Revelation 12 walk through

[keras]

Re-unification fulfilled in 1948, one nation again.

How can your theorized Christian nation replacement, which you are calling Beulah, be the re-unification of the 10 northern tribes and the 2 southern tribes ? Since your theorized nation will be made up of Christians from around the world of gentile background.

Was there ever a statement from Jewish Israel, that they were unified with the lost tribes, in 1948?
Have you asked your Jewish friends whether they think that? My Jewish/Russian friend certainly does not.

Beulah theorized? What is clearly Prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5, is not theory.
The Bible Prophets tell us that Gods peoples are from every tribe, race, nation and language, But from many Prophesies, we can see that they will mainly; be descendants of Jacob.

I have bumped heads with you many times over this and your charts, as above. I have refuted and proved you to be wrong, and you have no rebuttal, but you just continue to post the same old false beliefs. This is really an untenable situation; an indisputable correction should result in a change of belief.
Paul has this to say about those who build their house/ beliefs on shaky foundations; they will enter the Kingdom, but only by passing thru fire. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

 

[Douggg]

Beulah theorized?

Yes, you have a theorized nation made up of Christians from around the world, which you call Beulah, replace the current nation of Israel.

But you did not answer my question....

How can Beulah be the re-unification of the 10 northern tribes and the 2 southern tribes ?

 

[RandyPNW]

Was there ever a statement from Jewish Israel, that they were unified with the lost tribes, in 1948?
Have you asked your Jewish friends whether they think that? My Jewish/Russian friend certainly does not.

Beulah theorized? What is clearly Prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5, is not theory.
The Bible Prophets tell us that Gods peoples are from every tribe, race, nation and language, But from many Prophesies, we can see that they will mainly; be descendants of Jacob.

I have bumped heads with you many times over this and your charts, as above. I have refuted and proved you to be wrong, and you have no rebuttal, but you just continue to post the same old false beliefs. This is really an untenable situation; an indisputable correction should result in a change of belief.
Paul has this to say about those who build their house/ beliefs on shaky foundations; they will enter the Kingdom, but only by passing thru fire. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Wow! Your dogmatism has taken a nasty turn! Since when does a disagreement over a peripheral belief mean that someone can only enter Heaven through fire?

 

[Douggg]

Was there ever a statement from Jewish Israel, that they were unified with the lost tribes, in 1948?

Not that I know of. The Jews themselves don't recognized what happened. They consider the state of Israel as not being the kingdom of Israel (i.e. not being ruled by a king). Which, true, it is not currently a "kingdom" - it is one nation, not two nations of north and south any longer.

Who in your Beulah scenario is going to be the king of Beulah ?

 

[keras]

Who in your Beulah scenario is going to be the king of Beulah ?

Both Hosea 1:11 and Jeremiah 30:21, say the Lords people will elect a leader for themselves.
He/she, is mentioned in Daniel 11:35

it is one nation, not two nations of north and south any longer.

It is glaringly obvious that the current State of Israel, in a small part of the Holy Land, represents Judah only; NOT the other 10 tribes.
It is a serious misunderstanding of scripture, to place their rejoining in the past. Jeremiah 50:4-5 Note how Jeremiah 50:6-7 says the Lords 'sheep' have forgotten their place of origin and they have been 'devoured' - assimilated by their enemies. NOT annihilated!

 

[keras]

Wow! Your dogmatism has taken a nasty turn! Since when does a disagreement over a peripheral belief mean that someone can only enter Heaven through fire?

This reply in itself; is a nasty accusation.
The 'rapture' and the future of the Christian peoples, is not peripheral.

I quoted Paul, who said that people who build their doctrines on foundations other than Biblical truths, will not lose their Salvation, but will only be redeemed 'by passing through fire'.
Which I see as the 'fire' of testing and tribulations. Something for whoever is wrong and who teaches that error, needs to carefully consider. James 3:1

Another issue, which shows your confusion and bias, is; 'people entering heaven'. No one goes to heaven; - the Kingdom will be on earth and after the thousand year reign of King Jesus, God will be with His people in the new Jerusalem.

 

[Douggg]

It is glaringly obvious that the current State of Israel, in a small part of the Holy Land, represents Judah only; NOT the

keras. here is a map of the two kingdoms...and below it, modern day Israel. As you can see they cover the same area of land.

 

[Douggg]

Both Hosea 1:11 and Jeremiah 30:21, say the Lords people will elect a leader for themselves.
He/she, is mentioned in Daniel 11:35

An elected leader is not a king. To be the kingdom of Beulah, the leader has to be a king.

 

[Fisherking]

Not that I know of. The Jews themselves don't recognized what happened. They consider the state of Israel as not being the kingdom of Israel (i.e. not being ruled by a king). Which, true, it is not currently a "kingdom" - it is one nation, not two nations of north and south any longer.

Who in your Beulah scenario is going to be the king of Beulah ?

Israel was reunified as ONE NATION (Two sticks prophesy of Ez. 37) after the Assyrian war because many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah/Jerusalem. Thus they were toted off to Babylon as the whole house of Israel, but of course the two southern tribes had more peoples in Judah/Jerusalem, but the tribe lives with just one man, even if the other two had a half million. Hs mistake is he demands those other people God says he FORSOOK FOREVER has to be added back in, no they don't, if one tribe got down to 1 man, and he had 10 baby boys, they each had 10, then that Tribe would have consisted of 100 men.

 

[Douggg]

Israel was reunified as ONE NATION (Two sticks prophesy of Ez. 37) after the Assyrian war because many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah/Jerusalem. Thus they were toted off to Babylon as the whole house of Israel, but of course the two southern tribes had more peoples in Judah/Jerusalem, but the tribe lives with just one man, even if the other two had a half million. Hs mistake is he demands those other people God says he FORSOOK FOREVER has to be added back in, no they don't, if one tribe got down to 1 man, and he had 10 baby boys, they each had 10, then that Tribe would have consisted of 100 men.

While I do agree that many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah/Jerusalem at the time of Assyrian war, I don't think that was the reunification of the northern and southern kingdoms spoken of in Ezekiel 37 - because the northern kingdom was under Assyrian control.

1948 it seems to me to be the fulfillment of the reunification. David Ben-Gurion, the leader in the 1948 rebirth of the nation chose to call the nation "Israel".

 

[RandyPNW]

While I do agree that many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah/Jerusalem at the time of Assyrian war, I don't think that was the reunification of the northern and southern kingdoms spoken of in Ezekiel 37 - because the northern kingdom was under Assyrian control.

1948 it seems to me to be the fulfillment of the reunification. David Ben-Gurion, the leader in the 1948 rebirth of the nation chose to call the nation "Israel".

Or, the divided kingdom ended with the Assyrian captivity, and the prophecy in Eze 37 is speaking of when Israel becomes not just a single kingdom, but more, a single kingdom under Messiah? What it tells me is that even though Israel was a single kingdom under Herod, the prophecy called for a kingdom not under Herod but rather, under Messiah. That is when the nation would be truly cleansed.

 

[Fisherking]

While I do agree that many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah/Jerusalem at the time of Assyrian war, I don't think that was the reunification of the northern and southern kingdoms spoken of in Ezekiel 37 - because the northern kingdom was under Assyrian control.

God made TWO KINGDOMS ONE.........how do is that done Doug my friend? By taking the remnant of the 10 Tribes that fled, and adding them to the Judah Kingdom, now all 12 tribes make up Israel and all live in Judea thus they were indeed one kingdom when Babylon toted them off, they were all 12 tribes living under ONE KING, in Judea.

1948 it seems to me to be the fulfillment of the reunification. David Ben-Gurion, the leader in the 1948 rebirth of the nation chose to call the nation "Israel".

WHY? When Israel were toted off by Rome they were ALL 12 Tribes right? We can call it Concrete, God cares not, when Israel were living in Judea when Jesus came he stated he came for Israel only, not half of Israel, but the whole nation he likened unto lost sheep. We know when they were regathered they were regathered as the Whole House of Israel, but they were also toted off as all 12 tribes.

 

[RandyPNW]

God made TWO KINGDOMS ONE.........how do is that done Doug my friend? By taking the remnant of the 10 Tribes that fled, and adding them to the Judah Kingdom, now all 12 tribes make up Israel and all live in Judea thus they were indeed one kingdom when Babylon toted them off, they were all 12 tribes living under ONE KING, in Judea.


WHY? When Israel were toted off by Rome they were ALL 12 Tribes right? We can call it Concrete, God cares not, when Israel were living in Judea when Jesus came he stated he came for Israel only, not half of Israel, but the whole nation he likened unto lost sheep. We know when they were regathered they were regathered as the Whole House of Israel, but they were also toted off as all 12 tribes.

With the Babylonian Captivity yes, Judah came to represent all 12 tribes, and ultimately under a single king. However, the prophecy in Eze 37 is talking about when the single Kingdom of Israel comes under the reign of Messiah. That has not yet been fulfilled.

Ezra 6.17 For the dedication of this house of God they offered a hundred bulls, two hundred rams, four hundred male lambs and, as a sin offering for all Israel, twelve male goats, one for each of the tribes of Israel.

2 Chron 11.5 Rehoboam lived in Jerusalem and built up towns for defense in Judah... So Judah and Benjamin were his.
13 The priests and Levites from all their districts throughout Israel sided with him. 14 The Levites even abandoned their pasturelands and property and came to Judah and Jerusalem, because Jeroboam and his sons had rejected them as priests of the Lord 15 when he appointed his own priests for the high places and for the goat and calf idols he had made. 16 Those from every tribe of Israel who set their hearts on seeking the Lord, the God of Israel, followed the Levites to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices to the Lord, the God of their ancestors. 17 They strengthened the kingdom of Judah and supported Rehoboam son of Solomon three years, following the ways of David and Solomon during this time.

 

[Fisherking]

With the Babylonian Captivity yes, Judah came to represent all 12 tribes, and ultimately under a single king. However, the prophecy in Eze 37 is talking about when the single Kingdom of Israel comes under the reign of Messiah. That has not yet been fulfilled.

Yes, it is about the end time also, but its a double entendre and has to be. If God gives a prophesy and it happened via the Assyrian's and it changed two kingdoms unto one, that is when God's prophesy came true, earlier in Ezekiel 37 we saw that one day Israel (Dry Bones) will will see their state of being changed, from Dead Dry Bones into sinew, but with no breath (holy spirit) in them, so yes, God brings Israel back into he land but God also led the into captivity, and called them dry bones, and a forsaken people, Paul says in Romans 11 that All Israel will be saved. And in Deuteronomy 30 God prophesied Israel would be led into captivity, then brought back into the land.

Deuteronomy 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee, (Israel's Diaspora)

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

We know the Diaspora was Israel, not just Jews, Jesus even stated he came for the Lost Sheep of Israel, which meat Israel were in the land up unto 70 AD. So, the prophesy of turning the land into One Nation again happened after/during the Assyrian siege, and has never changed right? Even though Jesus the son of David as per his lineage, will rule over Israel for the 1000 year Kingdom Age, the one nation switch only happens over 2500 years ago, if there has never been two nations since, it had to happen over 2500 years ago. Yes, Jesus is a part of the prophetic end, but that more or less means Jesus, the Son of David, will rule over that ONE NATION at the very end.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, it is about the end time also, but its a double entendre and has to be. If God gives a prophesy and it happened via the Assyrian's and it changed two kingdoms unto one, that is when God's prophesy came true, earlier in Ezekiel 37 we saw that one day Israel (Dry Bones) will will see their state of being changed, from Dead Dry Bones into sinew, but with no breath (holy spirit) in them, so yes, God brings Israel back into he land but God also led the into captivity, and called them dry bones, and a forsaken people, Paul says in Romans 11 that All Israel will be saved. And in Deuteronomy 30 God prophesied Israel would be led into captivity, then brought back into the land.

Deuteronomy 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee, (Israel's Diaspora)

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

We know the Diaspora was Israel, not just Jews, Jesus even stated he came for the Lost Sheep of Israel, which meat Israel were in the land up unto 70 AD. So, the prophesy of turning the land into One Nation again happened after/during the Assyrian siege, and has never changed right? Even though Jesus the son of David as per his lineage, will rule over Israel for the 1000 year Kingdom Age, the one nation switch only happens over 2500 years ago, if there has never been two nations since, it had to happen over 2500 years ago. Yes, Jesus is a part of the prophetic end, but that more or less means Jesus, the Son of David, will rule over that ONE NATION at the very end.

On May 14, 1948 Israel became an independent nation again, covering the areas of the northern and southern kingdoms.

But that was not so back at Jesus's first coming. The lost sheep of Israel does indicate that there were descendants of all twelve tribes living in land at the time, agreed; but was under Roman occupation at that time, not an independent nation.

The reunification took place on May 14, 1948. Fulfilling Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.