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rev 13 the two beast...

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13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In the last days the world will be under a false messianic age....notice how John is standing on the sands of the sea....an idiom of Israel ...as the sands of the sea so shall your descendance be ..

During this time a beast will come out of this false messianic age . a man who will be worship as God..



11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This man will unite Israel north kingdom and Judah Southern kingdom during the false messianic age as a lamb referring to someone like Jesus or a messiah ...but is a false prophet
 

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Satan's beast is not of Israel

Here is the first beast [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-19] .... this one will seek to destroy Israel outright .... from the get go [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39]

It is this beast who will control the human little horn, a king of the northern Middle East [Daniel 7;7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince]; 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6]

The other beast [false prophet] will control two Islamic clerics who will lead the religious cult of the first beast [Revelation 13:11-18]
 
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Satan's beast is not of Israel

Here is the first beast [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-19] .... this one will seek to destroy Israel outright .... from the get go [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39]

It is this beast who will control the human little horn, a king of the northern Middle East [Daniel 7;7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince]; 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6]

The other beast [false prophet] will control two Islamic clerics who will lead the religious cult of the first beast [Revelation 13:11-18]


When the false messianic age comes straightshot the lands will be people who are under the old covenant....all the land is put down. There is only one religion and that's Judaism...it is during those days that 10 Jewish kingdom form....and out of the sands of the sea a man will rise up against the people of the Jewish messianic world...he will seek to be worshipped as God. ..many of the Jewish people will not follow him. Thus the beginning of the great tribulation...
 
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13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In the last days the world will be under a false messianic age....notice how John is standing on the sands of the sea....an idiom of Israel ...as the sands of the sea so shall your descendance be ..

During this time a beast will come out of this false messianic age . a man who will be worship as God..

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This man will unite Israel north kingdom and Judah Southern kingdom during the false messianic age as a lamb referring to someone like Jesus or a messiah ...but is a false prophet

Israel is already reunited back as one country. Israel today occupies the same territory once held separately by the two kingdoms.

The false perceived messianic age is nominally the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years. The person perceived to be the messiah will be the little horn coming out of Europe.

The contents of Revelation 13 are nominally for the second 3 1/2 years, i.e. 42 months. The contents of Revelation 13 are after the false messianic age. The person is no longer the Antichrist (anti-messiah) in Revelation 13.
 
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Israel is already reunited back as one country. Israel today occupies the same territory once held separately by the two kingdoms.

The false perceived messianic age is nominally the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years. The person perceived to be the messiah will be the little horn coming out of Europe.

The contents of Revelation 13 are nominally for the second 3 1/2 years, i.e. 42 months. The contents of Revelation 13 are after the false messianic age. The person is no longer the Antichrist (anti-messiah) in Revelation 13.

During the false messianic age Doug everything is put down...the entire lands of the middle east Europe and north Africa is revised...all under the false messianic age.....the entire world will be under the old covenant....and a false messiah rules from Jerusalem....10 kingdoms will form ...Babylon the city will be rebuilt.....Jews from around the world will migrate towards the land of Jerusalem and surrounding areas because all rebellion against the law has been put down...

It is during this time the final antichrist is born....the final antichrist will not be born until the false messianic age has ruled for at least a generation....this is the 7th kingdom

The final antichrist is the 8th kingdom and final human government....
 
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During the false messianic age Doug everything is put down...the entire lands of the middle east Europe and north Africa is revised...all under the false messianic age.....the entire world will be under the old covenant....and a false messiah rules from Jerusalem....10 kingdoms will form ...Babylon the city will be rebuilt.....Jews from around the world will migrate towards the land of Jerusalem and surrounding areas because all rebellion against the law has been put down...

It is during this time the final antichrist is born....the final antichrist will not be born until the false messianic age has ruled for at least a generation....this is the 7th kingdom

The final antichrist is the 8th kingdom and final human government....
dfw, what is your bible basis that the false messianic age will last a generation?
 
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dfw, what is your bible basis that the false messianic age will last a generation?

Jesus said this generation will not pass till all be fulfilled..

.From the moment he is hailed as the promise messiah to the time of the final antichrist and golem in the temple will take place before this generation passes away ...

The 7th and 8th kingdoms take place within a generation

Jesus said do not go after the false messiah when they say "behold here he is"

The false messianic age is the 7th kingdom that will last a short space...all the world will be forced to accept the false messianic age

But there are iron and clay toes ...the 10 kingdoms are under the iron rule of the law...this iron rule will not sit well with people...the iron is the rule or law imposed on the 10 kingdoms...the clay are the subjects of that kingdom ....not everyone will be fooled by the false messianic age....

The rule of the law will come out of Jerusalem....the 10 kingdoms have issues with the law....
 
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The nation's not fooled by the false messianic age will fall victim to the final antichrist....its a civil war of some sort....perhaps the 10 northern kingdoms will war with the judean kingdom of the south....why ?....perhaps issues with the law....
 
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The dragon, identified at Revelation 12:9 as Satan the Devil, gives the beast its authority and power. (Revelation 13:1, 2) This beast’s seven heads (bearing ten horns) distinguish it from the one-headed beasts of Daniel’s vision. Seven (and ten) are commonly acknowledged as Biblical symbols of completeness. This is corroborated by the extent of this beast’s domain, for it exercises authority, not over one nation or a group of nations, but “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7, 8; compare 16:13, 14.) Noting these factors, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible comments: “The first of these beasts [of Revelation 13] combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.”-Edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 369.

The second beast came out of Satan’s already established earthly system of thing-not like the first beast that came out of “the sea,” which is fitting symbol from which human governments arise.-Isaiah 17:12, 13.

The second beast is also political, came out of the “seventh head” of the first beast and is also given power by Satan. This second east was original the League of Nation and then the United Nations.
 
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The dragon, identified at Revelation 12:9 as Satan the Devil, gives the beast its authority and power. (Revelation 13:1, 2) This beast’s seven heads (bearing ten horns) distinguish it from the one-headed beasts of Daniel’s vision. Seven (and ten) are commonly acknowledged as Biblical symbols of completeness. This is corroborated by the extent of this beast’s domain, for it exercises authority, not over one nation or a group of nations, but “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7, 8; compare 16:13, 14.) Noting these factors, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible comments: “The first of these beasts [of Revelation 13] combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.”-Edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 369.

The second beast came out of Satan’s already established earthly system of thing-not like the first beast that came out of “the sea,” which is fitting symbol from which human governments arise.-Isaiah 17:12, 13.

The second beast is also political, came out of the “seventh head” of the first beast and is also given power by Satan. This second east was original the League of Nation and then the United Nations.


How will the United nations become beast like?
 
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The dragon, identified at Revelation 12:9 as Satan the Devil, gives the beast its authority and power. (Revelation 13:1, 2) This beast’s seven heads (bearing ten horns) distinguish it from the one-headed beasts of Daniel’s vision. Seven (and ten) are commonly acknowledged as Biblical symbols of completeness. This is corroborated by the extent of this beast’s domain, for it exercises authority, not over one nation or a group of nations, but “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7, 8; compare 16:13, 14.) Noting these factors, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible comments: “The first of these beasts [of Revelation 13] combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.”-Edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 369.

The second beast came out of Satan’s already established earthly system of thing-not like the first beast that came out of “the sea,” which is fitting symbol from which human governments arise.-Isaiah 17:12, 13.

The second beast is also political, came out of the “seventh head” of the first beast and is also given power by Satan. This second east was original the League of Nation and then the United Nations.

Daniel 7's 4 beasts total to 7 heads, 10 horns (with the 4th being the country with 10 horns). The 7 headed dragon with 10 horns is the historical form of 7 beast kingdoms through time, with the beast from the sea 7 heads, 10 horns, 10 crowns (of Rev 13) being the last "incarnation" of this Satan. These 7 headed, 10 horned dragons are only comprised of nation state enemies of "Israel".

The beast from the earth is ONLY apostate "Israel".

There are 7 kings and then an 8th king. And each has a false prophet, an apostate leading a rebellion to worship the dragon, the 7 headed 10 horned entity. The prostitute of Rev 17 is the false prophet of the 8th king of the 7 headed 10 horned Satan.

5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.[a]

When I saw her, I marveled greatly. 7 But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction.


And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. 11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. 12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.
13 These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”

15 And the angel[c] said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”


The woman sits on 7 heads that are existing at the same time. Plus, there is 7 heads through the passage of time: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Then the 7th and 8th. These are nation state enemies of "Israel". This is the "sea".

False prophets are only apostates and are symbolized by a woman/ church. This is the "earth."
 
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You guys are really making this way more complicated than it needs to be. I can't hardly understand what you're talking about. Albert Einstein said, "If you can't explain it simply, you just don't understand it well enough". What's the Reader's Digest version sound like ?! Help me out.
 
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13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In the last days the world will be under a false messianic age....notice how John is standing on the sands of the sea....an idiom of Israel ...as the sands of the sea so shall your descendance be ..

During this time a beast will come out of this false messianic age . a man who will be worship as God..



11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This man will unite Israel north kingdom and Judah Southern kingdom during the false messianic age as a lamb referring to someone like Jesus or a messiah ...but is a false prophet

Hello, dfw69,

In Rev. ch. 13 - The Beast from the Sea was Rome (sixth head of pagan monster - "Babylon"), and the Beast of the Holy Land itself was Judah with two horns like a Lamb - the Jewish priests and prophets. Covenant m / t = them their marriage, harlot Judah marries with Rome. Image of the Beast (= their son) was the Antichrist - Persecutor of the other childrens of the Church (the Bride of Christ).

Best Regards!
 
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Hello, dfw69,

In Rev. ch. 13 - The Beast from the Sea was Rome (sixth head of pagan monster - "Babylon"), and the Beast of the Holy Land itself was Judah with two horns like a Lamb - the Jewish priests and prophets. Covenant m / t = them their marriage, harlot Judah marries with Rome. Image of the Beast (= their son) was the Antichrist - Persecutor of the other childrens of the Church (the Bride of Christ).

Best Regards!
Hi pc..I believe in a future fulfillment...
 
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