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Featured Revelation in order?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Bipolargirl, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    No, nor does 6666 have any biblical significance. It is also amusing that you cite something where 2 say 6666 verses and 4 do not agree.

    How Many Verses (Ayahs) Are There in the Quran? - Ask a Question to Us

    This site ultimately concluded that it has 6236 verses because the larger numbers came from taking a long verse and breaking it up into two or more verses which clearly inflates the number of verses.
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  2. LittleLambofJesus

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    Sure it does.
    There is a general consensus that Luke 21 is showing the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem.

    Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:10 go together like white on rice .......Do others just not want to see Revelation as 70ad Jerusalem for some reason?

    This is still part of the Temple/Jerusalem discourse BEFORE 70AD

    Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10


    Luke 21:24
    And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
    And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
    [Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

    Revelation 12:2
    and the Court/fold, without of the Sanctuary, be casting-out! out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
    and the holy City they shall be treading forty two months.


    Revelation 13:10
    If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
    If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
    Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints


    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    The Destruction of Jerusalem

    The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, ................
    .Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

    ........the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.
    After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves,
    or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ;
    whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.[Deuteronomy 28:68]

    Deuteronomy 28:
    15 If, however, you do not obey Yahweh thy Elohim by carefully following all His commandments and statutes I am giving you today,
    all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:


    68 “And Yahweh will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.'
    And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”



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  3. LastSeven

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    That's because you're not thinking like a first century Jew.
     
  4. friend of

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    What about Revelation 13:3 ??

    And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
     
  5. friend of

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    Well, Luke 21:24 can really apply to the Jewish race all throughout history, recent and past. The nations of the world are arrayed against Israel today. The UN passed 21 sanctions against it in 2018 alone. I think no other nation received sanctions except for 1 each.
     
  6. ewq1938

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    The Rev 13:1 beast is not a person but a kingdom/government of ten smaller kingdoms spanning 7 mountains or areas of the world. The wounded head is a mountain not a persons head. A mountain is not a person or a king.
     
  7. LastSeven

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    In order to answer those questions you first need to define what is the mark of the beast, what is the antichrist and what is Babylon?
     
  8. Dr. D Bunker

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    bye
     
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  9. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Oh my. ^_^

    After reading that, my view of 70ad Jerusalem showing in Revelation is looking better and better..........

    Makes me want to watch this old series......



    This just happened to show up after the end of the previous vid.....




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  10. ewq1938

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    I just showed you how it does not fit. 5 months of torment and no killing doesn't match Ad70. It was a 4 year siege not 5 months, and people were killed. That alone proves Rev has nothing to do with AD70 and Rev speaks the most about the GT period and what happens then.
     
  11. LastSeven

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    :clap:

    That show cracks me up.

    "Sacrala… I can see your belly button. You look like a protestant."
    "Don't you mean prostitute?"
    "No, I mean protestant".
     
  12. ewq1938

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    I know. I brought that up to show you a callus on a Muslims forehead is not the mark because the mark doesn't exist yet. Repeating the evidence showing your theory wrong back to me obviously doesn't help your position.
     
  13. friend of

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    @Dr. D Bunker bunker Hello sir. Can you please take a look at my response to you in post #89 ?
     
  14. gideon123

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    this question is tangential. but it is relevant. does anybody know anything about Patmos, the island where John was living at the end of his life?

    he was exiled there.
    it must not have been a very hospitable place. sometimes i imagine Patmos as being like a rocky island with no people (except John) and a few goats. but that might be quite wrong. does anyone know?
     
  15. Douggg

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    The person is not in the role of being the Antichrist when he is killed and brought back to life. He is in the role of being the revealed man of sin, claiming to have achieved God-hood, and then is killed for the claim. And brought back to life as the beast.

    I don't understand how you can miss...

    Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
     
  16. ewq1938

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    There is no such person in Rev 13 that is killed and then resurrects. It is not scriptural.

    This is not found in the bible.


    That isn't a person. Rev 17 explains the heads are mountains which are areas of land.
     
  17. Douggg

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    Show the same mark on the right hand of Muslims.

    Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
     
  18. Douggg

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    I would not call it a resurrection, but a coming back to life. A resurrection to me is someone who's body is in the grave. I think the person's soul will go to hell for a couple of days, while his dead body will be in a open casket as the world views him being dead, but suddenly sits up back to life while the global cameras are on him.

    Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    It is not a mountain that is mortally wounded by a sword, but a person.
     
  19. ewq1938

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    No, scripture says it's a mountain. It's an area of land where there was a very bad war but the people there survive and the kingdom(s) within that area of land recover. This thing about a man dying from a head wound is fiction based on bad exegesis of Rev 13 (and 17).

    Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    ὄρος
    oros
    or'-os
    Probably a from an obsolete word ὄρω orō (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).

    In order to understand what these are we have to know what a mountain in prophecy symbolizes:


    Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

    Barnes:

    And as it were a great mountain - A mountain is a natural symbol of strength, and hence becomes a symbol of a strong and powerful kingdom; for mountains arc not only places of strength in themselves, but they anciently answered the purposes of fortified places, and were the seats of power. Hence, they are properly symbols of strong nations. “The stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth,” Dan_2:35. Compare Zec_4:7; Jer_51:25. We naturally, then, apply this part of the symbol to some strong and mighty nation - not a nation, necessarily, that issued from a mountainous region but a nation that in strength resembled a mountain.


    Clarke:

    Revelation 8:8

    Mountain, in prophetic language, signifies a kingdom; Jer_51:25, Jer_51:27, Jer_51:30, Jer_51:58. Great disorders,


    So a mountain can be a kingdom or a place of strength. This beast is composed of 7 mountains but has ten kings and kingdoms within. This means a mountain is either a single kingdom or is more than one kingdom within a single mountain being that there are ten kingdoms fitting into these 7 mountains so some mountains must have more than one kingdom. Mountains then would be areas of the world where a kingdom or more exist. Everything about this beast suggests a global reign and the world is divided into 7 continents so it makes sense to think of the world divided into ten kingdoms that span the 7 continents or mountains of the Earth.
     
  20. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Where's the woman in Revelation 13 ?
     
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