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Hi Muslims beleive that every soul , every child was born sinless and with the disposition of direct submission to one GOD.We do not belive in the original sin and that is was inherited.That was a concept that was introduced into Christian by saint Augustine.Could some Muslim posters explain how this 'reversion' concept works, the idea that everyone is born a 'pure' Muslim by default, may be raised in different errant paths, and then might 'revert' back to being Muslim again rather than convert to Islam?
Hi Muslims beleive that every soul , every child was born sinless and with the disposition of direct submission to one GOD.We do not belive in the original sin and that is was inherited.That was a concept that was introduced into Christian by saint Augustine.
So muslims beleive that since one was born, sinless and and birth on submits to the will of god, then one is a muslim.One is raised by ones parents into any other reluigion , beleif or ideology but the Child or toddler himself beleives only in one god.So after having been raised in any other religion or beleif, and one comes to islam it is considered that one is coming back to one's natural disposition so one reverts back rather than converts inot a new faith. Like the prodigal son returning home.
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the just
I am not a moslem, I hate that word.It is Muslim.Out of curiosity are you a Moslem?
what exactly is silly about about that?français;42351309 said:Muslims believe in Tawheed, the oneness and uniqueness of God. and they believe that we are all born with the inclination to wanting to worship this one, unique, perfect God. And we are born pure, and born Muslim.
Then, as you grow up, you might become a Christian, or something like that due to your parents faith.
then, you are 40 and decide to convert to Islam. Well, since you were born a "pure and Muslim" then you are just reverting back.
I find it silly to believe. But that is what they believe!
you may noy have the inclination but that is the natural disposition of man.Man from his birth submits to the will of GOd, in time with a lack of understanding man changed these beleifs and made him plural, and antropomorphic which in the end resulted to man and animals become GOD.français;42352876 said:Because we do not all have inclinations to worship this one, unique god.
français;42351309 said:Muslims believe in Tawheed, the oneness and uniqueness of God. and they believe that we are all born with the inclination to wanting to worship this one, unique, perfect God. And we are born pure, and born Muslim.
The ordinary word in English is "Muslim", pronounced /'mتٹs.lةھm/ or /'mتŒz.lة™m/. The word is pronounced /'mتٹslةھm/ in Arabic. It is sometimes spelt "Moslem", which some regard as offensive.[3](wikipedia)Moslem's a valid way of saying it!
But I guess it helps dodge answering the question
so although you claim it is a valid way of saying it many muslims take it as offensive because Moslem has other conotations.So let us stick to muslim. Also why should I dodge answering the question I made it clear that Moslem is not the appropriate word and that muslim is. I prefer to be called Muslim than Moslem.
a reversion is a reversion, I don't see any different in the way it is interpreted. Once someone decides to revert to Islam then he once he does so he is amuslim anywhere in the world.'Mohammedian' is also out... I really hate it when I read old textbooks and see that term used.
Thanks for the info, btw! Is there any variation in how this reversion concept is interpreted amongst Muslims from different traditions/communities?
The ordinary word in English is "Muslim", pronounced /'mتٹs.lةھm/ or /'mتŒz.lة™m/. The word is pronounced /'mتٹslةھm/ in Arabic. It is sometimes spelt "Moslem", which some regard as offensive.[3](wikipedia)
'Mohammedian' is also out... I really hate it when I read old textbooks and see that term used.
Thanks for the info, btw!
I think you are too quick to jump to conclusions.I said SOME muslims find it offensive and that includes me.So even if the list of others you posted don't see anything wrong with it, they are the minority majority of Scholars even find the term pegorative and prefer (as i said about myself) to use the word muslim and the same goes gfor the term mohamedan there is a very small minortiy that would use that term as all muslim know we are not mohmamedan.Islam is not named after mohamed, Islam is not dead without Mohamed in the Equation. Christianity is not Christianity without Jesus.Here we go again...
Check out these sites by Moslems using the word.
http://www.moslem.org/
American Moslem Foundation
http://www.oz.net/~msarram/
A German site...
http://www.moslem.de/
Here's another Moslem site using the term Moslem...
http://www.ranti.com/en/working_dress.html
This site gives advice on Moselm dress.
Another site talking about Moslem beliefs
http://www.experiencefestival.com/moslem_beliefs
Arabic News...
OIC exposes its actions to back Moslem minorities
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030408/2003040828.html
Yemen Times...
"On the occasion of the Holy Month of Ramadhan, aside from the worship rites and duties ascribed to the month for Moslems to engage in throughout the world, Ramadhan is also a month of reflection and meditation, in which Moslems should take a hard look at themselves."
http://www.yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=883&p=opinion&a=1
MOM, WHAT IS A MOSLEM?
http://www.balcad.com/mom.shtml
http://www.utc.edu/Faculty/Bill-Wright/mossci2.htm
is a secular site using the term in praising Islam.
and as you're into on-line encyclopeidas...
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/X/X-M1oslem.asp
This encyclopedia site has lots of links to Moselm items, such as Moslem weddings.
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0009781.html
This one says it's just an alternative spelling
http://www.4panda.com/special/muslim/index.htm
This site gives Moslem tour packages (hate to sound incredulous, but they'd not be doing too much business if they were insulting their customers).
Both Moslem and Muslim are correct, but the second is now more common than the first. The term Mohammedan is considered offensive by many Muslims and is best avoided.
http://www.allwords.com/word-Moslem.html
The only conclusion I've come to is you've not answered my question about you being a Moslem!I think you are too quick to jump to conclusions.
There is really not one right way of saying it or writing it.I am not a moslem, I hate that word.It is Muslim.
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the just
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