Rev 13 and Rev 14 "mark of the beast" details everyone can see

[LoveGodsWord]

He said: God does not consider the Sabbath "dedicated to God" _ quoting my words dedicated to God. What did he mean?

I have a few other comments from him which I perceived as being a bit sarcastic. So maybe when I see his name - my perception is negative.

To me the Sabbath was created for man as scripture says and man should dedicate the Sabbath to God - as best as they possibly can.

I think it was a misunderstanding. I have known @BobRyan over a number or years and know Bob also believes that "the Sabbath was created for man as scripture says and man should dedicate the Sabbath to God - as best as they possibly can."

Take Care.

 

[Sheila Davis]

I think it was a misunderstanding. I have known @BobRyan over a number or years and know Bob also believes that "the Sabbath was created for man as scripture says and man should dedicate the Sabbath to God - as best as they possibly can."

Take Care.

Unlike what you think - I am always open to listen. I've already spoken to someone concerning mr. Ryan. And as I said to them I felt he was being sarcastic and other replies he made and because of that I am probably negative towards him when I see his name. I am also honest.

 

[Sheila Davis]

To let you know I did not get my own personal study of the scriptures from anyone. I did not read of it in any book. I did not find it anywhere except from a prayerful detailed study of God's Word asking Jesus to be my guide and teacher. You should also perhaps consider that the Hebrew and Greek language is not the same as the English and has different word meanings applied to it. Anyhow if you are not interested. I will not share it with you. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That was never in question and is between you and God.

Take Care.

I've been looking for what I got in the email where you said it's a shame I wasn't open to hearing what other people have to say - that is your interpretation. I am open do anything new - I've already heard and studied what has been said on this entire thread.
Unlike you not only do I pray and ask God for guidance, ask God for teaching, and that I do not lean to my own understanding - I also study _ I also read _ I also listen to what other ministers and theologians have to say and have said throughout the years. And I have l chatted with both atheist & Christians. Atheist to understand why they disbelieve - and to clarify my words I did not say agree with them. And I need to add I have had many conversations throughout the past 10 to 15 years with people concerning Greek, Latin, Hebrew, and Arabic and the meanings of words today and in the ancient days. So that's not anything new either.
You take care
Why do some people tell other people they should consider this that or the other not knowing whether they are have or not.
One should ask have you considered - have you ever.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Sheila,

I do not think there is any need to be unkind with your responses. If you believe you know everything and there is nothing anyone can share with you then there is nothing to talk about. Your post below seems a little judgemental in my view. You may want to consider that we are all friends and Christians here.

Unlike you not only do I pray and ask God for guidance, ask God for teaching, and that I do not lean to my own understanding - I also study _ I also read _ I also listen to what other ministers and theologians have to say and have said throughout the years

Next section of your post here...

Why do some people tell other people they should consider this that or the other not knowing whether they are have or not. One should ask have you considered - have you ever.

I asked the question because you gave an English definition to "Mark" which has a different more expounded meaning and application in both Hebrew and Greek. Don't worry about it though as you seem to think you have it all figured out and there is nothing anyone else can share with you.

Take Care.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Hello Sheila,

I do not think there is any need to be unkind with your responses. If you believe you know everything and there is nothing anyone can share with you then there is nothing to talk about. Your post below seems a little judgemental in my view. You may want to consider that we are all friends and Christians here.

Next section of your post here...

I asked the question because you gave an English definition to "Mark" which has a different more expounded meaning and application in both Hebrew and Greek. Don't worry about it though as you seem to think you have it all figured out and there is nothing anyone else can share with you.

Take Care.

I say the same about you. And now you say think I know it all - when I have said several times in my conversations with other people none of us know as an absolute what the mark of the beast is. List other beliefs such as tattooing which in the seventies Christians thought the barcode was the mark of the beast which is a form of tattooing and some still do. No I don't think I know it all ma'am I just state what I believe and I believe what I state _ and unlike some I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right and they're wrong. And it would have been simpler just to say well this is the meaning of the word mark mean in Greek. And from my understanding it still means basically the same thing.
Strong's Greek: 5480. χάραγμα (charagma) -- a stamp, impress
Mark of the Beast - Meaning & Definition - Baker's Bible Dictionary.
I definitely trust Strong's and trust definitions given by those who make it a point to learn such things of ancient Greek the languages.
Thank you, I will not respond to you again on this subject matter.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I say the same about you. And now you say think I know it all - when I have said several times in my conversations with other people none of us know as an absolute what the mark of the beast is. List other beliefs such as tattooing which in the seventies Christians thought the barcode was the mark of the beast which is a form of tattooing and some still do. No I don't think I know it all ma'am I just state what I believe and I believe what I state _ and unlike some I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right and they're wrong. And it would have been simpler just to say well this is the meaning of the word mark mean in Greek. And from my understanding it still means basically the same thing.
Strong's Greek: 5480. χάραγμα (charagma) -- a stamp, impress
Mark of the Beast - Meaning & Definition - Baker's Bible Dictionary.
I definitely trust Strong's and trust definitions given by those who make it a point to learn such things of ancient Greek the languages.
Thank you, I will not respond to you again on this subject matter.

Well good for you I am glad you have it all figured out. I hope your day gets better.

 

[BobRyan]

Unlike you not only do I pray and ask God for guidance, ask God for teaching, and that I do not lean to my own understanding - I also study _ I also read _ I also listen to what other ministers and theologians have to say

Consider the "details" in the OP

 

[BobRyan]

Thank you. What does dedication mean! ?

It means what Lev 23:3 and Is 58:13 state about a day devoted to "holy convocation" where no seclare activity gets in it.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Consider the "details" in the OP

Hummm - "consider" the details in the original post. Is that a statement or a question or telling me what I should do? What details are you referring to? Your last few lines?

Are you referring to the Catholic Church _ OP?

 

[Gary O']

Well now.....

After all this uplifting dialogue,

Anybody up for pizza?

 

[BobRyan]

Sheila Davis said: ↑
Unlike you not only do I pray and ask God for guidance, ask God for teaching, and that I do not lean to my own understanding - I also study _ I also read _ I also listen to what other ministers and theologians have to say

""consider the details in the original"

Hummm - "consider" the details in the original post. Is that a statement or a question or telling me what I should do?

Well in your post seems to have left the topic somewhat - in the "unlike you" section.

Sheila Davis said: ↑
What details are you referring to? Your last few lines?

Are you referring to the Catholic Church _ OP?

I assume you are referencing the last few lines in the OP...

This is the OP

Rev 13 is the first chapter in the Bible to introduce "the mark of the beast" and "worshipping the beast and his image".

Summary:

When we look at Rev 13 and Rev 14 we see is that in the future we have this --

1. the 1260 years dark ages of Rev 12 (also mentioned in chapter 13)
2. The two beasts of Rev 13
3. A point where signs and wonders are being done and all the world is "bought in"
4. A law regarding worship - where violation of it means the total loss of ability to buy or sell - not merely "on Sunday".
5. The law strengthened to the point of death penalty for violation of it.

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Rev 13

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.​

And the 3 angels of Rev 14 also tell us more about it.

Rev 14:

6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

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Obviously in terms of "worship" to the beast "and his image" - we see the issue of sin - condemned in the Ten Commandments - worship of someone who is not God Himself, a form of false worship no doubt.

Making an image to the beast in some way - and then worshipping it.

Another obvious detail is that something tangible is made/available so that without it - you cannot buy or sell.

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I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen no matter what one's background is - at least as much as possible. No complex logic paths for this entry level 101 look at the subject please.​

Last lines are these:

I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen no matter what one's background is - at least as much as possible. No complex logic paths for this entry level 101 look at the subject please.​

I am saying whatever one sees stated - actually in Rev 13 and 14 (or related chapter 12 etc) is fine. But I want to stick as close as possible to the level of "the obvious" details in these chapters that inform the reader.

 

[Sheila Davis]

""consider the details in the original"



Well in your post seems to have left the topic somewhat - in the "unlike you" section.



I assume you are referencing the last few lines in the OP...

This is the OP



Last lines are these:

I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen no matter what one's background is - at least as much as possible. No complex logic paths for this entry level 101 look at the subject please.​

I am saying whatever one sees stated - actually in Rev 13 and 14 (or related chapter 12 etc) is fine. But I want to stick as close as possible to the level of "the obvious" details in these chapters that inform the reader.

I WAS ON TOPIC. My responses was to those who responded in the same such manner TO ME FIRST. Did you tell them it seems they left the topic and one should stay on topic. It seems you One Trying to control conversations which in most cases never stay on the exact topic. Sorry I replied my BELIEFS ON YOUR THREAD and will never post on anything I may come across again from you again. And if you are a moderator or administrator feel free.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry I replied my BELIEFS ON YOUR THREAD and will never post on anything I may come across again from you again. And if you are a moderator or administrator feel free.

I am not complaining about anyone posting their POV - I just want to stick with the intent of the OP content, subject. I have no interest in telling someone else they are bad or any such thing.