Rev 13 and Rev 14 "mark of the beast" details everyone can see

[BobRyan]

Rev 13 is the first chapter in the Bible to introduce "the mark of the beast" and "worshipping the beast and his image".

The "bad side" (2nd beast of Rev 13) has a program outlined in Rev 13:11-18 and the good guys have a plan and message as identified in Rev 14

Summary:

When we look at Rev 13 and Rev 14 we see is that in the future we have this --

1. the 1260 years dark ages of Rev 12 (also mentioned in chapter 13)
2. The two beasts of Rev 13
3. A point where signs and wonders are being done and all the world is "bought in"
4. A law regarding worship - where violation of it means the total loss of ability to buy or sell - not merely "on Sunday".
5. The law strengthened to the point of death penalty for violation of it.

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Rev 13

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.​

And the 3 angels of Rev 14 also tell us more about it.

Rev 14:

6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

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Obviously in terms of "worship" to the beast "and his image" - we see the issue of sin - condemned in the Ten Commandments - worship of someone who is not God Himself, a form of false worship no doubt.

Making an image to the beast in some way - and then worshipping it.

Another obvious detail is that something tangible is made/available so that without it - you cannot buy or sell.

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I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen no matter what one's background is - at least as much as possible. No complex logic paths for this entry level 101 look at the subject please.​

 

[BobRyan]

In the OP we see that the power of deception with the mark of the beast in Rev 13 - is very great such that the entire world is taken in by it.

2 Thess 2 - is another chapter were this is alluded to - having great signs and wonders and deceiving everyone.

 

[BobRyan]

Notice that the two groups are

1. The saints who keep the commandments of God - Rev 14:12
2. Those who worship the beast and his image - and take the mark. Rev 13:15-6 Rev 14:9-11

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There is a very reliable and structured way of viewing the Rev 13 details - where the Bible explains the Bible.

As follows:
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All apocalyptic timelines use "day for year" as in Dan 9's seventy week prophecy which is 490 real years of time.

The dragon beast of Rev 12 is stated to be Satan in that chapter - but its attempts to kill Christ (also described in that chapter) came through the empire of pagan Rome. The woman in Rev 12 had to flee persecution - which is what the Christian church did , first from pagan and and then in the dark ages it fled from religious persecution , Bible burning, etc for 1260 years.

The 4 beasts of Dan 7 are stated to be 4 empires in Dan 2, 7 and 8.
1. Lion -- Babylon (Dan 2), Dan 7, (one head)
2. Bear - Medes and Persians Dan 7, Dan 8 (one head)
3. Leopard - Greece - and 7 and 8 (four heads)
4. 10-horned beast - Rome - Dan 7, and 8 unnamed (1 head)

A total of 7 heads and 10 horns in Dan 7.

Rev 17 informs us that the "sea" symbol is a multitude of nations and languages
Rev 17:1

The term "antichrist" is not used in 2 Thess 2 or in Rev 13

"Come, I will shew to thee the judgment of the great harlot, who is sitting upon the many waters,...15 And he saith to me, `The waters that thou didst see, where the harlot doth sit, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues;"​

So then the first beast of Rev 13 is an empire/entity that arises out of many nations and languages - densely populated -- (so probably Europe).

The first beast of Rev 13 is a composite view of Dan 7 - and arises out of many nations

So then the first beast of Rev 13 is an empire/entity that arises out of many nations and languages - densely populated -- (so probably Europe). It is the same entity that persecutes the saints for 1260 years - (persecution period of time mentioned in Rev 11, 12, 13)

Rev 13:1

"And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore.
Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads were blasphemous names. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne, and great authority."
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So then the second beast of Rev 13 - is a nation that arises out of "the land" not the "sea". So not densely populated with many nations like Europe. And it arises aftere after the end of the 1260 years of dark ages persecution mentioned in Rev 12. The reference to "lamb" is always a reference to Christ - so something about the rise of the second beast carries the message of Christ - but later it speaks as the dragon of Rev 12 -- satan.

Rev 13:11

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who live on it worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of the sky to the earth in the presence of people. 14 And he deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life.​

To make the whole earth do what it wants -- it would need to be some sort of "superpower". The term "antichrist" is not found in Rev 13 or 14 - but "man of sin" is mentioned in 2 Thess 2 so the final end-time "antichrist" does play a part in all of this.

 

[jesuslover811]

Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner
well I do not have any marks on my hand or forehead so Im safe

 

[Sheila Davis]

Rev 13 is the first chapter in the Bible to introduce "the mark of the beast" and "worshipping the beast and his image".

Rev 13

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.​

And the 3 angels of Rev 14 also tell us more about it.

Rev 14:

6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

======================

Obviously in terms of "worship" to the beast "and his image" - we see the issue of sin - condemned in the Ten Commandments - worship of someone who is not God Himself, a form of false worship no doubt.

Making an image to the beast in some way - and then worshipping it.

Another obvious detail is that something tangible is made/available so that without it - you cannot buy or sell.

========

I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen no matter what one's background is - at least as much as possible. No complex logic paths for this entry level 101 look at the subject please.​

Worship _ to regard with great - respect - honor - devotion
Definition of WORSHIP

Image _ an idea that someone may have
Definition of IMAGE

It is possible it's not going to be a carved image or manufactured structural image but the ideas of a person. Cult-ish

The newer Bibles read they shall receive a mark on their right hand *on* their forehead _ Bibles printed before 20 years ago, KJV said *in* their right hand in their forehead -that makes a great difference.

MARK OF THE BEAST DETAILS EVERYONE CAN SEE.
I personally think it's the microchip, many think it's a tattoo. I believe the microchip can hold all the information needed in a person's life to continue to have the ability to buy, sell, trade, rent, medical Care, finances, more so than a tattoo. Embedded under the skin everyone will not be able to see it but they'll know you have it because you will be buying, selling, and trading, working, going on with your everyday life.
Time will tell.

 

[Gary O']

It is possible it's not going to be a carved image or manufactured structural image but the ideas of a person. Cult-ish

The newer Bibles read they shall receive a mark on their right hand *on* their forehead _ Bibles printed before 20 years ago, KJV said *in* their right hand in their forehead -that makes a great difference.

MARK OF THE BEAST DETAILS EVERYONE CAN SEE.
I personally think it's the microchip, many think it's a tattoo. I believe the microchip can hold all the information needed in a person's life to continue to have the ability to buy, sell, trade, rent, medical Care, finances, more so than a tattoo. Embedded under the skin everyone will not be able to see it but they'll know you have it because you will be buying, selling, and trading, working, going on with your everyday life.
Time will tell.

'On' or 'in', I believe they either think it and believe it (in/on their forehead), or just do it, whether they believe it or not (in/on their right hand) so they can buy/sell.

 

[Sheila Davis]

'On' or 'in', I believe they either think it and believe it (in/on their forehead), or just do it, whether they believe it or not (in/on their right hand) so they can buy/sell.

The late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel of Arkansas taught that it's not going to be an actual tattoo or Mark - that it would be a person's thoughts / what a person did. Is that what you're saying?
My question to that ideology is how could your thoughts prevent you from buying, selling, or trading. Scripture states a person "will not be able" to buy, sell, or trade "unless" they had the mark. That sounds like something will prohibit anyone from buying, selling, trading, basically doing the required things to live unless they had the mark.
Unless those who serve Lucifer is able to read minds and is in control of all the buying, selling, and trading everywhere in the world - how would they know what your thoughts are? The cashier, the bank teller, car sales person, insurance salesperson and so forth and so on, all would have to have the ability to read one's mind? With billions of people how would they control it?
Decades ago when I first heard the Chinese were using microchips in their dogs because of thievery - I knew pretty soon humans would be using the same technology within themselves. They were already trying the iris scan, palm scan with humans. Decades ago governments and banks were and still is looking for a way to eliminate currency.

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That is why I believe the computer chip will be the mark of the beast. I believe that human implants of the chip will replace credit cards. And if I'm wrong and it's not that - I still I would say it's something other than what one thinks or do.

 

[Gary O']

The late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel of Arkansas taught that it's not going to be an actual tattoo or Mark - that it would be a person's thoughts / what a person did. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, basically
If you believe, you'll state that belief when asked and do what's required
Like joining an 'organization', swearing in

If you don't believe, but cooperate, you'll be joining that 'organization' and doing what's required

 

[Sheila Davis]

Yes, basically
If you believe, you'll state that belief when asked and do what's required
Like joining an 'organization', swearing in

If you don't believe, but cooperate, you'll be joining that 'organization' and doing what's required

Understood. I have a but and a how. There are over 7 billion people in this world - I can't see anything like that working either way. There would have to be an organization setup in every institution in the world - every grocer, every hospital, every flower shop, every hardware store, every utility company, every distributor of any type of goods, every fisherman, every contractor, and the list goes on and on and on. How would they know who's lying and who's telling the truth? A believer who is a mother or father has to feed their hungry children, can say to a satanic organization - I don't believe in God in order to buy, sell, and trade and get food for their children, a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs.
A non-believer can say I believe in God and infiltrate and disrupt and locate where the believers are and set them up for imprisonment or whatever type of death they may face.
No that idea just doesn't work for me. not saying you're wrong because I don't know - for now I can only speak on what I believe.

 

[Gary O']

No that idea just doesn't work for me. not saying you're wrong because I don't know - for now I can only speak on what I believe.

I so appreciate that.

SDAs, keeping the seventh day, involve Sunday laws in that regard.

 

[Sheila Davis]

I so appreciate that.

SDAs, keeping the seventh day, involve Sunday laws in that regard.

I so appreciate that.

SDAs, keeping the seventh day, involve Sunday laws in that regard.

I am at a loss, what are the Sunday laws? There was a blue law here in the states - that was partially enforced until the mid-60s or so. Where the only thing you could buy was food. Alcoholic beverages at 12. But that type of law would not prohibit buying, selling, and trading based on whether one believes or not - again based on belief or disbelief how would they know whether one was a believer or not?
I have been trying for years, since the nineties to understand Pastor Murry's concept of the mark of the beast is in the mind - what one thinks / what one does - for me never adds up how. Thank you

 

[Gary O']

I am at a loss, what are the Sunday laws?

@BobRyan should be the one to chime in here.

I want to hold with his request

I would like to restrict this thread to just the facts that can be easily seen

 

[Sheila Davis]

@BobRyan should be the one to chime in here.

I want to hold with his request

I am out - microchips are fact - and implanted in humans is fact.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am out - microchips are fact - and implanted in humans is fact.

It’s not going to be a chip or implant, the mark of the beast is about worship. Who do we worship. God told us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8. This is God’s will for us. He wrote it with His own finger and spoke it with His own voice. The Sabbath is the day Jesus kept as our example Luke 4:16-22 as well as the disciples Acts 18:4

Right now no one has received the mark of the beast because we have free will as to the day we worship. But as you can see, our rights are rapidly declining, which will eventually turn into a law called the “Sunday Law” or something similar where no one can worship on God’s true Sabbath day, the seventh day and force worship on the man-made tradition of Sunday. Sunday-keeping is not a commandment of God, but Sabbath keeping is and throughout scripture we are told to keep God’s commandments. Exodus 20:6, John 15:10, John 14:15, 1 John 2:2-4, 1 John 5:3, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14. Jesus warned us that we should keep God’s commandments over mans traditions and doing so we worship in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

I believe soon they will introduce a mandated “Sabbath” for climate change and it won’t be on God’s true Sabbath day which God clearly said is the seventh day Exodus 20:10. Once this takes affect it will slowly turn into a persecuting power and will start persecuting true Sabbath keepers, which will prevent them from buying or selling. How that will happen who knows, but it won’t be hard since they can already track everyone.

God wants us to worship Him in truth and spirit. Stay close to God and pray for the Holy Spirit for guidance. God wins this war in the end! God bless!

 

[Mugen]

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business part.
as for worship, Jesus tells us to serve God not mammon (or money).

overall revelation is a bit obscure and can be hard to understand. sometimes people bend a certain part in order to make it fit a biased interpretation. maybe the time hasn't come yet for us to understand it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business

It only comes into effect when you are forced to worship on Sunday, than you have to make a choice do you obey God or man. Those who continue worshipping God on His chosen day, the seventh day Sabbath will be prevented from buying or selling. It could be by a chip, but the chip is not the mark, the mark is who we worship. Man or God. If we don’t worship God is truth and spirit we by default worship man.

Yes, it seems hard to believe, but I never thought over a year ago we would be mandated to get a vaccine which has prevented many from traveling and even losing their jobs. This has set the precedent for what is to come.

 

[Sheila Davis]

It’s not going to be a chip or implant, the mark of the beast is about worship. Who do we worship. God told us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8. This is God’s will for us. He wrote it with His own finger and spoke it with His own voice. The Sabbath is the day Jesus kept as our example Luke 4:16-22 as well as the disciples Acts 18:4

Right now no one has received the mark of the beast because we have free will as to the day we worship. But as you can see, our rights are rapidly declining, which will eventually turn into a law called the Sunday Law, where no one can worship on God’s true Sabbath day, the seventh day. Sunday-keeping is not a commandment of God, but Sabbath keeping is and throughout scripture we are told to keep God’s commandments. Exodus 20:6, John 15:10, John 14:15, 1 John 2:2-4, 1 John 5:3, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14. Jesus warned us that we should keep God’s commandments over mans traditions and doing so we worship in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

I believe soon they will introduce a mandated “Sabbath” for climate change and it won’t be on God’s true Sabbath day which God clearly said is the seventh day Exodus 20:10. Once this takes affect it will slowly turn into a persecuting power and will start persecuting true Sabbath keepers, which will prevent them from buying or selling. How that will happen who knows, but it won’t be hard since they can already track everyone.

God wants us to worship Him in truth and spirit. Stay close to God and pray for the Holy Spirit for guidance. God wins this war in the end! God bless!

Thank you for your comment - I believe differently concerning microchipping and the right to worship on the Sabbath.

Everyone has the right to worship on the Sabbath, which is the seventh day.
The early churches accepted the first day worship on a Sunday which was made into LAW by Constantine and passed it down from generation to generation. So from my point of view - what you call the Sunday Law has already been in effect for centuries.
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There are the Seventh-day Adventist and the Sabbatarians _ both congregate and worship on the Sabbath. One can always worship alone on on the Sabbath or find others who feel as they do and worship together which is simply prayer and praise and still attend Sunday service.

I believe there will be a one world government ruled by the beast and his Antichrist - and this government will mandate microchipping _ seemingly for a good cause. (Nothing to do with the coronavirus vaccine) I believe they will set up the system of using the micro chip which will be able to track any individual who has it. And without the microchip you will not be able to buy, sell, or trade. Even now it is slowly becoming a cashless society. Most jobs want you to have a bank account so they can eliminate writing checks. Most banks want you to have a bank card to do your transactions which are operated by microchips. The majority of the things we do is controlled by microchips. If a computer system goes out, the business has to stop operating until it is back online. Cars are controlled by computer chips - many things people use even within their homes are controlled by computer chips.
Microchips are now and have been for a few years are planted into willing humans, having their information on it so they have to do is scan themselves in many aspects of their lives.
Elon Musk brain to machine interface he's been in the news a lot lately.
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The Swiss love implants
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You have a right to believe as you wish as well as others. You can say what I believe is not the way it's going to be, as is you're right.

You as well stay close to God and pray for guidance. And I agree God has *already* won the war he's just waiting for the appointed time to carry out the sentencing as written in Revelation _ Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels down to earth. And written in the book of John 12:31 KJV judgement is upon the Earth.
AND MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you for your comment - I believe differently concerning microchipping and the right to worship on the Sabbath.

Everyone has the right to worship on the Sabbath, which is the seventh day.

Everyone has the right to “now” but there will be a time in the future where Sunday worship will be mandated and for those who keep the commandments of God, God’s true day of worship will not be able to buy or sell.

The early churches accepted the first day worship on a Sunday which was made into LAW by Constantine and passed it down from generation to generation. So from my point of view - what you call the Sunday Law has already been in effect for centuries.
March 7, 321: How Sunday Became the Christian Day of Rest - History and Headlines

I agree with you and this is what its going to come down to. Do we obey man’s law or God’s law? There is no commandment for Sunday-keeping in God’s law but there is for Sabbath keeping which was written by the finger of God. Exodus 20:8-11 and predicted in scripture would be changed, not by God. Daniel 7:25. Do we obey man and keep traditions over God’s commandments and this is the final question everyone will have to answer. Jesus in His own words told us to obey God’s commandments over traditions and if one keeps traditions over the commandments, they are worshipping in vain Matthew 15:3-9. Thats what the end times is about, who do we worship. Do we obey God and His authority or mans?

This is what Revelation 13 and 14 is about.

Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” This is a direct reference to the 4th commandment Exodus 20:8-11

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Jesus is calling out of Babylon and the man-made traditions

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

God saints keep God’s commandments including the 4th commandment that God told us to Remember.

@Freth @LoveGodsWord @BobRyan can probably add a lot more detail

I agree the vaccine has nothing to do with it other than the way the government handled the situation and the precedent it is setting against our constitutional rights.
God bless!

 

[Sheila Davis]

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business part.
as for worship, Jesus tells us to serve God not mammon (or money).

overall revelation is a bit obscure and can be hard to understand. sometimes people bend a certain part in order to make it fit a biased interpretation. maybe the time hasn't come yet for us to understand it.

More to it than just business usage. For now it's just criminal records, medical records, financial records, access to certain areas or other computers or chipped items

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business part.
as for worship, Jesus tells us to serve God not mammon (or money).

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overall revelation is a bit obscure and can be hard to understand. sometimes people bend a certain part in order to make it fit a biased interpretation. maybe the time hasn't come yet for us to understand it.

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business part.
as for worship, Jesus tells us to serve God not mammon (or money).

overall revelation is a bit obscure and can be hard to understand. sometimes people bend a certain part in order to make it fit a biased interpretation. maybe the time hasn't come yet for us to understand it.

A potential microchip as a means to control business transactions is actually not as far fetched as it may seem to some.

As for the sabbath day, or sunday worship, if that was the case then the mark of the beast has been all over the place for centuries. Does Sunday worship only become the mark if buying or selling is involved? a bit hard to imagine.

as for the chip: it would definitely help control the business part.
as for worship, Jesus tells us to serve God not mammon (or money).

overall revelation is a bit obscure and can be hard to understand. sometimes people bend a certain part in order to make it fit a biased interpretation. maybe the time hasn't come yet for us to understand it.

 

[Mugen]

It only comes into effect when you are forced to worship on Sunday, than you have to make a choice do you obey God or man. Those who continue worshipping God on His chosen day, the seventh day Sabbath will be prevented from buying or selling. It could be by a chip, but the chip is not the mark, the mark is who we worship. Man or God. If we don’t worship God is truth and spirit we by default worship man.

Yes, it seems hard to believe, but I never thought over a year ago we would be mandated to get a vaccine which has prevented many from traveling and even losing their jobs. This has set the precedent for what is to come.

but doesnt the text say the were worshipping the image of the beast? which the inhabitants were to told to build by the 2nd beast?