nothing about death in that.

Are you saying the Levite cut the concubine up while she was alive.

Come on, really? Verse 25: But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them

Agree. But this event is not important.

You can think that. But the text does nothing to indicate that he was angry or upset -- he just does stuff.

He was deeply shocked at what these men did to the concubine, '...they have committed a lewd and disgraceful act in Israel.' (Judges 20:6)

Yes, I think very likely the whole story is just sort of some "just so" story. It's a very puzzling episode that conveys no lesson to learn. It seems a pointless inclusion.

I agree again and regard the story as irrelevant.

They didn't create a source of energy. They made an observation and gave the unknown a
placeholding name.

You know what I meant.

What I was surprised by was how much Dark energy and Dark matter they needed. Some where between 85% and 95%
of the universe is Dark energy and Dark matter. I have seen various estimates.

If there is that much of this invisible energy and matter in the universe, then it means that the universe ultimately is not observable or detectable. Which generates a paradox in the original assumption of science. That the universe can be understood through observation, measurement, experiment, e.t.c.

 

[klutedavid]

What is the major difference between lack and deny? Will you say indifference and rebellion?

Using, 'lack', as an example; would be someone who was without something that they might need.

While the word, 'deny', is what everyone who faces an inquisitor will do. They will object to the the truth of the accusation leveled against them.

Both the words, 'indifference', and ,'rebellion', do not represent, 'lack' or 'deny'.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Wait.
Do you believe in reincarnation or are you just stating what B and H beliefs are?

I think a Charismatic is Christian.

Yes it's Christian - I'm just stating the definition of karma.

 

[miknik5]

Using, 'lack', as an example; would be someone who was without something that they might need.

While the word, 'deny', is what everyone who faces an inquisitor will do. They will object to the the truth of the accusation leveled against them.

Both the words, 'indifference', and ,'rebellion', do not represent, 'lack' or 'deny'.

we need to use both words and apply it to the same thing, person, situation...

with that said, I am viewing your response as follows: least that is how I am viewing it from your response...using one situation and how these would apply to a person´s stance...either lack of a belief in GOD or deny a belief in GOD...

And what you have said, implies to me that those who had this lack will fair better than those who have denied when all are called forth to be judged.

Please also review your original post as you explained to me that an Atheist is one who lacks a belief in a god...not one who denies god...which is why I asked you to explain what this would mean...and suggested indifference and rebellion...

 

[miknik5]

Are you saying the Levite cut the concubine up while she was alive.Agree. But this event is not important.He was deeply shocked at what these men did to the concubine, '...they have committed a lewd and disgraceful act in Israel.' (Judges 20:6)I agree again and regard the story as irrelevant. You know what I meant.

What I was surprised by was how much Dark energy and Dark matter they needed. Some where between 85% and 95%
of the universe is Dark energy and Dark matter. I have seen various estimates.

If there is that much of this invisible energy and matter in the universe, then it means that the universe ultimately is not observable or detectable. Which generates a paradox in the original assumption of science. That the universe can be understood through observation, measurement, experiment, e.t.c.

Please review post 44 in regards to judges 19

 

[miknik5]

Not anymore than you have faith that unicorns don't exist or that Odin doesn't exist.

There is no faith involved to say one lacks evidence to assent to a belief.

I don´t understand...maybe you can answer the question...
How would you describe an atheist?
One who lacks a belief in GOD? And how would you define (the adjective and synonym of lack to describe the atheist) lack?
One who denies a belief in GOD? And how would you define (the adjective and synonym of deny to describe the Atheist) deny?

 

[miknik5]

As I understand Buddhism, that is not a question we explore because 1. the answer is unknowable, and 2. speculation on the question brings discontentment or suffering, which runs counter to the ultimate purpose of life.

We only go as far as we can observe for ourselves: e.g. we can observe the Law of Cause & Effect (Kamma) in play, so that is something we do explore & deal with.

Why doesn´t anyone explore this question?

 

[Tinker Grey]

I don´t understand...maybe you can answer the question...
How would you describe an atheist?
One who lacks a belief in GOD? And how would you define (the adjective and synonym of lack to describe the atheist) lack?
One who denies a belief in GOD? And how would you define (the adjective and synonym of deny to describe the Atheist) deny?

Or maybe you have me on ignore which is why you aren´t answering the question...

An atheist is a person who lacks belief in gods. Lack means "doesn't have".

 

[ximmix]

On the other hand there are now Atheist congregations that meet on Sundays, have uplifting music and fellowship and homily/teaching on how to be fulfilled as an atheist. So maybe we were right after all.

How many people are doing this? Is it in one place, many cities, worldwide?

 

[ximmix]

Atheism could well be a religion.

Here is a definition of 'religion'.

Religion is a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements. However, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion. (Wikipedia)

So a worldview can constitute a religion by definition.

Since Atheism is a worldview, then Atheism is truly a religion.

Tell me the worldview of an atheist. Pretty sure there are as many worldviews among atheists as there are actual atheists.

 

[ximmix]

But SSM is. Marriage is not meant to be between two of the SS

According to some religious people. What if they get married in a courthouse, and have no religious ceremony at all?

 

[GodsGrace101]

According to some religious people. What if they get married in a courthouse, and have no religious ceremony at all?

Same thing.
SSM is not natural.
It goes against the Natural Law.....
Christianity has nothing to do with it.
But it IS the reason that religions do not agree with it....since religions are more in sync with the Natural Law. (not the law of nature).

I'd go so far as to say that marriage was instituted by a higher power..perhaps God....
and how does MAN change something instituted by God?

Remember that man has always believed in a higher power...not just after Christianity came about...or Judaism.

What do YOU think?

 

[miknik5]

An atheist is a person who lacks belief in gods. Lack means "doesn't have".

So if you don´t mind my asking, why even be on a christian forum to begin with?