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Resurrection, First Resurrection and New Birth

Zao is life

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You didn’t mention Matthew 27:51-53 in the OP. If the first resurrection is still future, do you have to spiritualize the event in Matthew 27?
Matthew 27:51-53 is referring to a bodily resurrection and it's not calling it a "spiritual" resurrection. The point is that in all the New Testament, there is no such thing as a "spiritual" resurrection either stated or implied. It's a bodily resurrection. The new birth is not a "resurrection". It's a spiritual birth.
 
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Please explain how Christ's bodily resurrection which is being referred to in the above verse, equates to our spiritual birth when we are born again by the Spirit.

.. and stop playing games by side-stepping the issue.

Firstborn from the dead - the verses you quote below refer to Christ's bodily resurrection and do not equate to our new birth when we are born of the Spirit from above.

Stop playing games and side-stepping the issue:


You have no evidence that the verses which are talking only about either Christ's bodily resurrection or the bodily resurrection of those found in Him or both, are equating spiritual birth from above with the bodily resurrection that ALL these verses are talking about, and you have utterly failed, till now, to provide evidence that Revelation 20:6 is not speaking of the first resurrection of the saints following the return of Christ and following the time of Christ's resurrection.

The verses you quote are also referring to a bodily resurrection - not to a born-again experience.

And since you have utterly failed to provide any evidence till now, you have shown that you cannot. It's simply what you have read into the scriptures which talk about the resurrection from the dead - your eisegesis.
 
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That post is just full of personal opinion.
Even if it were it would make a nice change from threads being flooded with your posts full of nothing more than personal opinion based on your reading the word "resurrection" into what Christ said to us about being born from above.
 
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Concerning spiritual resurrection. You are more wrong than right. Prior to salvation, we were never alive spiritually! All of mankind is born dichotomous, that is only with a body and soul. We are spiritually born dead. When we are born again- it is not called a resurrection, but a new birth or being made a new creature and that is when we are trichotomous, body, soul and spirit! So there really is no spiritual resurrection.
 
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Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Here you go. This person has clearly been saved, and within hours of his death. So demonstrate how 2 resurrections apply to this person. Demonstrate how Romans 6 is applied to him the same way it is being applied to others who are still physically alive and are not having physical death staring them in the face at the time.

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Demonstrate how this also applies to the thief on the cross.
 
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You are correct on all counts as I see. No where in scripture is receiving the holy spirit or being born of the spirit the same as bejng resurrected from the dead. The resurrection is a whole new ballgame that none of us here has played.

1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Paul admitted he did not know everything even though he spent much time studying what the prophets before him wrote. But those prophets were only sent to Israel to testify and spoke of one resurrection. But John was given a clearer picture of the future consisting of two resurrections. One of which had been spoken of by the prophets and another later.
The reason Paul, Peter and others never mentioned two resurrections is because they didn't know about the second. That Revelation was not shared with them.
 
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It is both! These are 2 similar analogies used to impress the miracle of new life. How else are we translated from death to life spiritually?
 
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You are correct on all counts as I see. No where in scripture is receiving the holy spirit or being born of the spirit the same as bejng resurrected from the dead. The resurrection is a whole new ballgame that none of us here has played.

Your conflict is with the inspired text. Please read it above. It refutes your opinion.
 
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When he was saved, he was raised from the grave of his sin unto spiritual life. As a result of that: death has no hold on him. He now enters the presence of God to reign with Christ when he gives up the ghost. He will then experience the last aspect of redemption when his body is physically raised at the general resurrection at the climactic return of Christ to judge the living and the dead and introduce perfection and eternity.
 
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It is both! These are 2 similar analogies used to impress the miracle of new life. How else are we translated from death to life spiritually?
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John 3:6, words of Jesus Christ).

Read it to yourself over and over and over and over until the veil lifts from your eyes.
 
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Regardless of whether the first resurrection is spiritual or physical, would you agree then that the first resurrection has already occurred?
 
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The Greek for “that hath part” is echo méros. The Greek verb echo correctly interpreted “that hath” in the King James Version is written in the present tense and in the active voice. Therefore, we can view the relevance and vitality of “the first resurrection” as being both current and ongoing. Christ’s victory over death is not simply a past event that has no active bearing upon what we are today; it is ongoing reality in the lives of God’s people. The Greek word translated “part” in the text is the word meros meaning share, allotment or portion. This reading tells us that all those that have come to the joy of saving faith in Christ have become partakers in the resurrection life, and through this will escape the horrors of the second death – eternal wrath.

This passage is describing the reality and result of our mystical union with Christ. The expression “in Christ” [Gr. en Christo] is found 216 times in the New Testament and refers to our federal and covenantal standing. It shows us that our spiritual status is totally derived from and dependent upon relationship with Christ.

Aorist Tense

The aorist is said to be "simple occurrence" or "summary occurrence", without regard for the amount of time taken to accomplish the action. This tense is also often referred to as the 'punctiliar' tense. 'Punctiliar' in this sense means 'viewed as a single, collective whole,' a "one-point-in-time" action, although it may actually take place over a period of time.

This matter is absolutely crucial to understanding Revelation 20 and conclusively damning for the Premil doctrine. That is why Premils duck round it.

When we get saved we become one with Jesus Christ spiritually. We identify with Christ and the victory He won over sin, death and the grave. As He died, was buried and conquered death, we also have our “part” in His success.

This is supported by Revelation 2:11, which similarly says: “He that overcometh (present active particle) shall not be hurt of the second death.”

The word "overcometh" here is actually written in the present active particle meaning it relates to the here-and-now. It is an experience that is realized in life. When you have "eth" in the KJV it means it is a present reality.

Anything that we are, or anything that we possess, that is of any spiritual worth, emanates solely from what Christ has done for us and how we partake in that, “For in him we live, and move, and have our being” (Acts 17:28). The fact is, “we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones” (Ephesians 5:30). This is indeed a deep spiritual mystery. Christ is our representative head who has obtained victory over sin, death, condemnation, guilt, fear, Satan and every other enemy of our soul. Romans 11:36 says, “For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever.”

Hebrews 3:14 records of those that are saved, “we are made partakers of Christ.” Peter says of us now, that we are “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4).

We cannot comprehend the authority of the child of God outside of this spiritual union, because without this oneness we are powerless. Christ is our representative head who has obtained victory over sin, death, condemnation, guilt fear, Satan and every other enemy of our soul. We reign because He reigns. We exercise authority because He exercises authority, at the right hand of majesty on high.

Romans 5:18-19 says, “as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

The awful “condemnation” that afflicts every man since the fall through inherited sin is completely removed “in Christ” through the new birth experience. Through salvation the penitent is fully justified and “made righteous” in the eyes of God. He is taken instantly from spiritual death into spiritual life by being raised from a horrible spiritual grave.

Romans 6:4 says, “we are buried with him by baptism into death.”

Colossians 2:12 agrees, saying, we are “Buried with him in baptism.”

Romans 6:4 says, “like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Colossians 2:12 again concurs, saying, ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

The new birth that results, which is described in Romans 6:4 as a “newness of life,” is expressly associated with, and likened to, the resurrection of Christ. The old man dies and the new man rises in supernatural resurrection power. The exact wording reads, “like (or) hoósper (or) ‘exactly like’ as Christ was raised up from the dead … hoútoos (or) ‘in like manner’ (or) ‘on this fashion’ we also should walk in newness of life.”
 
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Regardless of whether the first resurrection is spiritual or physical, would you agree then that the first resurrection has already occurred?

Of course! We have our part or portion in His "first resurrection" through salvation. That gives us victory over eternal punishment - "the second death." In salvation we identify with Christ in His life, death and resurrection. We come into spiritual union with Him, and become joint-heirs to His eternal inheritance.
 
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Regardless of whether the first resurrection is spiritual or physical, would you agree then that the first resurrection has already occurred?
The words resurrection and references to being raised from death in ALL the verses talking about Christ's resurrection from the dead and about the resurrection of those who believe in Him are speaking only about the bodily resurrection.

JESUS told us we had to be born from above spiritually in order to see or enter the Kingdom of heaven - He did not say we needed to be "resurrected", nor did HE call it "the first resurrection" - and neither does any New Testament verse talking about being raised (egeiro) from the dead or resurrection (anastasis) from death.
 
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John 3:6, words of Jesus Christ).

Read it to yourself over and over and over and over until the veil lifts from your eyes.

I understand it is frustrating fighting with Scripture, but keep your insults to yourself.
 
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Nope.

The words resurrection and references to being raised from death in ALL the verses talking about Christ's resurrection from the dead and about the resurrection of those who believe in Him are speaking only about the bodily resurrection.

JESUS told us we had to be born from above (spiritually) in order to see or enter the Kingdom of heaven - He did not say we needed to be "resurrected", nor did HE call it "the first resurrection" - and neither does any New Testament verse talking about being raised (egeiro) from the dead or resurrection (anastasis) from death.
 
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You keep side-stepping the fact that the words resurrection and references to being raised from death in ALL the verses talking about Christ's resurrection from the dead and about the resurrection of those who believe in Him are speaking only about the bodily resurrection, as well as the fact that JESUS told us we had to be born from above (spiritually) in order to see or enter the Kingdom of heaven - He did not say we needed to be "resurrected", nor did HE call it "the first resurrection" - and neither does any New Testament verse talking about being raised (egeiro) from the dead or resurrection (anastasis) from death.
 
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In your theology, Jesus resurrection is ignored/overlooked as if it did not happen. You make man's resurrection the first, rather than Christ's. This is ridiculous, unscriptural and wrong. This is what Premil produces.

While Amils present countless Scriptures to corroborate their position, Premil has nothing. Notably, you cannot even address a basic question to support for your private opinion of Rev 20.

What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

Your silence is deafening!
 
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