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I believe Revelation 13 is talking about a final system of Government. This system will consist of 10 horns with crowns(governments) and 7 heads of blasphemy(universal religion).

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Notice it says, one of it's heads was wounded to death. The entire system wasn't wounded just one of it's heads.

I think this points to the antichrist and the antichrist might be a religious figure not a politician. I know we've been conditioned from movies like Left Behind that always depict the antichrist as a charismatic politician. Maybe he comes out of the universal religion.

I think if we look at this part of the verse, we can see what countries might make u this final alliance.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

If we just look at Daniel to see who these beasts are, it's Alexander the Greats empire, Medo-Persian empire and the Babylonian empire. So you're looking at an alliance between 10 of these countries:

Iran
Egypt
Turkey
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Greece
Israel
Lebanon
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Turkmenistan
Armenia

It will most likely be an arab nation alliance that will go after Israel. These are the 10 nations that might form an alliance with the antichrist.

I think this Pope and the Vatican might have something to do with this. The Pope is pushing this universal religion.

Abrahamic Family House in Abu Dhabi to open in 2022

The Abrahamic Family House, which encloses a synagogue, a church and a mosque in a single complex, and which is scheduled to be inaugurated in 2022, is 20 percent complete, the Higher Committee of Human Fraternity (HCHF) said in a statement on Tuesday. The Committee, which is also supervising the project , said it is inspired by the 2019 Document on Human Fraternity. Constructed on Saadiyat Island in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, the project is closely followed by Pope Francis and the Grand Imam Ahmed el-Tayeb of al-Azhar, who endorsed the design, the HCHF said.

Abrahamic Family House in Abu Dhabi to open in 2022 - Vatican News

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It will be in Abu Dhabi where preaching about Christ is against the law.

The Pope is pushing the interfaith forum.

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This Pope is also meeting with Abbas pushing a two state solution.

Pope affirms two-state solution with Palestinian President

Pope Francis holds a private audience with Mahmoud Abbas, President of the State of Palestine, and discusses the need for direct dialogue between Palestine and Israel to achieve a two-state solution.

Pope affirms two-state solution with Palestinian President - Vatican News

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The Pope was the 1st Pope to visit Iraq and he went to the Ziggurat to push interfaith unity.

Pope's visit to Iraqi Ziggurat to bring together several faiths - and hopefully lure more visitors

Pope's visit to Iraqi Ziggurat to bring together several faiths - and hopefully lure more visitors

Ziggurats are associated with the Tower of Babel and mystery Babylon is this universal religion. This isn't Biblical. This is an attempt to build Heaven on earth when the Bible tells us this earth will end and not to get entangled with other doctrines.

Will they accept Christ as the Son of God and the Way, the Truth and the Life in a universal religion?

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This Islamic alliance along with the antichrist will try to take over the world but we know how this will end when our King and Lord Jesus Christ Returns!
 

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Notice it says, one of it's heads was wounded to death. The entire system wasn't wounded just one of it's heads.

Agree with the emphasis on this, since many presume the wound was to the entire beast. If we can compare the symbolism of the Revelation 13 Sea Beast with the other Revelation 17 Scarlet beast, the "heads" are interpreted by the angelic messenger as being literal mountains upon which each of these beasts sat. In other words, the "wound" would then seem to be serious geographical damage to part of the landscape itself which the Sea Beast sat upon.

But all of this is immaterial if one does not pay attention to just what that Revelation 13 Beast is. Scripture thankfully gives us some indications by telling us in Revelation 13:2 that Satan gave His own "seat" or "throne" to that Sea Beast. When we look at Revelation 2:13, we can see that Satan's "seat" or "throne" was actually in the city of Pergamos, where Satan was said to dwell in John's days. This "throne" where the faithful Antipas was martyred was the 40' tall altar in the temple of Zeus in idol-worshipping Pergamos. This entire city of Pergamos, along with Satan's "throne" in the temple of Zeus, was given to the Roman republic in 133 BC by the dying King Attalus in his will, who had no living heir to whom he could pass his kingdom. The entire Pergamum kingdom was therefore bequeathed to the Roman Republic as King Attalus' ally, as Plutarch and Livy state.

If Satan's "throne" in the city of Pergamos was supposed to have been given to the Sea Beast, how does this scriptural fact align with your deductions above? When were any of these suggested individuals given the 40' tall altar in the city of Pergamos? If not, then how can they be any part of the fulfillment of this Sea Beast kingdom? The Sea Beast is ancient history by now.
 
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I know that my views are quite different, even radical, compared to most here, but here is my understanding. The first beast in Revelation 13 is a literal beast with seven literal heads, not symbolic. In Ezekiel we read about the Cheribim having four faces/heads. Many angels aren't made the same way man is made. They are quite different.

Most read Revelation as only being about the coming of Jesus and the judgment of wicked people. It is more than that. Judgment includes heaven also. In Rev 12 we read about Satan and 1/3 of the angels being cast down to the earth. The Rev 13 beast is one of those angels.

Luke 4:5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”

Satan tried to tempt Jesus into becoming the Rev 13 beast. He failed so Satan will give it to one his angels instead. Enoch even tells us his name, Azazel, but most reject his writing today.

The beast with seven heads is just that. It has nothing to do with the Pope, Church, government, etc.

It is Jesus that inflicts the mortal wound to one of his heads, transferring the sins of the world to him. See Genesis 3:15 and Leviticus 16. (Many translations of Leviticus 16 use "scapegoat," but the actual Hebrew word is Azazel.
 
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This is about the man of sin, king of the north (all the same person) being killed and coming back to life

Scripture never says that one of the 10 horns is killed and brought back to life. It says that one of the seven heads is wounded. Heads are interpreted by the angel in Revelation 17 as being literal mountains upon which the Scarlet Beast sat, so it would seem that the seven heads in Revelation 13 are also literal mountains there as well. The "wound" would therefore not be injury given to a person, but to part of the geographical landscape location where the Sea Beast was situated.
 
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I believe Revelation 13 is talking about a final system of Government. This system will consist of 10 horns with crowns(governments) and 7 heads of blasphemy(universal religion).

What do you make of the 2020 Abraham Accords?
 
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Most read Revelation as only being about the coming of Jesus and the judgment of wicked people. It is more than that. Judgment includes heaven also. In Rev 12 we read about Satan and 1/3 of the angels being cast down to the earth. The Rev 13 beast is one of those angels.

The beast comes up from the pit, not down from Heaven.

The little horn stands with the other kings representing their kingdoms... so the little horn is also a king representing his kingdom. The dragon is there at the end and gets put in chains and cast to the pit... whle the other two (institutions?) get tossed into the lake of fire (no white throne judgment for them to wait for, so they're not people)... but where is the dragon the rest of the 1260 days? Still hanging out in the background, or front and center?
 
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The beast comes up from the pit, not down from Heaven.

Yes, of course. I did not fully explain this since I didn't think anyone would hear anyway. Most of Satan's angels are still in heaven to be cast out with him. A few, however, already came down to earth in the days of Jared to defile themselves with women and animals. Azazel is one of those. They all were sent into the abyss except Azazel, who was buried in the desert.

Enoch 10: ... 4 And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there forever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire. ... 8 Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted 9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.' ... 15 To Michael likewise the Lord said, Go and announce his crime to Samyaza, and to the others who are with him, who have been associated with women, that they might be polluted with all their impurity. And when all their sons shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of consummation, until the judgment, the effect of which will last forever, be completed.

The little horn stands with the other kings representing their kingdoms... so the little horn is also a king representing his kingdom. The dragon is there at the end and gets put in chains and cast to the pit... whle the other two (institutions?) get tossed into the lake of fire (no white throne judgment for them to wait for, so they're not people)... but where is the dragon the rest of the 1260 days? Still hanging out in the background, or front and center?

The little horn is the second Rev 13 beast, the false prophet, the son of perdition/destruction. Yes, he is a man that lived on the earth at one time and now he is in destruction, a division of Hades, and will come back up to the earth. Of the ten other kings loyal to Azazel at that time three will be uprooted by him, leaving seven. Remember, Daniel and Revelation is not just about human beings.

As for your latter questions, Satan will give his authority to Azazel for the 1260 days. Exactly what he will be doing during that time isn't written. His throne will be at Pergamos. Perhaps, he is orchestrating his madness from there. We aren't told exactly. At the end of those days, Satan takes part in rounding up the army to fight at Armageddon, Rev 16. Other than that, we can only guess what he will be doing.

Contrary to popular belief, Satan doesn't care about being worshipped or having a kingdom. He knows his fate includes neither. He is simply invested in doing evil to God and His people. Therefore, if he causes people to worship Azazel instead of himself it all works toward his evil ways just the same.
 
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Scripture never says that one of the 10 horns is killed and brought back to life. It says that one of the seven heads is wounded. Heads are interpreted by the angel in Revelation 17 as being literal mountains upon which the Scarlet Beast sat, so it would seem that the seven heads in Revelation 13 are also literal mountains there as well. The "wound" would therefore not be injury given to a person, but to part of the geographical landscape location where the Sea Beast was situated.

And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.
 
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The beast comes up from the pit, not down from Heaven.

The little horn stands with the other kings representing their kingdoms... so the little horn is also a king representing his kingdom. The dragon is there at the end and gets put in chains and cast to the pit... whle the other two (institutions?) get tossed into the lake of fire (no white throne judgment for them to wait for, so they're not people)... but where is the dragon the rest of the 1260 days? Still hanging out in the background, or front and center?

The beast are people, beast out of the sea (gentiles) and the beast from the land (Jewish). 1st beast man of sin/king of the north, 2nd beast false prophet/anitchrist
 
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This is about the man of sin, king of the north (all the same person) being killed and coming back to life. But after his deadly wound is healed he is now possessed by a past roman ruler.

This book covers this really well. Zane Hodges, Power to make War. https://www.amazon.com/Power-Make-War-Zane-Hodges/dp/1879534010/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Exactly!

Apostle John tells us which ruler this may be in Revelation 17. It says:

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The one that is was Domitian. This was written in 96 A.D. The five that are fallen are:

Titus, Vespasian, Vitellius, Otho, Galba

The 7th that remaineth for a short space is Nerva who ruled for 16 months.

This is why some Christians back then thought the 8th king was Trajan but John tells you the 8th king is a future king, a vessel, who will be inhabeted by the soul of one of these 7 kings. This beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and is the 8th king but OF THE SEVEN. These seven are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespatian, Titus, Domitian and Nerva.

I would say it's Titus. He destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D. under Emperor Vespasian. He wanted to put Roman idols in the Temple but when he saw it was on fire he wanted to destroy the Temple in a way that it would be erased from memory. As Jesus said:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is why I don't think the Dome of the Rock or the wailing wall is the site of the second Temple. I think it's in the City of David but that's another thread.

Vespasian threw Jews into the Dead Sea with their hands tied behind they're back just to see if they float. Domitian was a tyrant. So like I said, I think it may be Titus but it can be any one of the 7. Some people think it's Nero but Nero had a surprisingly good relationship with many Jews because of his wife. He went after Christians and I think the end times will be focus on Israel. The soul of Titus will still have a strong desire to destroy the Jews but it can be any 1 of the 7.

I think the beast(one of it's heads) will be wounded to death. People will say he died several times in the operating room and it's a miracle that he's alive. This will be someone, a vessel, that I believe is on the world stage today. He will get a deadly wound and then the soul of one of the 7 kings will ascend from the bottomless pit and take over his body. So watch for the deadly wound. This starts the final 7 year period and the lawless one will be revealed.

The Bible tells us the Holy Spirit is Restraining this beast system of the sea from rising until the man of sin is revealed. This is the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Also, the ten horns with crowns from Revelation could be an Islamic alliance of 10 of the countries that's from Alexander the Greats empire, Medo-Persian empire and the Babylonian empire. So you're looking at an alliance between 10 of these countries:

Iran
Egypt
Turkey
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Greece
Israel
Lebanon
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Turkmenistan
Armenia

The Bible says:

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


These leaders could also be demonic and they get their crowns in one hour with the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit. These demons or the fallen ones could take over the bodies of the leaders from ten of these countries.

The spiritual battle is going to play out on earth for all to see.
 
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And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

You don't have a particular translation noted for your quote above, but in the YLT, it reads "And I saw one of ITS heads as slain to death, and ITS deadly stroke was healed, and all the earth (he hole ge) did wonder after the beast."

This Sea Beast is not a "He" but an "IT" - an empire, not a single person. The single injured "head" was a mountain which that Sea Beast sat upon (the Roman empire at the time John was writing). This was a serious injury to the geographical landscape which Rome sat upon, which was then healed, causing wonder to all those living in the earth. This is not the whole world at large, but the whole land of Israel (tes ges) doing this wondering.

My proposal is that this near-fatal wound to the landscape was the AD 64 fire at Rome. Nero started a huge renovation project afterwards, which healed this injury to the infrastructure of Rome. He even had a bronze image of himself, the 98' tall "Colossus of Nero" erected near his fabulous, newly-constructed "Golden House". The restoration of the city after this disaster in the city of Rome would have caused those in the land of Israel to marvel.
 
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You don't have a particular translation noted for your quote above, but in the YLT, it reads "And I saw one of ITS heads as slain to death, and ITS deadly stroke was healed, and all the earth (he hole ge) did wonder after the beast."

This Sea Beast is not a "He" but an "IT" - an empire, not a single person. The single injured "head" was a mountain which that Sea Beast sat upon (the Roman empire at the time John was writing). This was a serious injury to the geographical landscape which Rome sat upon, which was then healed, causing wonder to all those living in the earth. This is not the whole world at large, but the whole land of Israel (tes ges) doing this wondering.

My proposal is that this near-fatal wound to the landscape was the AD 64 fire at Rome. Nero started a huge renovation project afterwards, which healed this injury to the infrastructure of Rome. He even had a bronze image of himself, the 98' tall "Colossus of Nero" erected near his fabulous, newly-constructed "Golden House". The restoration of the city after this disaster in the city of Rome would have caused those in the land of Israel to marvel.

I have been around here for a few years now and have learned to not do back and forths, in areas like prophecy a big waist of time. So you believe as you will good day.
 
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This is about the man of sin, king of the north (all the same person) being killed and coming back to life. But after his deadly wound is healed he is now possessed by a past roman ruler.

This book covers this really well. Zane Hodges, Power to make War. https://www.amazon.com/Power-Make-War-Zane-Hodges/dp/1879534010/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8


I'm not about to buy that book, so where then in Daniel 11 does it ever say the king of the north is killed and then coming back to life?
 
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Exactly!

Apostle John tells us which ruler this may be in Revelation 17. It says:

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The one that is was Domitian. This was written in 96 A.D. The five that are fallen are:

Titus, Vespasian, Vitellius, Otho, Galba

The 7th that remaineth for a short space is Nerva who ruled for 16 months.

This is why some Christians back then thought the 8th king was Trajan but John tells you the 8th king is a future king, a vessel, who will be inhabeted by the soul of one of these 7 kings. This beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and is the 8th king but OF THE SEVEN. These seven are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespatian, Titus, Domitian and Nerva.

I would say it's Titus. He destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D. under Emperor Vespasian. He wanted to put Roman idols in the Temple but when he saw it was on fire he wanted to destroy the Temple in a way that it would be erased from memory. As Jesus said:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is why I don't think the Dome of the Rock or the wailing wall is the site of the second Temple. I think it's in the City of David but that's another thread.

Vespasian threw Jews into the Dead Sea with their hands tied behind they're back just to see if they float. Domitian was a tyrant. So like I said, I think it may be Titus but it can be any one of the 7. Some people think it's Nero but Nero had a surprisingly good relationship with many Jews because of his wife. He went after Christians and I think the end times will be focus on Israel. The soul of Titus will still have a strong desire to destroy the Jews but it can be any 1 of the 7.

I think the beast(one of it's heads) will be wounded to death. People will say he died several times in the operating room and it's a miracle that he's alive. This will be someone, a vessel, that I believe is on the world stage today. He will get a deadly wound and then the soul of one of the 7 kings will ascend from the bottomless pit and take over his body. So watch for the deadly wound. This starts the final 7 year period and the lawless one will be revealed.

The Bible tells us the Holy Spirit is Restraining this beast system of the sea from rising until the man of sin is revealed. This is the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Also, the ten horns with crowns from Revelation could be an Islamic alliance of 10 of the countries that's from Alexander the Greats empire, Medo-Persian empire and the Babylonian empire. So you're looking at an alliance between 10 of these countries:

Iran
Egypt
Turkey
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Greece
Israel
Lebanon
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Turkmenistan
Armenia

The Bible says:

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


These leaders could also be demonic and they get their crowns in one hour with the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit. These demons or the fallen ones could take over the bodies of the leaders from ten of these countries.

The spiritual battle is going to play out on earth for all to see.

From a favorite teacher of mine, he thinks augustus may be the roman leader brought up.

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The beast are people, beast out of the sea (gentiles) and the beast from the land (Jewish). 1st beast man of sin/king of the north, 2nd beast false prophet/anitchrist

Then all of the people of the beast, wearing his name, will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. Fine, have it your way. BTW, the sea is not just the nations called Gentile.
 
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