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I don’t believe virgins are more respected.

  • don’t believe, virgins are more respected, yes

  • don’t believe, virgins are more respected, don’t know

  • do believe, virgins are more respected?


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Mling

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What makes [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tyness immoral?


In and of itself--nothing whatsoever. It can be used as a way to control people, though; and it can be a sign of a really poor self-image. In the first case, I'd say it's immoral because it's manipulative. In the second, I wouldn't say it's "immoral" so much as "unhealthy."

Having multiple partners can also be an extremely healthy experience for some people, though.

Question: considering that there's a gender-neutral term for "sleeping around" (promiscuity) why did you chose a term that almost always specifies females?
 
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It is a word that can be applied to both sexes. If you think of women when that word is used you might want to look at yourself to see why your mind makes that connection.

All the reasons you mentioned as to why [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tyness is/can be bad also should explain why not being promiscuous can be or is considered good by some people.
 
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For number one, a boyfriend and girlfriend can get tested, then have a monogamous relationship. They need not get married.

For number two, the divorce rate in Christianity is far higher than the divorce rate for any other group of people, religous or not. Maybe Christiany's proved that marriage isn't the best model for a family.

And number three, as far as I know, isn't even in the Bible. There's no verse saying or even implying that marriage is a "picture of God's relationship with His people". This is a made up thing that came outside of the Bible.


Trust me, I'm not advocating sex before marriage, just pointing out that there's no objective reason to follow it. When sex laws first came about, the motivation behind it, as someone already said, were out of practical reasons, such as unwanted pregnancy, disease, etc, not of any real moral objectivity; why else do you think there was no penalty for men sleeping around, yet women were stoned?
 
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It is a word that can be applied to both sexes. If you think of women when that word is used you might want to look at yourself to see why your mind makes that connection.

Because 99% of the time it's used, it refers to women or teenage girls, and because the catch-22 of "If you don't, you're a frigid b****; if you do, you're a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]," has been a major source of teenage girl neurosis for most of the past century.

All the reasons you mentioned as to why [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tyness is/can be bad also should explain why not being promiscuous can be or is considered good by some people.

You can be manipulative without sleeping around. Poor body image manifests itself in many ways. What I said is that those things are bad, and that having multiple partners can be a part of those things.

I also specifically said, though, that having multiple partners can be downright good, and healthy. I have a close friend who is declining committed relationships because, right now, being free to "play" with anybody she wants, NSA, is really healthy for her. I agree 100%, and watching her grow and gain confidence right now is a beautiful thing.
 
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It all looks like a bunch of gobbledygook to me.
 
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What makes [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tyness immoral?

Can you answer your own question?

I don't know that I think [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]iness is inherently immoral. Convince me.
 
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And number three, as far as I know, isn't even in the Bible. There's no verse saying or even implying that marriage is a "picture of God's relationship with His people". This is a made up thing that came outside of the Bible.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish" (Ephesians 5:25-27).
 
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No one likes a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]

But in all seriousness, there's a ridiculous double standard going on as far as virginity is concerned. It's entirely sexist. If you are a man, virginity will get you laughed at, if you are a woman, not so much. Of course there's variation, I personally think primitive chauvinistic social mores should be abandoned altogether, and no one should be judged for their sexuality weather they've had sex with one partner or ten.
 
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What about the people she is playing with? Is thier confidence growing as quickly as your friends? Could you explain your version of NSA, not really a concept I understand. Does she draw up NSA contracts before she jumps into bed? I'm curious that's all, maybe you can TEACH me something about relationships, non-committal ones that is?
 
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I don't think virginity is respected in the U.S. Obviously men who are virgins are ridiculed, demeaned, joked about and are viewed as sad and pathetic. Women it's a bit more tricky, if a female wants to remain a virgin she won't be publicly humiliated like a man would be, but i don't know if that garners them any respect.
 
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Cool, an enviroment of love and support and trust as you describe it is not really NSA so thanks for the detailed response.
 
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i don't, agree with what you say.
 
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i don't, agree with what you say.
I'm confused. You don't agree that STD's are a concern? You don't agree that Biblical culture had an emphasis on family? Or you don't agree that God created marriage to be a picture of His relationship with humanity? Maybe you don't agree that someone making a choice and then sticking to it (perseverance) in the face of difficulty is grounds for respect?
Rachel
 
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Generally speaking, outside of marriage, the word for non-virgin starts with s and rhymes with 'gut' IIRC.
 
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Generally speaking, outside of marriage, the word for non-virgin starts with s and rhymes with 'gut' IIRC.

YDRC.

The term you bring up refers to someone who is promiscuous and, generally, not very discriminating in their choice of sexual partner, not just someone who engages in sex outside of marriage. If sex outside of marriage was all it took, over 90% of us would be "sguts."
 
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TYFAWM.

I think you're going by the low standard, low quality post Sexual Revolution definition. A lot of people these days do meet that definition. Definitely a case of moving the goalposts. I remember a friend telling me about racial attitudes in China. "We're not racist," they say. "It's just that people are different, so you have to treat them differently". Another example is when on campus there would be showing claiming that one in four women has been raped. Never mind that they stretched the definition of what rape is to include women who spread their legs for some stranger and then regretted it the next day.
 
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