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3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.
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3:15
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
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3:16
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
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Just Me Garry
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I am not sure but did Nero persecute and kill Christians at that period of time?
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3:17
You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
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3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and whit clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and whit clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
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3;18 RESPONSE
Refers to the three items in which Laodicea took great pride: financial wealth, and extensive textile industry and a famous eye salve
Refers to the three items in which Laodicea took great pride: financial wealth, and extensive textile industry and a famous eye salve
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3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
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3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
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4:1
After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this."
After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this."
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At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
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And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling and emerald, encircled the throne.
And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling and emerald, encircled the throne.
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Surrounding the throne were twentyfour other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
Surrounding the throne were twentyfour other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
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Representative of either the whole company of believers in heaven or an exalted angelic order worshiping and serving God there. The number 24 is often understood to reflect the 12 Israelite tribes of the OT and the 12 apostles of the NT
Representative of either the whole company of believers in heaven or an exalted angelic order worshiping and serving God there. The number 24 is often understood to reflect the 12 Israelite tribes of the OT and the 12 apostles of the NT
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4:5
From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.
From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.
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4:6
Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
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