Rev 13 and Rev 14 "mark of the beast" details everyone can see

[Sheila Davis]

The the only biblical definition of God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week found inside God's 4th commandment where it says Exodus 20:10 [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God. See also Genesis 2:1-3. The Sabbath day according to the bible is a full day starting sunset and finishing sunset according to God's time (Genesis 1:1-5). This means that Gods' 4th commandment starts sunset Friday evening to Saturday sunset evening our time.

God bless

Okay _ did I say anything different? I am aware that the Hebrew's day started at 6 p.m. one evening and ended at 6 p.m. the next evening. Which is one reason why many people feel that Christ actually rose on the Sabbath _ the seventh day of the week.
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?
https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/HWA/k/463/resurrection-not-sunday.htm
The Resurrection of Jesus was on a Sabbath Morning
And considering there are 4 sabbaths recognized in the Hebrew culture - which maybe considered holidays these days

Special Sabbaths of the Jewish Year

God Bless

 

[BobRyan]

Okay _ did I say anything different? I am aware that the Hebrew's day started at 6 p.m. one evening and ended at 6 p.m. the next evening. Which is one reason why many people feel that Christ actually rose on the Sabbath _ the seventh day of the week.
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?
https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/HWA/k/463/resurrection-not-sunday.htm
The Resurrection of Jesus was on a Sabbath Morning

Well in Lev 23 we have "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"

your post seems to reference the idioms for "first hour of the day... ninth hour of the day" etc. But I don't know of any text that says "evening begins after the 12th hour of the day" do you?

In August in Israel - sunrise is around 5 am and sunset is at around 6:30 pm which is more than 13 hours. But evening is always sunset and morning is always sunrise.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Okay _ did I say anything different? I am aware that the Hebrew's day started at 6 p.m. one evening and ended at 6 p.m. the next evening. Which is one reason why many people feel that Christ actually rose on the Sabbath _ the seventh day of the week.

Hello Sheila, sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. Perhaps you can clarify with you were saying here...

And all he ask for is one day out of 7. Everyday should be dedicated to God. And the sad thing is these days one goes to church service for an hour or hour and a half and feel they've praised him. Before the 1980s church services lasted; three to three-and-a-half hours then came back later that evening for another hour or two.

In the post I provided to you I was only stating that Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath is a full day from evening to evening and is only defined in the scriptures as the "seventh day" of the week which in God's time start Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not believe the bible supports a non Friday crucifixion and a Sabbath resurrection and do not know what this has to do with what we were talking about did you want to explain why you added this to discussing when the Sabbath starts?

Take Care.

 

[Sheila Davis]

He also says it "is a day of holy convocation" Lev 23:3
He says that for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
He says it was "made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" which speaks to the "making" of both - that we see in Gen 2:1-3
He says it is a day for setting aside all secular activity Is 58:13




only in a sense.... God does not consider the Sabbath "dedicated to God" if it is your day for running errands, mowing the law, doing your taxes. However on work days where all that work must be done - we still dedicate our lives to God no matter that "doing taxes" is not a form of dedicated undistracted worship.

Thank you. What does dedication mean! ? Devoted and you're saying God does not want our devotion. Bye

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Thank you. What does dedication mean! ? Devoted and you're saying God does not want our devotion. Bye

I am not sure how you got that interpretation out of @BobRyan's post to be honest. Well at least I did not interpret it that way. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding.

Keep well.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Hello Sheila, sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. Perhaps you can clarify with you were saying here...

In the post I provided to you I was only stating that Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath is a full day and is only defined in the scriptures as the "seventh day" of the week. I do not believe the bible supports a non Friday crucifixion and a Sabbath resurrection.

Take Care.

I can't make it any plainer - God asked us to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. God ask that man respect the Sabbath by not working on that day - which is by Hebrew custom sunset to sunset. Man should worship God everyday.
My reference to the time churches hold services is only a reference to what the churches is doing today - which has only an hour or so of worship service instead of the full day.
Don't expect for you to or suggesting you should believe that Christ rose on the Sabbath. I used it as a reference to where many believe Christ rose on the Sabbath because the Hebrew days begin from dust to dust.
You also take care!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I can't make it any plainer - God asked us to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. God ask that man respect the Sabbath by not working on that day - which is by Hebrew custom sunset to sunset. Man should worship God everyday.
My reference to the time churches hold services is only a reference to what the churches is doing today - which has only an hour or so of worship service instead of the full day.
Don't expect for you to or suggesting you should believe that Christ rose on the Sabbath. I used it as a reference to where many believe Christ rose on the Sabbath because the Hebrew days begin from dust to dust.
You also take care!

Oh ok great sounds like we are in agreement. Sorry for any confusion my side and thanks for taking the time to explain your post a little further for me. I believe we show our devotion to God and worship God everyday by believing and following what His Word says. It seems today as well most people are all about tradition being more important then what God's Word says which is sad.

 

[Sheila Davis]

So you are saying that in your view it is not just that whatever they use to identify someone as being in compliance with the new law - is the mark, but very specifically that "said mark" - is going to be chip technology?.

Is that really any different from saying "the mark will be a check box filled in" on a specific form?

Why don't you ask that question of the original 40 translators who decided to use the term mark!
Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why don't you ask that question of the original 40 translators who decided to use the term mark!
Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder

I have an interesting study on the word mark and seal from the Hebrew and its link to the mark of the beast that is received in the hand or the forehead. Are you interested? Let me know if you are as it is getting late my time and I will need to get some rest but I can share it with you when I wake up.

Summary in application to "the mark of the Beast" in the hand and forehead letting scripture interpret the scriptures

• MARK/SEAL/SIGN = is BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S WORD or NOT BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD (Revelation 14:7-12; 7:4-10; Deuteronomy 6:8; Ezekiel 20:11-12; Ezekiel 9:1-11)
  
• HAND = To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc)
• FOREHEAD = To believe or think (Ezekiel 3:8-9; Jeremiah 3:3 see also word meanings)

Anyhow let me know I will post more detail tomorrow if your interested.

God bless

 

[Sheila Davis]

I have an interesting study on the word mark and seal from the Hebrew and its link to the mark of the beast that is received in the hand or the forehead. Are you interested? Let me know if you are as it is getting late my time and I will need to get some rest but I can share it with you when I wake up.

Summary in application to "the mark of the Beast" in the hand and forehead letting scripture interpret the scriptures

• MARK/SEAL/SIGN = is BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S WORD or NOT BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD (Revelation 14:7-12; 7:4-10; Deuteronomy 6:8; Ezekiel 20:11-12; Ezekiel 9:1-11)
  
• HAND = To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc)
• FOREHEAD = To believe or think (Ezekiel 3:8-9; Jeremiah 3:3 see also word meanings)

Anyhow let me know I will post more detail tomorrow if your interested.

God bless

There is nothing that you can post that I haven't already read by somebody at some point in the past 20 years. As I said in my initial statement to another _ the late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's chapel taught what you suggest. I didn't believe it in the 90s and I don't believe it now.

I believe the ** mark of the beast** is a physical lableing.

I don't know if these numbers are accurate but I do know that there are many different Christian denominations. The main reason for these differences is because of their belief. Why does Christianity have so many denominations?

When I study, I study all aspects of all beliefs available.

People are so quick to try to prove their points, they are not fully understanding what is being said.

Mark of the beast _ verse 16 he causes all to receive a mark and those without it cannot buy sell or trade _ which is labeling. That has nothing to do with verse 12 where he cause the whole earth to worship the beast - which is their thoughts.

My statements are specifically for the mark of the beast and what I believe it is.

In the English vocabulary the work mark can be used in so many different ways and not necessarily to jot something down on a piece of paper.
Definition of MARK

I said bye once but this is it goodbye and God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

My mistake in one of my other replies to you I named the correct Church. I was not intending to say Latter Day Saints but 7-Day Adventist.

I agree concerning worshiping on the Sabbath. From time to time I attend Sabbath services with the Seventh Day Adventist. What it truly the 7th day Sabbath - God said a day of rest - not to do any work of any kind. He also said in the commandments to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. He knew the Sabbath would be lost. How does one keep a day holy - to keep it dedicated, sacred, consecrated to God. And all he ask for is one day out of 7. Everyday should be dedicated to God.
And the sad thing is these days one goes to church service for an hour or hour and a half and feel they've praised him. Before the 1980s church services lasted; three to three-and-a-half hours then came back later that evening for another hour or two.
Blessings

Hi Shelia,

No worries! It happens, thanks for clarifying.

I know the majority of Seventh day Adventist churches has a bible study before church service, called Sabbath School and then Church service and most SDA's churches have some sort of potluck after church for fellowship. I recently moved and my old SDA church Granite Bay Hilltop which is also part of Amazing Facts with Pastor Doug Batchelor offers seminars regularly on the Sabbath that lasts most of the day. For me personally I love going to church and then after have some alone time with God just reading His Word, praying and having a personal devotion. My old pastor records his sermons, so I also watch on youtube since I can't attend live anymore.

Where I moved to, I am not going to lie, I been having a hard time adjusting finding the right SDA church for me and my husband who is newer to the faith. We both loved our old church, but I am praying that God will lead our path to the right church.

Thanks for sharing and I am glad to hear you accept God's seventh day Sabbath. So many people do not and the day is meant to be a delight, bless and sanctify us. I personally look forward to every Sabbath.

I agree every day we should worship God and I read my bible daily and pray, but the seventh day is God's Day where I dedicate the whole day to Him. It sure has helped me get through the week feeling spiritually charged up after a full day of worship with Jesus.

I'm glad to hear you go to church from time to time on the Sabbath. So far, what do you like about the church you are attending?

God bless!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There is nothing that you can post that I haven't already read by somebody at some point in the past 20 years. As I said in my initial statement to another _ the late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's chapel taught what you suggest. I didn't believe it in the 90s and I don't believe it now.

I believe the ** mark of the beast** is a physical lableing.

I don't know if these numbers are accurate but I do know that there are many different Christian denominations. The main reason for these differences is because of their belief. Why does Christianity have so many denominations?

When I study, I study all aspects of all beliefs available.

People are so quick to try to prove their points, they are not fully understanding what is being said.

Mark of the beast _ verse 16 he causes all to receive a mark and those without it cannot buy sell or trade _ which is labeling. That has nothing to do with verse 12 where he cause the whole earth to worship the beast - which is their thoughts.

My statements are specifically for the mark of the beast and what I believe it is.

In the English vocabulary the work mark can be used in so many different ways and not necessarily to jot something down on a piece of paper.
Definition of MARK

I said bye once but this is it goodbye and God bless

Sheila,

This is a seminar that was put on by Amazing Facts with Pastor Doug. It's very long but goes into a lot of detail about Revelation. It might be worth a watch for you. I know I received a lot of blessings from it.
Program Archives | Revelation Now

God bless!

 

[Sheila Davis]

Hi Shelia,

No worries! It happens, thanks for clarifying.

I know the majority of Seventh day Adventist churches has a bible study before church service, called Sabbath School and then Church service and most SDA's churches have some sort of potluck after church for fellowship. I recently moved and my old SDA church Granite Bay Hilltop which is also part of Amazing Facts with Pastor Doug Batchelor offers seminars regularly on the Sabbath that lasts most of the day. For me personally I love going to church and then after have some alone time with God just reading His Word, praying and having a personal devotion. My old pastor records his sermons, so I also watch on youtube since I can't attend live anymore.

Where I moved to, I am not going to lie, I been having a hard time adjusting finding the right SDA church for me and my husband who is newer to the faith. We both loved our old church, but I am praying that God will lead our path to the right church.

Thanks for sharing and I am glad to hear you accept God's seventh day Sabbath. So many people do not and the day is meant to be a delight, bless and sanctify us. I personally look forward to every Sabbath.

I agree everyday we should worship God and I read my bible daily and pray, but the seventh day is God's Day where I dedicate the whole day to Him. It sure has helped me get through the week feeling spiritually charged up after a full day of worship with Jesus.

I'm glad to hear you go to church from time to time on the Sabbath. So far, what do you like about the church you are attending?

God bless!

Thank you. Amazing Facts I loved listening to the teachings of Joe Crews when it came on television back in the 90s , I actually recorded those shows and have them on video tape. They didn't broadcast long in this area though.


Lakewood under the stewardship of Joel Osteen is a church that I attend frequently - there is no formal membership there. What I like about Lakewood is that Joel is honest and open in my eyesight anyway. As with most rich ministers there is a lot of propaganda surrounding him when he actually does not receive a dime from the church. And I love their praise and worship service.
There are only two Seventh-day Adventist Churches that I am aware of in Houston and they are quite a distance. I haven't attended their Sabbath school but I each time I attended I was offered to stay after church and eat.
Peace be with you

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you. Amazing Facts I loved listening to the teachings of Joe Crews when it came on television back in the 90s , I actually recorded those shows and have them on cassette tape. They didn't broadcast long in this area though.


Lakewood under the stewardship of Joel Osteen is a church that I attend frequently - there is no formal membership there. What I like about Lakewood is that Joel is honest and open in my eyesight anyway. As with most rich ministers there is a lot of propaganda surrounding him when he actually does not receive a dime from the church. And I love their praise and worship service.
There are only two Seventh-day Adventist Churches that I am aware of in Houston and they are quite a distance. I haven't attended their Sabbath school but I each time I attended I was offered to stay after church and eat.
Peace be with you

I love Joe Crews too, he handed over Amazing Facts to Pastor Doug and I love what Pastor Doug has done with AmazingFacts. Here is the website Amazing Facts - Christian Media You can also go to the site search section if you type in Joe Crews Site Search | Amazing Facts you will find a lot of his past sermons. I remember them growing up when life seemed so much simpler than it is today.

I am really enjoying Sabbath School. The church goes through the entire bible every 4 years. Pastor Doug records his Sabbath School class found here (scroll down) Sabbath School Study Hour | Amazing Facts and I have found them very useful when reading along with the bible at the same time.

I appreciate you sharing and hope to see you around.

God bless!

 

[Sheila Davis]

I am not sure how you got that interpretation out of @BobRyan's post to be honest. Well at least I did not interpret it that way. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding.

Keep well.

He said: God does not consider the Sabbath "dedicated to God" _ quoting my words dedicated to God. What did he mean?

I have a few other comments from him which I perceived as being a bit sarcastic. So maybe when I see his name - my perception is negative.

To me the Sabbath was created for man as scripture says and man should dedicate the Sabbath to God - as best as they possibly can.

 

[Mugen]

its generally hard or impossible to pin down an exact interpretation. even 100 years ago people wouldn't have imagined a microchip to be potentially the mark of the beast.

sometimes we also need to think outside of the box. its entirely possible the beast will not usher in a stage of sunday/saturday worship but rather total apostasy, a global ethics based religion, completely doing away with the bible.

however, before the mark we will still have the 42 months period and the two witnesses to prepare and warn the world about whats happening.

 

[Sheila Davis]

its generally hard or impossible to pin down an exact interpretation. even 100 years ago people wouldn't have imagined a microchip to be potentially the mark of the beast.

sometimes we also need to think outside of the box. its entirely possible the beast will not usher in a stage of sunday/saturday worship but rather total apostasy, a global ethics based religion, completely doing away with the bible.

however, before the mark we will still have the 42 months period and the two witnesses to prepare and warn the world about whats happening.

I agree according to scripture he's going to abolish the worship of God and set himself up as God. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4
2 Thessalonians 2:4 - Bible Gateway

I'm not sure about the 42 months because Jesus is going to cut those days short. Matthew 24:22 _ Mark 13:20

Matthew 24:22 - Bible Gateway

50 years ago the notion of technological implants in humans was not conceived.
One reason I believe it won't be long before the Antichrist is revealed _ all things are falling in place.
People have been preaching for centuries the end is right around the corner, people predicting this year or that year.
Yet the prophecy listed in Daniel 12:4 concerning knowledge increasement of the last days _ listed in Zechariah 14:12 KJV flesh shall be consumed before the body hits the ground, sounds like nuclear weaponry _ prophecies listed in the book of Matthew father against son daughter against mother 10:35 & all the prophecies in Matthew chapter 24, especially the gospel must be preached to all Nations and then the end will come, only a hundred or less tribes choose not to be a part of civilizations of the so-called civilized world _ prophecy listed in Luke concerning the days of Lot and the coming of Christ 17:28-37 - prophecy listed concerning the fig tree which many believe is Israel 21:29-36. Things such as much of those I listed did not happen until the 20th century.
Some say the mark of the beast are your thoughts/choices, some say it's a tattoo on the skin, I believe and agree with those who feel it is microchip implants. We won't know as an absolute until that time occurs.
If you read this, thank you and I won't bother you again.

 

[Mugen]

I agree according to scripture he's going to abolish the worship of God and set himself up as God. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4
2 Thessalonians 2:4 - Bible Gateway

I'm not sure about the 42 months because Jesus is going to cut those days short. Matthew 24:22 _ Mark 13:20

Matthew 24:22 - Bible Gateway

50 years ago the notion of technological implants in humans was not conceived.
One reason I believe it won't be long before the Antichrist is revealed _ all things are falling in place.
People have been preaching for centuries the end is right around the corner, people predicting this year or that year.
Yet the prophecy listed in Daniel 12:4 concerning knowledge increasement of the last days _ listed in Zechariah 14:12 KJV flesh shall be consumed before the body hits the ground, sounds like nuclear weaponry _ prophecies listed in the book of Matthew father against son daughter against mother 10:35 & all the prophecies in Matthew chapter 24, especially the gospel must be preached to all Nations and then the end will come, only a hundred or less tribes choose not to be a part of civilizations of the so-called civilized world _ prophecy listed in Luke concerning the days of Lot and the coming of Christ 17:28-37 - prophecy listed concerning the fig tree which many believe is Israel 21:29-36. Things such as much of those I listed did not happen until the 20th century.
Some say the mark of the beast are your thoughts/choices, some say it's a tattoo on the skin, I believe and agree with those who feel it is microchip implants. We won't know as an absolute until that time occurs.
If you read this, thank you and I won't bother you again.

Personally I am not attached to any interpretation. The problem with most interpretations is, you have to bend other parts of other prophecies to make your interpretation work, at least it happens more often than not. Better to have an open mind about it.

As for the days cut short, we cannot be certain its the 42 months, Jesus was talking about.

Imo the tribulation will come after the 42 months.

Revelation mentions a 42 months period for the beast to persecute and overcome the saints, and a 42 months period for the 2 witnesses until they get slain. Not too much detail is given here.

the mark of the beast, comes after that period imo

 

[Sheila Davis]

Personally I am not attached to any interpretation. The problem with most interpretations is, you have to bend other parts of other prophecies to make your interpretation work, at least it happens more often than not. Better to have an open mind about it.

As for the days cut short, we cannot be certain its the 42 months, Jesus was talking about.

Imo the tribulation will come after the 42 months.

Revelation mentions a 42 months period for the beast to persecute and overcome the saints, and a 42 months period for the 2 witnesses until they get slain. Not too much detail is given here.

the mark of the beast, comes after that period imo

I never said or thought you were personally attached to any interpretation.
I haven't seen any interpretation that has to bend other parts of prophecy.
I think I said we don't know as an absolute what the mark of the beast will actually be.
When Jesus said he had to cut short those days or no flesh would be saved - what else could he be talkin about and that particular scripture is found in the midst of the prophecies Jesus talked of. The end of days is the only time when all flesh on Earth will be destroyed and a new heaven and new earth will be brought in after judgement.
Okay I'm done - said I wasn't going to bother you again. This time I will be true to my word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There is nothing that you can post that I haven't already read by somebody at some point in the past 20 years. As I said in my initial statement to another _ the late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's chapel taught what you suggest. I didn't believe it in the 90s and I don't believe it now.

I believe the ** mark of the beast** is a physical lableing.

I don't know if these numbers are accurate but I do know that there are many different Christian denominations. The main reason for these differences is because of their belief. Why does Christianity have so many denominations?

When I study, I study all aspects of all beliefs available.

People are so quick to try to prove their points, they are not fully understanding what is being said.

Mark of the beast _ verse 16 he causes all to receive a mark and those without it cannot buy sell or trade _ which is labeling. That has nothing to do with verse 12 where he cause the whole earth to worship the beast - which is their thoughts.

My statements are specifically for the mark of the beast and what I believe it is.

In the English vocabulary the work mark can be used in so many different ways and not necessarily to jot something down on a piece of paper.
Definition of MARK

I said bye once but this is it goodbye and God bless

To let you know I did not get my own personal study of the scriptures from anyone. I did not read of it in any book. I did not find it anywhere except from a prayerful detailed study of God's Word asking Jesus to be my guide and teacher. You should also perhaps consider that the Hebrew and Greek language is not the same as the English and has different word meanings applied to it. Anyhow if you are not interested. I will not share it with you. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That was never in question and is between you and God.

Take Care.