Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

[Douggg]

So 1,000 years is not 1,000 years?

1,000 years is 1,000 years.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, preterists don't believe that Luke 21:25-27 are future. I have stated that Luke 21:25-28 are end times, the current generation.

To believe that Luke 21:20-22 was fulfilled back in 70AD does not make a person a preterist. It is only if a person thinks that Luke 21:20-27 have been fulfilled that makes a person a preterist.

If you look below my name avatar, by clicking on the down arrow, you will see that I am any-time rapture view, non-dispensationnalist, futurist.

There isn't a 2,000 year gap seen between Jerusalem being surrounded by armies in your claimed 70AD and a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, the reading of Luke 21:20-28 is future, continous, and unfulfilled, read it again, and again, and again, and again, your claim of 70AD fulfillment is "False"!

The events of Luke 21:20-28 below are "Future" and will finish in the second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your "Preterist" claim verses 20-22 were fulfilled in 70AD is "False" there's no 2,000 + year gap seen below, the reading is continous from Jerusalem being surrounded to the second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Diamond72]

1,000 years is 1,000 years.

So you do not like calling an age or era a dispensation. Or you object to John Nelson Darby & Dwight L. Moody teaching on dispensationalism? Because a lot of people use his study Bible.

I read the Ryrie study Bible about three times. He is a well known dispensations also.

 

[Truth7t7]

So you do not like calling an age or era a dispensation. Or you object to John Nelson Darby & Dwight L. Moody teaching on dispensationalism? Because a lot of people use his study Bible.

I read the Ryrie study Bible about three times. He is a well known dispensations also.

John N. Darby's Dispensationalism the big "Lie" promoted by the life long Adulterer C.I. Scofield in the untold story

(Adultery) C.I. Scofield And Dispensationalism's Foundations

C.I. Scofield is the modern father of Dispensationalsim, he was instrumental in the founding of (Dallas Theological Seminary) as (Lewis S. Chafer) was his student and disciple.

Dallas Theological Alumni:
Hal Lindsey, David Jeremiah, J. Vernon McGee, Chuck Swindoll, Tim La Haye, Thomas Ice, Charles Ryrie

The Scofield Reference Bible 1909, maintained (Dispensationalism's) teachings in the margins

The 1909 reference bible was the single greatest source and influence in spreading (Dispensationalism) throughout the world, with millions of copies sold, and on pulpits and under arms from 1909-1970 in the majority

C.I. Scofield was married to Leotine, and had two daughters, he abandoned them in Kansas without support and ended up pastoring a Church in Dallas Texas at 41 years old, there he met the Sunday School college girl (Hettie Van Wart) 24 years old, Scofield divorced his wife Leotine and married Hettie in 1884 (Adultery)

(Adultery) Scofield remained married to Hettie until his death in 1921,while his lawful wife Leotine lived, dying in 1936

Lewis S. Chafer was a member of C.I. Scofields Church in Dallas Texas, he was the founder of Dallas Theological Cemetary being the prodigy of Scofields teachings

C.I. Scofield produced the greatest influence in the world relating to (Dispensationalism) in his 1909 reference bible, while Hettie was the secretary and assistant on this work, that was produced by (Adulterers) C.I. Scofield & Hettie Van Wart (Corrupt Fruit)

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[Diamond72]

Hal Lindsey

When Hal Lindsey published his books it was so obvious he was just teaching what he learned in School. Hal Lindsey, the influential author of "The Late Great Planet Earth" and a prominent figure in Christian eschatology, passed away on November 25, 2024, at the age of 95. His work had a significant impact on modern Christian thought, especially regarding end times prophecy.

The fact that he lived to 95 is a testimony for something. Even Tim LaHaye with his left behind book, passed away at the age of 90

 

[Douggg]

So you do not like calling an age or era a dispensation. Or you object to John Nelson Darby & Dwight L. Moody teaching on dispensationalism? Because a lot of people use his study Bible.

I read the Ryrie study Bible about three times. He is a well known dispensations also.

Dispensationalism is a man-made teaching that God has dealt with humanity in different ways at different times.

I do not subscribe to that teaching of there are seven systematic different ways that God has dealt with humanity, into time periods called dispensations, according to dispensationalists.

Called the dispensations of (1) Innocence, (2) Conscience, (3) Human Government, (4) Promise, (5) Law, (6) Grace, (7) The Kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

There isn't a 2,000 year gap seen between Jerusalem being surrounded by armies in your claimed 70AD and a future second coming of Jesus in the heavens, the reading of Luke 21:20-28 is future, continous, and unfulfilled, read it again, and again, and again, and again, your claim of 70AD fulfillment is "False"!

That Jerusalem was surrounded by Roman armies in 70AD and it fell, resulting in the Jews being taken captive into the nations is a historic fact.

And it is also a fact that..

The Jews did not return to the land of Israel to form a nation in the land again until 1948.

And the Jews did not regain control of Jerusalem until 1967.

We are now living in the end times, the parable of the fig tree generation.

 

[Douggg]

The events of Luke 21:20-28 below are "Future" and will finish in the second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your "Preterist" claim verses 20-22 were fulfilled in 70AD is "False" there's no 2,000 + year gap seen below, the reading is continous from Jerusalem being surrounded to the second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Read Luke 21:5-7 to undersand that Luke 21:20-24, Jesus was speaking about the 70 AD event.

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?


In verse 20, Jesus answered..... 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

It happened in 70 AD.

 

[Truth7t7]

When Hal Lindsey published his books it was so obvious he was just teaching what he learned in School. Hal Lindsey, the influential author of "The Late Great Planet Earth" and a prominent figure in Christian eschatology, passed away on November 25, 2024, at the age of 95. His work had a significant impact on modern Christian thought, especially regarding end times prophecy.

The fact that he lived to 95 is a testimony for something. Even Tim LaHaye with his left behind book, passed away at the age of 90

Hal Lindsey Married 4 times while his 1st wife lived "Adultery"!

Just as the father of modern dispensationalism, C.I. Scofield, died while his wife Leotine lived, being married to another woman Hettie Van Wart "Adultery"!

 

[Truth7t7]

That Jerusalem was surrounded by Roman armies in 70AD and it fell, resulting in the Jews being taken captive into the nations is a historic fact.

And it is also a fact that..

The Jews did not return to the land of Israel to form a nation in the land again until 1948.

And the Jews did not regain control of Jerusalem until 1967.

We are now living in the end times, the parable of the fig tree generation.

It's a fact that Luke 21:20-28 is a continuous reading with no gap of 2,000 yrs going from 70AD to the present or future day, your preterist claim in 70AD fulfillment is "False"!

 

[Truth7t7]

Read Luke 21:5-7 to undersand that Luke 21:20-24, Jesus was speaking about the 70 AD event.

False!

Luke 21:20-28 is a continous reading without a "Preterist" 2,000 year gap in 70AD fulfillment as you falsely claim

 

[Douggg]

It's a fact that Luke 21:20-28 is a continuous reading with no gap of 2,000 yrs going from 70AD to the present or future day, your preterist claim in 70AD fulfillment is "False"!

So you claim that Jesus never prophesied the destruction of the temple in 70 AD ?

 

[Diamond72]

Hal Lindsey Married 4 times

There was another author at the time, doing the same sort of stuff as Lindsay. But he died and now I cannot remember what his name was or what the name of his books were.

 

[Douggg]

There was another author at the time, doing the same sort of stuff as Lindsay. But he died and now I cannot remember what his name was or what the name of his books were.

You may be thinking about Tim Lahaye (passed away in 2016).

Or maybe Jerry B Jenkins (co-authored with Tim Lahaye the Left Behind series). Jerry B Jenkins is still living.

 

[Diamond72]

You may be thinking about Tim Lahaye (passed away in 2016).

Grant Jeffreys last book was filled with talk about government. He died very soon after his book was published and I wonder if they did not bump him off. Just like Anthony Bourdain. His last program was about the peace-loving people in Iran and how the government does not represent them. Next thing you know he is dead. It's obvious the Supreme Court justice was killed. But he was almost 80 so no one paid any attention. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, passed away on February 13, 2016, while on a trip to the Cibolo Creek Ranch in Texas. He was found dead of apparent natural causes in his room at the ranch. Scalia was cremated the following day.

"The New Temple and the Second Coming" by Grant R. Jeffrey discusses the role of government in the context of biblical prophecy and end-time events. Jeffrey explores how Jewish authorities are preparing to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, which involves recovering lost artifacts and recreating sacred worship vessels. He also mentions the reconvening of the Sanhedrin in Israel and the training of Levite priests to reinstitute animal sacrifices. These developments are seen as having significant prophetic implications and are tied to the broader narrative of end-time events.

 

[Douggg]

Grant Jeffreys last book was filled with talk about government. He died very soon after his book was published and I wonder if they did not bump him off. Just like Anthony Bourdain. His last program was about the peace-loving people in Iran and how the government does not represent them. Next thing you know he is dead. It's obvious the Supreme Court justice was killed. But he was almost 80 so no one paid any attention. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, passed away on February 13, 2016, while on a trip to the Cibolo Creek Ranch in Texas. He was found dead of apparent natural causes in his room at the ranch. Scalia was cremated the following day.

"The New Temple and the Second Coming" by Grant R. Jeffrey discusses the role of government in the context of biblical prophecy and end-time events. Jeffrey explores how Jewish authorities are preparing to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, which involves recovering lost artifacts and recreating sacred worship vessels. He also mentions the reconvening of the Sanhedrin in Israel and the training of Levite priests to reinstitute animal sacrifices. These developments are seen as having significant prophetic implications and are tied to the broader narrative of end-time events.

Grant Jeffreys taught the Antichrist will be a Jew. I agree with him on that point.

Arthur W. Pink taught the same thing.

 

[Truth7t7]

Grant Jeffreys last book was filled with talk about government. He died very soon after his book was published and I wonder if they did not bump him off. Just like Anthony Bourdain. His last program was about the peace-loving people in Iran and how the government does not represent them. Next thing you know he is dead. It's obvious the Supreme Court justice was killed. But he was almost 80 so no one paid any attention. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, passed away on February 13, 2016, while on a trip to the Cibolo Creek Ranch in Texas. He was found dead of apparent natural causes in his room at the ranch. Scalia was cremated the following day.

"The New Temple and the Second Coming" by Grant R. Jeffrey discusses the role of government in the context of biblical prophecy and end-time events. Jeffrey explores how Jewish authorities are preparing to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, which involves recovering lost artifacts and recreating sacred worship vessels. He also mentions the reconvening of the Sanhedrin in Israel and the training of Levite priests to reinstitute animal sacrifices. These developments are seen as having significant prophetic implications and are tied to the broader narrative of end-time events.

I don't know about Jeffries

Anthony Bourdain was a Heroin addict, going through rehabs every year and word was he called it quits?

Antonin Scalia's death was a cold blooded murder in my opinion, no corner to call, cremated immediately, on and on "Dirty Laundry" and nobody raised an eyevrow in "Silence"?

 

[Truth7t7]

Grant Jeffreys taught the Antichrist will be a Jew. I agree with him on that point.

Arthur W. Pink taught the same thing.

I teach and believe the same also

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[Diamond72]

Antonin Scalia's death was a cold blooded murder in my opinion, no corner to call, cremated immediately, on and on "Dirty Laundry" and nobody raised an eyevrow in "Silence"?

There is a follow up on that.

Justice Antonin Scalia passed away in February 2016, and his death had a significant impact on a Supreme Court case regarding federal union dues for non-union members. The case, Janus v. AFSCME, challenged whether non-union members could be required to pay fees to unions for collective bargaining.

In a landmark ruling in 2018, the Supreme Court decided that these fees were unconstitutional, reversing a decades-old precedent. The decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito, stated that forcing non-union members to pay these fees violated their First Amendment rights by compelling them to subsidize speech they might not agree with.

Scalia's death resulted in a 4-4 deadlock in the initial hearing of the case, which left the previous ruling intact. However, when the case was reheard after Justice Neil Gorsuch filled Scalia's seat, the court ruled against the union fees. So it was pretty much all for nothing. The Supreme Court decision in Janus v. AFSCME was settled on June 27, 2018.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is a follow up on that.

Justice Antonin Scalia passed away in February 2016, and his death had a significant impact on a Supreme Court case regarding federal union dues for non-union members. The case, Janus v. AFSCME, challenged whether non-union members could be required to pay fees to unions for collective bargaining.

In a landmark ruling in 2018, the Supreme Court decided that these fees were unconstitutional, reversing a decades-old precedent. The decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito, stated that forcing non-union members to pay these fees violated their First Amendment rights by compelling them to subsidize speech they might not agree with.

Scalia's death resulted in a 4-4 deadlock in the initial hearing of the case, which left the previous ruling intact. However, when the case was reheard after Justice Neil Gorsuch filled Scalia's seat, the court ruled against the union fees. So it was pretty much all for nothing. The Supreme Court decision in Janus v. AFSCME was settled on June 27, 2018.

I know there's a big untold story, your explanation is just a part of the big picture