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Washed downstream, because of the increased flow of the river. Of what do you think the delta of the river is made?

Its almost as if he is trolling, these questions are just so bizarre. How can there be a canyon but no eroded rock? As if the rocks all just magically disappeared.

Of course they are being washed out to sea @dcalling , all you have to do is follow the stream to the location at which it connects to the ocean.

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Strange, when I am repeatingly refering to https://earthjustice.org/sites/default/files/colorado-river_david-morgan_istock-1980.jpg
you keep using rivers on soft flat plans as comparison. Not sure if you are trying to intentionally mislead.

Prior to the construction of major dams along its route, the Colorado River fed one of the largest desert estuaries in the world. Spread across the northernmost end of the Gulf of California, the Colorado River delta’s vast riparian, freshwater, brackish, and tidal wetlands once covered 7,810 km² (1,930,000 acres)

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Scientists can, and do. We learn about lots of things that we can't replicate, by studying the evidence they leave behind.

And those evidences better have repeatable, verifiable and testable counter parts, or your are just depending on woodoo science.

Sorry, the notion that "if we don't know everything, we can't know anything" doesn't work for me.

We know what we can know, but don't confuse with what we don't know with what we know.

To the degree that they can change, such as we see in those hox genes.
And I already showed you those are not the changes I am looking for. For now I give up asking you to produce more complex examples. I am just asking you that with this claim that "Cetaceans and their common ancestor had two more alanines in this sequence than all the other mammals examined", do you have repeatable veriable tests that show the above claim can happen in nature.
 
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Barbarian, regarding where the sediment eroded out of the rock went:
Washed downstream, because of the increased flow of the river. Of what do you think the delta of the river is made?

Easy answer right?

It's what we see happening today. So yes, obvious.

Where did all that rock went?

Washed downstream. As we see today. The mouth of the river is not in uplifted areas, so the river slows, dropping the sediment,and forming a delta.

I am not refering to rivers on soils or plains but this picture that I kept refering to https://earthjustice.org/sites/default/files/colorado-river_david-morgan_istock-1980.jpg

Yes, that's where the sediment gets worn away. The delta, far downstream, is where it's carried.
 
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You have a silly cartoon T guy
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Luke 17:27

You're looking at rock layers folded upward in the anticline. Here's how they work:
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I notice in the shot that someone has dug out some material at the margins of the layers, to make them look more distinct. But they still look like rock layers, not beams of wood.

Creationist commentators, such as Andrew Snelling in the Creation Ministries International journal Creation, wrote that "there are no scientific principles employed" in the "so-called frequency generator" used by Wyatt's team. He called it a "gadget, which is generally advertised in treasure-hunting magazines, not scientific journals" with "brass welding rods being used in essence, as divining rods, similar to the use of a forked stick to search for water."[16]


Fasold asserted in his 1988 book that locals call one of the peaks near to the Durupinar site al Cudi (Turkish Cudi Dagi, Kurdish Çîyaye Cûdî) and linked this to the Mount Judi named in the Quran as the final resting place of Noah's Ark.[4] The assertion is controversial and not well supported by local toponymy.


After a few expeditions to the Durupınar site that included drilling and excavation in the 1990s, Fasold began to have doubts that the Durupınar formation was Noah's ark. He visited the site in September 1994 with Australian geologist Ian Plimer and concluded that the structure was not a boat.[15] He surmised that ancient peoples had erroneously believed the site was the ark.[15][17] In 1996, Fasold co-wrote a paper with geologist Lorence Collins titled "Bogus 'Noah's Ark' from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure", which concluded that the boat-shaped formation was a natural stone formation that merely resembled a boat. The same paper pointed out that the "anchors" were local volcanic stone.[17] The abstract reads:


A natural rock structure near Dogubayazit, Turkey, has been misidentified as Noah's Ark. Microscopic studies of a supposed iron bracket show that it is derived from weathered volcanic minerals. Supposed metal-braced walls are natural concentrations of limonite and magnetite in steeply inclined sedimentary layers in the limbs of a doubly plunging syncline. Supposed fossilized gopherwood bark is crinkled metamorphosed peridotite. Fossiliferous limestone, interpreted as cross cutting the syncline, preclude the structure from being Noah's Ark because these supposed "Flood" deposits are younger than the "Ark." Anchor stones at Kazan (Arzap) are derived from local andesite and not from Mesopotamia.[17]

In April 1997, in sworn testimony at an Australian court case, Fasold repeated his doubts and noted that he regarded the claim that Noah's ark had been found as "absolute BS".
Durupınar site - Wikipedia
 
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And I already showed you those are not the changes I am looking for.

Doesn't matter. Even a major creationist admits that transitional forms are strong evidence for evolution. And now we have genetic data confirming what the fossil evidence shows. Even more important we don't see such evidence where there shouldn't be any. At some point all this complex evidence has to be accounted for.

For now I give up asking you to produce more complex examples.

Good idea. You should find a way to explain the complex examples already on the table, before you ask for more.

I am just asking you that with this claim that "Cetaceans and their common ancestor had two more alanines in this sequence than all the other mammals examined", do you have repeatable veriable tests that show the above claim can happen in nature.

Yep. We know for a fact that such changes are often observed in the genome of organisms. It's a matter of physics and chemistry.
 
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You're looking at rock layers folded upward in the anticline. Here's how they work:
4796b418825f8329d28f75057a7e637a.jpg


I notice in the shot that someone has dug out some material at the margins of the layers, to make them look more distinct. But they still look like rock layers, not beams of wood.

Creationist commentators, such as Andrew Snelling in the Creation Ministries International journal Creation, wrote that "there are no scientific principles employed" in the "so-called frequency generator" used by Wyatt's team. He called it a "gadget, which is generally advertised in treasure-hunting magazines, not scientific journals" with "brass welding rods being used in essence, as divining rods, similar to the use of a forked stick to search for water."[16]


Fasold asserted in his 1988 book that locals call one of the peaks near to the Durupinar site al Cudi (Turkish Cudi Dagi, Kurdish Çîyaye Cûdî) and linked this to the Mount Judi named in the Quran as the final resting place of Noah's Ark.[4] The assertion is controversial and not well supported by local toponymy.


After a few expeditions to the Durupınar site that included drilling and excavation in the 1990s, Fasold began to have doubts that the Durupınar formation was Noah's ark. He visited the site in September 1994 with Australian geologist Ian Plimer and concluded that the structure was not a boat.[15] He surmised that ancient peoples had erroneously believed the site was the ark.[15][17] In 1996, Fasold co-wrote a paper with geologist Lorence Collins titled "Bogus 'Noah's Ark' from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure", which concluded that the boat-shaped formation was a natural stone formation that merely resembled a boat. The same paper pointed out that the "anchors" were local volcanic stone.[17] The abstract reads:


A natural rock structure near Dogubayazit, Turkey, has been misidentified as Noah's Ark. Microscopic studies of a supposed iron bracket show that it is derived from weathered volcanic minerals. Supposed metal-braced walls are natural concentrations of limonite and magnetite in steeply inclined sedimentary layers in the limbs of a doubly plunging syncline. Supposed fossilized gopherwood bark is crinkled metamorphosed peridotite. Fossiliferous limestone, interpreted as cross cutting the syncline, preclude the structure from being Noah's Ark because these supposed "Flood" deposits are younger than the "Ark." Anchor stones at Kazan (Arzap) are derived from local andesite and not from Mesopotamia.[17]

In April 1997, in sworn testimony at an Australian court case, Fasold repeated his doubts and noted that he regarded the claim that Noah's ark had been found as "absolute BS".
Durupınar site - Wikipedia
Ha, You really think you're old enough to tell me what I'm looking at ? You might think you can run over me like you try to do these others but I think you're funny ..
 
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Easy answer right? Where did all that rock went? I am not refering to rivers on soils or plains but this picture that I kept refering to https://earthjustice.org/sites/default/files/colorado-river_david-morgan_istock-1980.jpg

Is this a joke? Surely you understand that the soil of the Delta is make of eroded rock sediments. What do you think a Delta is? What do you think rocks are made of?

I really can't be bothered with this. Dcalling you appear to have no idea what you're talking about. It's almost as if you're just trolling the forum.

Dcalling: where does the eroded rock go? Me:Well we can see it flow into the Delta that is so big that it can be seen from outer space. Response: not asking about sediment, im asking where the rock went. Me: what?

It erodes and breaks down into gravel and is washed out to sea past the Delta. And the reason the Delta is so large that it can be seen from outer space is because there has been a large source of eroded rock feeding its size, ie erosion and production of the grand canyon.
 
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Ha, You really think you're old enough to tell me what I'm looking at ?

I'm just showing you what they are.

You might think you can run over me like you try to do these others

It's not me that blindsided you. It's reality.

but I think you're funny ..

I actually did stand-up for a while. Wasn't good enough to get rich, though. So I stayed in college and got educated. Worth thinking about.
 
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Times since the flood 4,000 yrs or times 450,000,000,000 yrs


The evidence indicates a huge flood in the Middle East about 7,600 years ago.

The Mississippi River carries roughly 550 million metric tonnes (500 million tons) of sediment into the Gulf of Mexico each year. Luke 17:27

That's not what it says in my Bible. I think we've located your problem. I think you've also assumed that the Mississippi River has been flowing for longer than it actually has.
 
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The evidence indicates a huge flood in the Middle East about 7,600 years ago.



That's not what it says in my Bible. I think we've located your problem. I think you've also assumed that the Mississippi River has been flowing for longer than it actually has.
I don't assume it has been flowing any longer than it has . There is a delta and sediment rate that can be reasonably measured since we've been measuring it , anything else is speculation including old Earth ..
 
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I'm just showing you what they are.



It's not me that blindsided you. It's reality.



I actually did stand-up for a while. Wasn't good enough to get rich, though. So I stayed in college and got educated. Worth thinking about.

Maybe that's your problem , you've been relying on what other people think and teach instead of using your brain .. I'm not impressed with Richard Dawkins either ..
 
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Barbarian observes:
It's not me that blindsided you. It's reality.

Maybe that's your problem , you've been relying on what other people think and teach instead of using your brain

Instead of just believing creationists and what they teach, you could use your brain to look at the evidence. As you see, it's the reality of that evidence that you're resisting.

.. I'm not impressed with Richard Dawkins either ..

He does some pretty good science when he's not wandering off into theology. I think Gould got the best of the argument, though.

Remember, think for yourself, and you won't be easy to fool.
 
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I don't assume it has been flowing any longer than it has .

It appears that you do. The evidence is that the delta has been forming for about 7,000 years in the present location. But assuming that the age of the delta is the age of the Earth is hilariously wrong.
 
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Barbarian observes:
It's not me that blindsided you. It's reality.



Instead of just believing creationists and what they teach, you could use your brain to look at the evidence. As you see, it's the reality of that evidence that you're resisting.



He does some pretty good science when he's not wandering off into theology. I think Gould got the best of the argument, though.

Remember, think for yourself, and you won't be easy to fool.
I believe the Bible and Jesus, I used to believe what you now preach .. I see the same evidence you see from a new perspective .. Dawkins is lost and has no alternative, he is a fool ..
 
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It appears that you do. The evidence is that the delta has been forming for about 7,000 years in the present location. But assuming that the age of the delta is the age of the Earth is hilariously wrong.
No, the delta can reasonably proven young so you can't harp on old Earth , I already knew it was young ..
 
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